EP45-UD3P n00b needs tips

Dadofamunky

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I've just rebuilt my system around a REAL motherboard, and wanted to hear from other EP45-UD3P users about their experiences OCing duals and quads, particularly some of the CPU/FSB voltage settings that I'm not too familiar with beyond the VCORE. (I'm just starting out with this board and am tweaking as I speak.) I only have a 420 FSB at this point and feel I could go much higher. However, I know the 10x multi is not the way to go if I want to shoot for higher FSB rates. Presently, Prime fails at 1.296V with the settings below. RAM is at 2.1V, and the EIST and C1E are turned off.

This board is a tweaker's dream. What magic settings have you had that enabled you to unlock every single MHz of speed from your CPU?
 

Dadofamunky

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A few other observations:

1) this board DEFINITELY does not like the 9.5 multi.
2) the 9x470 multi-x-FSB settings boot Windows just fine but crash out of Prime immediately. I can raise my VCORE but I'm not sure I really want to go too far with that. Curious about which memory settings might help promote a stable higher FSB, since I supposedly have DDR2-1000 memory.
3) My CPU might have a ceiling. I was never able to get it to run stably beyond 4.15 GHz in its previous setup; that appears to be the case now as well, as I'm running Prime successfully at 10x415. An overnight run is next.
4) 39C idle, 56-60C under load.
 
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Nine times out of ten, it's the memory that holds you back. Plus, I think those boards like low voltage memory. I'm not saying to lower your voltage beyond spec though. If you can find a JEDEC 'figure' through CPU-z with your current ram, give it a try. I remember doing countless Memtest86 passes, p95 passes at 500fsb with a low multi and my DDR2 1000 kit. And then 4 months later after the system was pulled I put it back in and it was never stable. I think memory is very prone to failing and that may be your problem.

I used the 2.00B divider while at 400fsb and the rest of my settings on auto for 3.4Ghz and the vcore was auto'd at 1.28v on my Q9550

Let me see if I can dig up my old overclocking guide.... Ah, ok, revised. Here it is:

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Make sure you have the latest bios first of all.

Now, if you have all dimm slots occupied it will be alot harder running high fsb for something like 4Ghz... my 4Ghz is done by 500fsb by an 8 multi. I am running 2x2 & DDR2 1000 so I don't have to worry about hitting a memory wall when trying to overclock; thus 500fsb is my max without overclocking the ram. My Q9550 was almost near the Intel vcore max. In bios it was at 1.375 but with vdroop it drooped to a steady 1.34v.

First I would drop your multi to 6 and run Memtest HCI (500% or more) to see if your ram is stable at 1:1 ratio. So say if you have DDR 900 then 450fsb would be 1:1 and DDR 800 would be 400fsb at 1:1 and so on. This way you test to see if your memory isn't the problem. Mine was 6mulit x 500fsb = 3Ghz in windows. This way I knew there wasn't so much pressure on the CPU and RAM there-by isolating the motherboards subsystem. This is where you test the NB. I've switched to LinX and Super PI for testing stablitly. You can still use p95 for testing the NB by running Large FFTs.

A few settings I had:
**Clock Chip Control**
CPU Host Freq - 500fsb
PCI Express - 100

**DRAM Performance Control**
Performance Enhance - (I would keep yours at standard until you get a stable OC then play with this)
System Memory Multi - I was using 2.00D

>>> Standard Timing Control
Manually set these to the Memorys factory settings (mine were 5.5.5.15)

>>> CPU ***ALL OF YOURS IN THIS AREA MAY VARY FROM MINE***
Load-Line Calibration AKA LLC - Enabled
CPU Vcore - 1.37500v
CPU Termination 1.320v


>>> MCH/ICH
MCH Core 1.400v

>>> DRAM
Dram Voltage - 2.080v (my max is 2.1v - try keeping it under the very max)

MANUALLY SET THOSE VOLTAGES AT STOCK FIRST then raise them accordingly. You've eliminated your memory by testing your memory's Max advertised rating so that's when stuff like Vcore, Termination, and MCH Core come into play. There is a .0500 difference between the Vcore and Termination so try to keep that difference at all times.
You will probably pass Memtest HCI, LinX, Super Pi, & P95 Large FFTs at the lowest multi at your max 1:1 ratio and/or fsb.

