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Enough of the "cloud" computing crap. ENOUGH!

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spidey07

No Lifer
Oh, I just go to the cloud! What the fuck are you thinking? Just like "I just go to the intarweb and it will take care of it for me!". WTF is wrong with this message? The cloud in computing terms is "I don't know or care WTF is behind it, not my problem or responsibility"

I know "cloud computing" is the big buzzword these days and I'm OK with where it's going in terms of load balancing applications, virtualization and data center bridging to try to eliminate geographical limitations of resources.

This kind of application virtualization has been pushed for over a decade. I feel like we've done this before. Mainframe -> distributed computing -> centralized -> geographically centralized -> geographically distributed.

But just stop this fucking marketing nonsense of "just go to the cloud! It's so easy!"

You know what? Your gmail is geographically distributed with a 2nd tier of central and it's still down. Same with ebay, amazon, all the big sites.
 
Its the way of the future. Accept it.
Rumors are strong the next version of Windows will be pretty much all cloud based.
Competition?
Apple will probably do it too.
And when Google has their OS, they will do it as well.
 
Hrm I don't want some screwball at a data center 1000 miles away from me having access to my system, or some jackoff hacking and taking info.
 
I can pretty much promise that the next version of windows will not be 'cloud based'.. At least not in the way you're thinking.





Real IT people have been doing/trying this for 10+ years. It was and still is a total PITA to manage. I've yet to see a cloud based setup that didn't have TONS upon TONS of backend problems... Everything from 4 weeks to turn on activesync to routing issues that simply never got resolved.


If you run a hard profit center type operation and can accept a drastic service quality loss then by all means, move your mail, sharepoint, etc all to the cloud. Have fun being essentially stuck to one provider for everything and the problems that follow
 
shortylickens said:
Its the way of the future. Accept it.
Rumors are strong the next version of Windows will be pretty much all cloud based.
Competition?
Apple will probably do it too.
And when Google has their OS, they will do it as well.
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Define cloud computing and how it works. IMHO it's a lot of marketing on vmware, google, MS, etc.

This is where I mentioned data center bridging and virtualization. You need serious long distance bandwidth to do that. It can be done and I'm onboard with that.
 
SpatiallyAware said:
I can pretty much promise that the next version of windows will not be 'cloud based'.. At least not in the way you're thinking.





Real IT people have been doing/trying this for 10+ years. It was and still is a total PITA to manage. I've yet to see a cloud based setup that didn't have TONS upon TONS of backend problems... Everything from 4 weeks to turn on activesync to routing issues that simply never got resolved.


If you run a hard profit center type operation and can accept a drastic service quality loss then by all means, move your mail, sharepoint, etc all to the cloud. Have fun being essentially stuck to one provider for everything and the problems that follow
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You must then also remember the promise of "the ASP"! The application service provider! It can do everything!

I think that was 1999.
 
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SpatiallyAware said:
I can pretty much promise that the next version of windows will not be 'cloud based'.. At least not in the way you're thinking.

Real IT people have been doing/trying this for 10+ years. It was and still is a total PITA to manage. I've yet to see a cloud based setup that didn't have TONS upon TONS of backend problems... Everything from 4 weeks to turn on activesync to routing issues that simply never got resolved.

If you run a hard profit center type operation and can accept a drastic service quality loss then by all means, move your mail, sharepoint, etc all to the cloud. Have fun being essentially stuck to one provider for everything and the problems that follow
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This. We're moving some of our operations to an external service provider and it is a PITA. They're unresponsive and generally have no clue how to serve their customers. They're fortunate I'm not in charge or I would've fired them months ago. I can already see the huge amount of problems ahead and when problems arise, it will take 10x as long to fix them. This is why I am seriously considering moving on to another company. If I don't, then I am just going to work in the framework we're given and if problems don't get fixed in a reasonable timeframe, the end user(s) can take it up with management. They wanted it so guess what? They got it and can deal with it.
 
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The ability to use any application and any document from any location has been the holy grail of business forever. Cloud computing allows them to do that, which is why it works. It also saves a lot of money:

- No need to buy in house servers
- Less energy consumption
- Less IT costs
- Less chance of data loss
- convenience
- cross platform compatibility
- no software upgrading

The list goes on and on. Cloud computing is a terrible buzzword, but the concept is right on the money of what people need today.
 
Fritzo said:
The ability to use any application and any document from any location has been the holy grail of business forever. Cloud computing allows them to do that, which is why it works. It also saves a lot of money:

- No need to buy in house servers
- Less energy consumption
- Less IT costs
- Less chance of data loss
- convenience
- cross platform compatibility
- no software upgrading

The list goes on and on. Cloud computing is a terrible buzzword, but the concept is right on the money of what people need today.
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Unless you don't have a network connection ;^)
 
spidey07 said:
Define cloud computing and how it works. IMHO it's a lot of marketing on vmware, google, MS, etc.

This is where I mentioned data center bridging and virtualization. You need serious long distance bandwidth to do that. It can be done and I'm onboard with that.
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Here's how it works in a nutshell- all apps are web based, and stored on central servers. Therefore everything is available from any Internet connection, and in theory you can work from any location. Your information and apps are not tied to a computer, they follow you anywhere you go.
 
lxskllr said:
Unless you don't have a network connection ;^)
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In which case, your information wouldn't be available if you're cloud based or not. If you're cloud based any Internet connection will do. I often joke at work that I could work at home from my Droid---and I probably could (if I had a bluetooth keyboard maybe 😉 )
 
Fritzo said:
In which case, your information wouldn't be available if you're cloud based or not. If you're cloud based any Internet connection will do. I often joke at work that I could work at home from my Droid---and I probably could (if I had a bluetooth keyboard maybe 😉 )
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Well it's one thing to not have access to /some/ information with the way systems are currently setup, but it's a whole other level of fail when you don't have access to /anything/.
 
The Cloud is good, the Cloud is great, we surrender our souls, as of this date!

I also hate that catch phrase though.
 
TheVrolok said:
I don't mind Cloud computing for business applications, but a personal OS should NOT be doing Cloud computing.
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Actually it makes great sense. You just "rent" OS space that is always up to date, has access to all productivity applications you could want for a low price, all your data is (in theory) backed up...and you can log in and use it from virtually any computer that supported the front end of the service.

Consumers get up to date applications and security, that is backed up and providers can almost entirely forget about piracy and bank on monthy rental revenue.
 
Heh, reminds me of the whole knowledge/document/records management craze. The solution is to "put everything on SharePoint." The only problem is that nobody can find the information they are looking for. Companies have shifted from publishing reports and memos to just tossing data back and forth. The result is that companies simply don't know what they have done in the past and are forced to constantly reinvent the wheel and operate inefficiently. It is incredibly frustrating to be asked what research our company has done on X topic and not being able to find ANYTHING because nobody writes reports on their research any more.
 
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Fritzo said:
Here's how it works in a nutshell- all apps are web based, and stored on central servers. Therefore everything is available from any Internet connection, and in theory you can work from any location. Your information and apps are not tied to a computer, they follow you anywhere you go.
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If Microsoft can't get Windows Live to work efficiently and consistently, how can we have any amount in trust that they can get a cloud environment working efficiently?
 
alkemyst said:
ignorant post by ignorant poster.
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More like naive post by arrogant poster. Most people here seem to forget that most of the world has no idea what the internet is capable of beyond sending emails and playing games on Facebook. Microsoft is keenly aware of this fact and they are marketing towards it, pushing people to find new things to do with their computers.
 
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