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Enterprise 3x24 ZERO HOUR (5/26/04) THIS WILL CONTAIN MEGA SPOILERS. DO NOT READ!

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Originally posted by: MisterYu
If Enterprise got thrown back in time, wouldn't they have detected differences in the positions of the stars to indicate a shift in time?
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not in an hour show they wouldn;t😀
 
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: MisterYu
If Enterprise got thrown back in time, wouldn't they have detected differences in the positions of the stars to indicate a shift in time?
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not in an hour show they wouldn;t😀
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I found that kind of strange. In every other Star Trek episode, that's one of the first things they notice.

Whatever happened to the Suluban?
 
You'd think the Auquatic Xindi would notice something and send them a msg. I mean they *just* turned around and probably went into the subspace vortex. If Enterprise paid attention they could probably send a subspace msg. That whole ending was just too WTF for me. I figured the Andorians would be there waiting with Archer. And the alien species at the end? Nazis? I mean PLEASE. I'm dling the ep off BT right now and am going to watch it again when it finishes to make sure I didn't miss something. Because I feel really stupid right now, even though I know it's probably the show's fault.
 
Originally posted by: MisterYu
If Enterprise got thrown back in time, wouldn't they have detected differences in the positions of the stars to indicate a shift in time?
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They didn't get thrown back in time. The time did not change. The timeline did! At least for Earth.. Xindis knew nothing about Earth prior to their contact from the Guardians and meeting up with Archer. For them, that experience still exists. But they had no further contact with Humans or Vulcans or Andorians up till that point so they would not notice anything has changed.

Andorians, however, would notice the difference. At least for Shran. He made first contact with humans through Archer. If Shran had radioed back to Andoria stating, "We just kicked the Reptilian Xindi's ass for the Humans, General". The General would reply back, "Humans, who the hell are they?"
Perhaps something of this scene will come up next season but I find it odd that Shran just left the system without saying anything.
 
Current date on Enterprise is February 14th, 2154. I'm trying to find somewhere online to cross check the date of the Romulan war. I read, third hand, that it was in fact, 2154, but I'm trying to confirm it.

Ok, I've confirmed that the Romulan war was in 2160.
 
I think it looks Reman, I just don't see where on earth they'll go with this. Is that really earth? Is it a holodeck simulation? Do those humans not notice the Reman? Do they have holo technology than can 'disguise' them? Why is WWII going on in 2154? Did Enterprise somehow get sucked back in time at some point? What interest do the Remans have with Earth? Maybe I'm way off on my Trek stuff, but I thought the Remans were basicly only mentioned in context until Insurrection. A Romulan I can understand a little more, but why Reman?

I'm pretty psyched about next season. Looks like it's off to a good start so far.
 
I'm thinking the Remans were somehow more influential during pre-TOS. I'm picking at straws here, but Spock specifically mentions that nobody ever saw a Romulan before the TOS episode Balance of Power. This could in fact be true, but many people could have saw Remans during the Romulan-Earth war. Remans are supposedly fierce warriors, making Klingons look like a pet dog. The Romulan-Earth war was supposed a very very big war, with Earth even having been invaded. It makes sense that the troops were Reman, and not Romulan.

Another issue is how in Nemesis Picard and crew have a very stunned look on their face when the Remans are mentioned. It's as if Picard knew who they were only from a history textbook.
 
I really enjoyed everything till the ending.

The whole timeline/time travel thing just gets old.

Why is it always Nazi's?, Couldn't it be the Japanese just once?
 
Vegetation, are you sure about earth being invaded? I thought in TOS, Spock specificly commented that the war was fought through primitive space craft, and neither side ever actually saw the other.
 
Originally posted by: Aftermath
Vegetation, are you sure about earth being invaded? I thought in TOS, Spock specificly commented that the war was fought through primitive space craft, and neither side ever actually saw the other.
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It's conjecture. But I always thought it made more sense that the war was huge, costing the lives of many many people, far more than just a few starships could hold. Earth/Federation set up outpost stations all along the border for over one hundred years, even with no activity. That's a whole lot of resources to devote if your enemy only threw a few match sticks at you. Apparently, the Federation feared the Romulans as they didn't just talk of power, they could actually kick butt if they were in that position. I always get this feeling from watching the TNG rerun of The Defector.. Also, conjecture holds that the Romulan war was the catalyst for the formation of the Federation. It doesn't make for an enemy to be perceived enough as a major threat for all major powers to come together if all they did was nuke a few of our starships. The part where no Romulan was ever seen bothers me too. If only space fought battles were in place, this would seem odd. Ground troops would divert the need for Earthlings to really want to see a Romulan though.
 
I got the files. I began to download one but we had a bad lightning storm up here in CT so I gave up until now.....
 
