Entry level 3D printer recommendation?!

nisryus

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So my son will be starting Secondary next year. One of the requirement is that every student must create or join at least one afterschool club. He and his best friend want to start a 3D printing/CAD club, to showcase their CAD concept and design. (The school wants the students to be able to demonstrate idea, concept, step by step design process, a planner, and final product and an exhibition at the end of the year)

I saw in the other thread
https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/whats-the-best-3d-printer-for-less-than-500.2468543/

when researching Amazon, I came across
https://www.amazon.com/XYZprinting-...uide-20&ascsubtag=site:tgus|tid:1491426062628

Does anyone has any sub $500 3D printer that would produces acceptable result? Wife wants below $300 so the XYZprinting is very appealing...

His best friend's parent do not want her to join a 3D club, but rather a tap dancing club (!!???), so they won't be contributing any money. =/

Thanks in advance.
 

Linux23

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Good topic. I'm looking at the reviews for that printer you linked. They seem to have terrible customer service but the product is reasonably priced.
 
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If you live in a more urban area, you probably have a makerspace you could join. That would keep you from having to spend on equipment right away. It also might put you in contact with people who are upgrading/replacing their printer(s) and are amenable towards giving a price break to a kid. 😀

The thing about the lower-cost 3D printers is that they often do the "Ink Cartridge" thing and use proprietary filament. It can cost a lot more in the mid-to-long term to keep a less expensive machine running.

The da Vinci Mini prints only with XYZprinting’s non-toxic PLA filament, which has gone through various tests to ensure that it is DEHP-free and Heavy Metal-free for your safety, assorted Color filaments

The XYZPrinting stuff is apparently $24.99 per 600g spool. I buy at Microcenter when their generic stuff is on sale, and usually pay <$20/kg for generic ($15 last time). Sometimes you can hack them to work with the generic (cheap!) stuff, but I don't know that I'd want to even go there.

Personally, I have a Printrbot Simple Metal, which uses generic filament. The base model has a 6x6x6" build area and you can get a used one on eBay for under $500. I've been very happy with mine.
 

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People seem to like the monoprice select mini. I just got a Anet A8 for $165, but wouldn't recommend unless you like to tinker.

Been playing with Fusion360, so you may want to download that and let him start playing with design.
 
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Yeah, I'm not finding anybody with anything bad to say about the MonoPrice - that might be the one to get. Build area's relatively large too.

For parts design, I've been going the FreeCAD route with good results. :shrug:
 

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People seem to like the monoprice select mini. I just got a Anet A8 for $165, but wouldn't recommend unless you like to tinker.

I have the same recommendation against any sort of kit builds. I did buy one, and I'm still tinkering with it to get it exactly where I want. My main complaint is that while they're fairly cheap -- keep in mind that you still have to build the entire thing and install the software/firmware -- that does mean that they tend to cheap out on the parts. I've already replaced the controller (RAMPS v1.4 -> RADDS v1.5), the stepper motors and the power supply.

One of my other issues is that I tend to be picky about getting things neat. The kit has a ton of wires going every which way, and wasn't all that great about detailing the best way to route them. Keep in mind these kits are probably bulk bought from Alibaba, and as you'd expect, the directions aren't that great. Since I swapped controllers, that made it even worse as there isn't a predefined way to mount my new controller, so I've been looking into ways to mount everything beneath it. It's been quite the hassle!

Honestly, the only reason why I even went with a kit is because it had the biggest build area that I could find as all the dimensions are over 200mm.
 

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I have the Monoprice MP Mini Select V1 and V2. I recommend the V1 right now because the newer version has a bunch of issues that should not be there for a second version.

I started right out of the box with the V1. I've had a few issues but those were fixable and it made me learn the system instead of treating it like a toaster.

The V1s should be back in stock soon.
 

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$300 for a well rated printer with a 8x8x7 area sounds pretty awesome.

I would get one if I didn't already spend 8 hours a day doing surface and solid modeling at work... And if I could think of enough useful things to make it worth the money.
 