So, when you start getting blue screens and or not booting into your OS, that's when you slightly raise those settings. PLL & MCH (MCH is your NB) would be a good place to start if you keep failing your boot or blue screen in any of the stablility testers; also raise your Vcore but keep that Termination at a difference of .0500v

With that, you should keep testing to you reach your OC goal. Be careful not to overheat your chip beyond 70*c on the cores. 70*c is conservative but good advice.


Have Fun and Good Luck!
 

jtisgeek

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I think you will need more v core to get much higher on your cpu.

I have to give my e6300 1.5 volt to get to 4.3 stable.

Also how much ram do you have?

Some boards won't go as high if say your using 4 dims for say 8 gb of memory.

You may want to play with your mch more also mine likes about 1.3 anything over that doesn't seem to help.
 

Dadofamunky

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I think you will need more v core to get much higher on your cpu.

I have to give my e6300 1.5 volt to get to 4.3 stable.

Also how much ram do you have?

Some boards won't go as high if say your using 4 dims for say 8 gb of memory.

You may want to play with your mch more also mine likes about 1.3 anything over that doesn't seem to help.

that's the thing, I don't want to feed excessive voltage to my Wolfdale. Your E6300 is an older CPU with a somewhat higher VCORE limit. Also, I've cut my RAM back from 8 to 4 GB for that reason. I'm going to be experimenting some more; BTRY above had some good tips.
 

jtisgeek

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Good luck let us know what you find out.

4.2 is a good OC I don't really think you will get much more without raising v core. Both are cpu's are wolf dale mine is a r0 I believe not to big of difference in age.

I had a e8400 in the same board before only did a little over 3.8 so still depends on the cpu.
 

Shmee

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you may have to up the MCH vcore (northbridge) to get the 8 GB stable, or even 4 GB with a high FSB oc. I believe the most important voltages on my friends UD3P's is the vcore of course and then NB voltage. Of course he has 8 GB of RAM and a Q9650 at 4.2.

I have heard that FSB VTT is not so important to raise, and rather you shouldnt very much, that is with penryn's. Certainly shouldnt need much on this board.

If I were you I would focus more on researching values for NB voltage and memory dividers for your board. If you can, for ease, you may want to run RAM at 1:1, that should give you under 1000 MHz DDR.

I will contact faxon and see if he can help, he has 2 of these boards :D

And yes, get the latest bios.
 

Dadofamunky

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Thanks Shmee, I appreciate that. Which Fry's does Faxon work at?

I now suspect my RAM - I tried out 6x470 per BTRY above, with conservative timings and recommended voltage, and the system couldn't finish booting. Both pairs of sticks show the same behavior. I do find that 10x400 with 4-5-5-12 works fine and passes Prime testing (for as long as I've had time to test it thus far), but 10x420, which I still have in my sig, does not.

This RAM is underperforming, but at least I can get CAS 4 timings at 400 FSB. At this point I can either get a better pair of DDR2-1066 sticks (costing me about $100) or sit tight with this config. One gets spoiled rotten with this ocing stuff for sure. Now we take for granted the ability to cobble together such disparate parts and routinely get a 4 GHz system. If I decide to shoot for higher FSB speeds in a couple weeks I'll probably plump for the RAM, because it's cheap fun, but damn this thing is zippy now no matter what. At some point I'm going to run a full Memtest session but it's no fun tying up what is now my only computer for a 24-hour memory test when I can watch Mad Men in hi-def with my spouse.

I will say, the Gigabyte board is superb. It runs rings around the uATX board I was running with this chipperage before. Everything runs superbly and my video/audio skipping problems are a thing of the past.
 

Shmee

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hey, faxon works at the Palo Alto Frys. Also, it may not be just the memory, or at all. It may be you need more northbridge voltage. Having an unstable NB could be causing you problems. I seem to remember he had to raise his quite a bit cuz he had 8 GB ram and a Q9650 at 4.2 :D
 

jtisgeek

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Yeah the overclocking bug is hard to overcome, You won't see much gain going to the 1066 ram ddr2 is dieing.
You are better off saving the money for down the line but i know it's hard to stop. Good luck():)
 

Dadofamunky

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Palo Alto Fry's is just down the road from where I now work! At least SOMEONE there knows what he's talking about. Gives me another reason to go down there in a couple weeks. And the fact is, Windows 7 32-bit flies on this thing at a round 4 GHz. It's why I decided against going 64-bit. I simply don't need 8 GB of RAM.

And yes, it is an addiction. Hiding in back alleys and making shady deals for computer parts that are verified to OC like mad. OK, Starbucks' and Denny's parking lots then (more typical of Silicon Valley). Madness, I tell you!
 
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