It's not just a generation it's the first generation of a completely new car. The new beetle was created in 1998 and he purchased his in 1999. Purchasing a car with 1 year of reliability data assumes some risks. He's bitching that he has problems after 100k. Now how many 1998 VWs had 100k in 1999?
Oh gimmee a break he does not even drive the thing? Mommy could not pick me up from soccer practice because the car was in the shop? How about his mom posts and tell us how she likes the car.
And I did address the point, why don't you read GENIUS?
DON"T BUY A VW IF IT IS NOT MADE IN GERMANY
If you did buy a south american, mexican VW after reading that reliability data I take no pitty on your moans and groans because the car that everyone said was going to fall apart fell apart.
Gosh I wish VW gave those POSs a different name.
B1tching about problems after 100k? Did you even read his last thread? Obviously not. he had 2 tranny replacements BEFORE 100k. God knows what else went wrong with that thing beforehand. I don't give a sh!t what car manufacturer that is, that's horse sh!t. Oh and your point, regardless of first/second year reliability concerns, there shouldn't be so many problems that the car is basically worth nothing after less than 5 years. Sure you take a risk but it doesn't speak good about the manufacturer.
It might be made in Mexico but it still carries the VW badge. How many people who purchased those POS Beetles will ever buy another VW based off their experiences? NONE.
I know DIRECTLY three friends who had VW Jettas 2000+ Models and they are POS. I can state that without any qualms. They get more issues then the people I know with Focus and Hyundai cars. And the only one I know who had an Audi Quattro hated the damn thing because it was in the shop so much he would forget how to drive it sometimes.
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To be more specific,
On the Jetta1, AC compressor fails continuously. Coils? Replaced twice I dont know what they are but it was expensive.
Jetta 2 and three both had electrical systems failing. Its freaky getting into one of the cars because sometimes the dash light conk out. They blow through bulbs like crazy, half the time I see the Jettas they have a blown out tail light.
The Audi had serious issues with the AWD transmission. It seized a lot and the electrical system was bad because most of the gauges in the Audi are digital readout and they were always reading out wrong. He sold it back to the dealer as a lemon and bought a Porsche 911 brand new, now that is a POS! But that is another story.
Edit-
To be more specific,
On the Jetta1, AC compressor fails continuously. Coils? Replaced twice I dont know what they are but it was expensive.
Jetta 2 and three both had electrical systems failing. Its freaky getting into one of the cars because sometimes the dash light conk out. They blow through bulbs like crazy, half the time I see the Jettas they have a blown out tail light.
The Audi had serious issues with the AWD transmission. It seized a lot and the electrical system was bad because most of the gauges in the Audi are digital readout and they were always reading out wrong. He sold it back to the dealer as a lemon and bought a Porsche 911 brand new, now that is a POS! But that is another story.
Lithium381
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I have a 1991 vw and it runs great, sure it has had some problems over the years but so does every car. I love vw.
I didn't know that Mexico had broken free from the North American continent and drifted to join the neighboring continent to the south. I guess there's no use for that Panama canal anymore.
(Unless you were refering to both Brazil and Mexico. It wasn't clear.)
VW's are THE middle-class cars to own in Europe. My dad has had two Golfs, he owned the first one (3rd generation Golf) for 5 years, drove it pretty agressively, put well over 100 thousand kms in it, and the car had no major problems (if I remember correctly). The second one is just as good (4th generation Golf), it handles like a dream, a lot of fun to drive. Golfs or Ventos (another VW model) are known for their reliability in Europe. German cars are synonymous with quality. Interestingly enough, people are generally very suspicious of Japanese cars.
Too bad the Mexican VW factory cannot get their act together. Giving themselves a really bad reputation...
Too bad the Mexican VW factory cannot get their act together. Giving themselves a really bad reputation...
I reply to this thread not because of the problems with my former VW because any car can break, but because of the absolutley awful handling of by anyone working for VW.
We owned a new model Passat purchased the year after they came out. One day pulling on to the street from a driveway the motor stopped. Fortunately we owned a standard so my wife clutched it and coasted into the next drive. Long story short, the top end of one of the cylanders had completely dropped all its valves into the cylander.
The first thing the dealer tried to tell my wife was that it was the starter. Yep, the starter caused it to suddenly stop running. Then the geniuses decided it was the timing belt, hmm...getting warmer. Then they finally replaced the top end, but oops forgot to refinish the heads and it failed. So they replaced it again, but wouldn't you know they really didn't know how to rebuild the top ends onthe five valve system so they screwed it up and it failed again. Oh well, do it agian, but oops, no more top ends in Houston, have to get it from Dallas. After a conversation with the service manager come to find out no one in Houston was certified to do the work so they did it by video conference with a master mechanic in Dallas. Uh, ok.