Whoa. I just watched it now cause I couldn't last night. Crazy ending.

I don't think Enterprise actually went back in time though. Maybe someone else did and prolonged WWII or something. I dunno.
 
They wouldn't be flying Mustags if that were the case. I dunno... that ending was kinda 'WTF Mate' to me too. But Enterprise was like that from the beginning with the screwed up timelines, and intervention from the far future. My question: Why Nazis?

[Edit] Oh, just a note, let me list people/things trying to destroy humanity before becoming something greater, or generally fsck with the past:
Borg - back with the first warp trial
Q - Oh man, how many times did he take Pickard back? [Pikard? Who'se John Luck Pikard?]
Time traveler in Voyager - One time ship + bad navigation settings = kaboom
Sabateur in Voyager - Yeah, same guy, but he tried TWICE

And there are probably numerous others I forgot.
 
Originally posted by: CombatChuk
Whew, that was just amazing. The last cliffhanger that had me wanting summer to go by was TNG's "The Best of Both Worlds"
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:werd: I just now got to watch it.....FREAKING AWESOME!!! Best episode of Star Trek in a LONG time.
 
Originally posted by: Horus
Originally posted by: Praetor
Originally posted by: ABErickson
That just plain sucked...
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Ditto. Makes me think of Quantum Leap, another Bakula show. It to just kept getting weirder and weirder until they killed the show and put it out of it's misery. Hopefully this won't go the same.
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No joke. I was waiting for it to end with Archer saying "Oh, boy."
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And the amount of laughter from geeks worldwide would shake windows.


Is it me, or did that weird alien guy in the Nazi suit look like a Reman?
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I bet a Reptilian mated with a human somehow.... Maybe he is a Nazi experiment that happens to look similar to a Reman. His ears look different and his nose brindge just a tad different too.
 
Originally posted by: vegetation
Originally posted by: MisterYu
If Enterprise got thrown back in time, wouldn't they have detected differences in the positions of the stars to indicate a shift in time?
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They didn't get thrown back in time. The time did not change. The timeline did! At least for Earth.. Xindis knew nothing about Earth prior to their contact from the Guardians and meeting up with Archer. For them, that experience still exists. But they had no further contact with Humans or Vulcans or Andorians up till that point so they would not notice anything has changed.

Andorians, however, would notice the difference. At least for Shran. He made first contact with humans through Archer. If Shran had radioed back to Andoria stating, "We just kicked the Reptilian Xindi's ass for the Humans, General". The General would reply back, "Humans, who the hell are they?"
Perhaps something of this scene will come up next season but I find it odd that Shran just left the system without saying anything.
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Im guessing that somehow while Enterprise and the Aquatics where in the wormhole.....something happened to change history. While they were in there, they were not effected by this change of the time line. So that would allow for no difference in the time, but a totally altered Earth when they exit the wormhole.
 
Originally posted by: Chadder007
Originally posted by: vegetation
Originally posted by: MisterYu
If Enterprise got thrown back in time, wouldn't they have detected differences in the positions of the stars to indicate a shift in time?
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They didn't get thrown back in time. The time did not change. The timeline did! At least for Earth.. Xindis knew nothing about Earth prior to their contact from the Guardians and meeting up with Archer. For them, that experience still exists. But they had no further contact with Humans or Vulcans or Andorians up till that point so they would not notice anything has changed.

Andorians, however, would notice the difference. At least for Shran. He made first contact with humans through Archer. If Shran had radioed back to Andoria stating, "We just kicked the Reptilian Xindi's ass for the Humans, General". The General would reply back, "Humans, who the hell are they?"
Perhaps something of this scene will come up next season but I find it odd that Shran just left the system without saying anything.
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Im guessing that somehow while Enterprise and the Aquatics where in the wormhole.....something happened to change history. While they were in there, they were not effected by this change of the time line. So that would allow for no difference in the time, but a totally altered Earth when they exit the wormhole.
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If the timeline was affected, wouldn't the disruptions only propagate to the future and not the past? I don't see how destroying the Xindi weapon would delay human history by 200 years.
 
I don't think they travelled back in time. I seriously think this is modern day and the timeline has been affected.

Now as for the Nazi cut scene, well I get the sneaky feeling that Daniels or someone else fuc|<ed up and sent Archer back to WWII in Germany.

NOTE TO PRODUCTION CREW: USE SOME BLOODY SUBTITLES NEXT TIME AND STATE WHAT DATE IT IS.
 
It could be nothing, but there was that scene when Phlox's animals went batty when Enterprise entered the aquatics ship. I can't help but wonder if that scene suggested that something more sinister or serious occured by that docking, something that animals could pick up but people couldn't.
 
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