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I was disappointed with my kit, and I decided to purchase a Monoprice Select Plus. I liked that it had the electronics built in rather than being in a separate box, and the touch screen was a nice piece. Unfortunately, my unit's heat bed would never heat up, but that was actually a good thing as the Plus is just not worth it. The software build for the Plus is just so limited in compared to other units. I couldn't even find an option to choose custom temperatures -- I had to use the built-in Preheat PLA or Preheat ABS option. I ended up returning that unit to Amazon, and I purchased the Select V2. To note, it's actually the V2.1, which contains a fix for a potential fire hazard and has the knurled knobs for bed leveling.

Although, speaking of bed leveling... ugh... I hate it. I don't know if I'm just bad at it, but I've had a hell of a time trying to do it. I'm trying to print out the Z-brace mod, but even a small piece like the front corner is slightly off level. (It'll rock side to side a slight bit.) I even purchased the thicker heat bed carriage upgrade, but it hasn't helped much in leveling. (My Select Plus had a noticeably bent heat bed carriage that made it impossible to level.) I think part of it is the whole subjective nature of leveling where they say to take a piece of printer paper and slide it under the extruder and raise/lower the bed until you feel a slight bit of resistance when pulling on the paper. The problem for me is... what constitutes a "slight bit of resistance"? Although, maybe my issue could be with the Z-Axis being off on one side and not the bed? I've tested the Z-Axis a few times, and it seems fine though.

I've performed a few other upgrades to the unit so far. I have the all-metal hotend as well as an upgraded extruder lever + extruder plate. While I still cannot get properly level prints, I did see a noticeable improvement in print quality after these upgrades. I see a lot less stringing between gaps and there are far less bumps. In the past, I needed to sand/file my parts a bit, but now, I barely have to do it at all. To be fair, I did also switch from Cura to Splic3r, which could have affected it too.

I've got a few upgrades in the pipeline too. My next one is going to be a replacement of the Melzi board with a RADDS v1.5 setup. The biggest reason why I want to do that is that the Melzi board lacks any open pins, and I'd like to use a BLTouch. With the BLTouch, I can have the 3D printer test multiple points on the bed for its height variation and adjust the Z-axis accordingly during the print process. During this upgrade, I decided to replace a few other parts. I'm going to an aluminum bed + silicon heater setup, and also upgrading the V2 to 24V. I'll be using a Mean Well EPP-400-24 PSU, which unlike most 3D printer PSUs, it's an open bench setup. So, I can provide my own far quieter fan.

The biggest change that I'm looking to make is to get rid of the annoying tethered nature of the Select V2. I'm still thinking about using a separate box, but I'd like to use some connectors so I can disconnect it when necessary. The hardest choice so far has been trying to determine what to use as a good power plug as I want to ensure that the plug can handle enough amperage to not be dangerous. (Undersized connectors and/or wires can and have caused fires with 3D printers!) Right now, I'm looking at using this Anderson PowerpolePak connector. It'll let me handle both the heated bed and heat cartridge over the same connection. The current plan is to build something similar to the original box, so while it sounds a bit tacky, I was considering using a medium-ish sized toolbox!
 
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The biggest change that I'm looking to make is to get rid of the annoying tethered nature of the Select V2.

If I'm understanding you correctly when you say "tethered" I think you might want to look into Raspberry Pis running Octoprint.
 

nisryus

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Just an update, we ended up getting the Da Vinci Mini, cause wife likes the style and color (😵).. So far it is ok. Just finished building a space marine mini figure. Not the best quality but it is ok for school project.
 

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If I'm understanding you correctly when you say "tethered" I think you might want to look into Raspberry Pis running Octoprint.

I do have Octoprint running, which is great. I've noticed a couple weird little things about it, but once you get used to it, it's pretty indispensable! I've been tempted to just build it into my "toolbox idea" rather than have it sit outside. 😛

But what I mean by tethered is that the Select V1/V2 is really two pieces: the 3D printer and the control box. The two pieces are stuck together because the cabling going between them isn't modular at all. I'm considering either making it modular on the control box side or both sides. The prior would be significantly less work as there really isn't much surface area on the 3D printer side to mount plugs and such. So, I'd have to come up with some system to give me that room -- probably an extension off the back.