So we're moving shortly thereafter and I call VW corporate to request some sort of assurance that they will stand by me after all the buffoonary getting this major repair done. In short their answer was no, and they really didn't care that their dealer was incompetent either. It was an astounding call.
So bye bye VW. No other manufacturer today treats customers with such arrogant disregard.
Caveat Emptor
We owned a new model Passat purchased the year after they came out. One day pulling on to the street from a driveway the motor stopped. Fortunately we owned a standard so my wife clutched it and coasted into the next drive. Long story short, the top end of one of the cylanders had completely dropped all its valves into the cylander.
The first thing the dealer tried to tell my wife was that it was the starter. Yep, the starter caused it to suddenly stop running. Then the geniuses decided it was the timing belt, hmm...getting warmer. Then they finally replaced the top end, but oops forgot to refinish the heads and it failed. So they replaced it again, but wouldn't you know they really didn't know how to rebuild the top ends onthe five valve system so they screwed it up and it failed again. Oh well, do it agian, but oops, no more top ends in Houston, have to get it from Dallas. After a conversation with the service manager come to find out no one in Houston was certified to do the work so they did it by video conference with a master mechanic in Dallas. Uh, ok.
So we're moving shortly thereafter and I call VW corporate to request some sort of assurance that they will stand by me after all the buffoonary getting this major repair done. In short their answer was no, and they really didn't care that their dealer was incompetent either. It was an astounding call.
So bye bye VW. No other manufacturer today treats customers with such arrogant disregard.
Caveat Emptor
My VW kicks ass.
Although it didn't when I bought it.
Then I got a job as a VW Mechanic, and NOW it works JUST fine!
But then I've re built it several times over.
Although it didn't when I bought it.
Then I got a job as a VW Mechanic, and NOW it works JUST fine!
But then I've re built it several times over.
deerslayer
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Sounds reasonable.
On the other hand, I can vouch that my 1998 Cavalier is a piece of sh!t. And what the hell were they thinking when they decided where to put the oil filter? :|
On the other hand, I can vouch that my 1998 Cavalier is a piece of sh!t. And what the hell were they thinking when they decided where to put the oil filter? :|
OS
Lifer
- Oct 11, 1999
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If you are going to rip on ricers, you best be speaking from the first-person point of view or your opinion means very little.
"My friends slammed civic is a POS, you should have seen it!" <----- NO.
"I saw an integra with altezzas+clear corners pulled over at the side of the freeway. Must be those electrical problems." <----- NO.
"I know a mechanic that works on nothing but domestics who says..." <----- NO.
"My neighbour has a CRX w/ body kit and it's in the shop . . .getting a motor swap..." <-----NO.
"I read in Stuff magazine that the editors ashtray cover broke." <----- NO.
"I drive a rice rocket and it's hella slow" <----- YES!
If you are going to run your mouth about how bad ricers are, please PLEASE have firsthand experience. Otherwise, kindly STFU and move along.
"My friends slammed civic is a POS, you should have seen it!" <----- NO.
"I saw an integra with altezzas+clear corners pulled over at the side of the freeway. Must be those electrical problems." <----- NO.
"I know a mechanic that works on nothing but domestics who says..." <----- NO.
"My neighbour has a CRX w/ body kit and it's in the shop . . .getting a motor swap..." <-----NO.
"I read in Stuff magazine that the editors ashtray cover broke." <----- NO.
"I drive a rice rocket and it's hella slow" <----- YES!
If you are going to run your mouth about how bad ricers are, please PLEASE have firsthand experience. Otherwise, kindly STFU and move along.
All my friends own VWs and they had no major problems although I drive an 1996 Audi A4 with 90k miles with a very minor radiator leak...
aircooled
Lifer
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Drove my 76 VW Bus cross country 5 years ago and it still runs great today. Only trouble it's had was with the starter, but any 25 year old starter could be trouble.
The mid-70's through mid/late-80's front engine VW's seem to be particulary problematic, and I've never liked the Rabbit/Golf until the 90's models (A3 I beleive.).
The mid-70's through mid/late-80's front engine VW's seem to be particulary problematic, and I've never liked the Rabbit/Golf until the 90's models (A3 I beleive.).
Pliablemoose
Lifer
- Oct 11, 1999
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Gotta love this thread
My dad owned a 76' Rabbit, first generation VW front driver imported into the US, it averaged a recall every 2 months. My favorite defect was when VW figured out the carb got so hot that it vaporlocked. I remember one trip where we'd drive 30 miles, the carb would vaporlock, we'd sit & let it cool, start it again & do the whole routine over.
I've owned an 80's diesel Rabbit & have an 02' TDI Golf, they've been pretty trouble free.
I also get a kick out of seeing the different reports of troubles with the Beetle/Golf/Jetta.
They're essentially the same vehicle, but have vastly different reports of owner satisifaction. I think US owners/buyers are dumb as a box of rocks and it shows in the satisifaction surveys because Beetle owners bitch constantly about their cars, while Golf & Jetta owners are more satisified.
My wife's 02' TDI hasn't seen the shop in 1.5 years, (since the day we bought it). I do my own oil/filter changes...
My dad owned a 76' Rabbit, first generation VW front driver imported into the US, it averaged a recall every 2 months. My favorite defect was when VW figured out the carb got so hot that it vaporlocked. I remember one trip where we'd drive 30 miles, the carb would vaporlock, we'd sit & let it cool, start it again & do the whole routine over.
I've owned an 80's diesel Rabbit & have an 02' TDI Golf, they've been pretty trouble free.
I also get a kick out of seeing the different reports of troubles with the Beetle/Golf/Jetta.
They're essentially the same vehicle, but have vastly different reports of owner satisifaction. I think US owners/buyers are dumb as a box of rocks and it shows in the satisifaction surveys because Beetle owners bitch constantly about their cars, while Golf & Jetta owners are more satisified.
My wife's 02' TDI hasn't seen the shop in 1.5 years, (since the day we bought it). I do my own oil/filter changes...
But they sure do have nice fabs!!
http://www.glaesernemanufaktur.de
I agree though, their cars sucks!!!
http://www.glaesernemanufaktur.de
I agree though, their cars sucks!!!
I have a 2001 Passat v6.
Aside of an oil leak problem after 30k miles (caused by --->), it has been fine. One time, my front right tire hit a huge boulder on the freeway that fell off a truck. It destroyed the rim and made a huge vibration/collision noise to the whole frame of the car.
Despite that HIT, the car doesn't squeak at all!! A testament to traditional German "made from one piece of metal" engineering!
I have 55k miles on it and drives better than late 90's BMW.
My Suggestion When Buying a Car:
+++ Don't ever buy the first year version of a model. If you know anything about companies (ANY company), first versions are rush jobs with bugs. What 2-3 years of a model. In this manner, they have the necessary time to work out the kinks.
+++ Do your research in car mags and reliability reports.
+++ Try to buy a used car. New car prices plummet once it leaves the lot. That's a lot of cash. Many owners of German cars are meticulous in their care. You'll be able to find a VERY nice used car at a great price!
+++ Any car can be a lemon. "Monday cars" are cars made on a Monday that are generally lemons. Since car workers come to work with a hangover (especially German workers) and lack of motivation, Monday cars are universally the most scary cars to buy. Check the assembly date of your particular purchase to make sure it's NOT a Monday car.
I HATE generalizations!
VW of the past does NOT equal VW of the present or future.
The same goes with any car mfgr. Cars are assembled by different teams and different factories around the world. Take ALL car purchases with some wisdom to avoid any potential problems.
Don't be a fanboy/hateboy of any make/brand. Take things with a cool head.
Aside of an oil leak problem after 30k miles (caused by --->), it has been fine. One time, my front right tire hit a huge boulder on the freeway that fell off a truck. It destroyed the rim and made a huge vibration/collision noise to the whole frame of the car.
Despite that HIT, the car doesn't squeak at all!! A testament to traditional German "made from one piece of metal" engineering!
I have 55k miles on it and drives better than late 90's BMW.
My Suggestion When Buying a Car:
+++ Don't ever buy the first year version of a model. If you know anything about companies (ANY company), first versions are rush jobs with bugs. What 2-3 years of a model. In this manner, they have the necessary time to work out the kinks.
+++ Do your research in car mags and reliability reports.
+++ Try to buy a used car. New car prices plummet once it leaves the lot. That's a lot of cash. Many owners of German cars are meticulous in their care. You'll be able to find a VERY nice used car at a great price!
+++ Any car can be a lemon. "Monday cars" are cars made on a Monday that are generally lemons. Since car workers come to work with a hangover (especially German workers) and lack of motivation, Monday cars are universally the most scary cars to buy. Check the assembly date of your particular purchase to make sure it's NOT a Monday car.
I HATE generalizations!
VW of the past does NOT equal VW of the present or future.
The same goes with any car mfgr. Cars are assembled by different teams and different factories around the world. Take ALL car purchases with some wisdom to avoid any potential problems.
Don't be a fanboy/hateboy of any make/brand. Take things with a cool head.
I had a VW van & a Sirocco, and they both sucks.
The van didn't have any electrical problem, but oxygen sensor keep failing on it and it was gut less....can't take the thing pass 48 miles/hour over a hill (on the same mountain pass the Saab, Corolla, Taurus & 300M can maintain at least 80 miles/hour).
The Sirocco was a piece of sh!t, because the fuel injection system & electrical is the worst of engineering on this planet.
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