Enjoy the draft!

[ITJunkie]

Originally posted by: Todd33

Originally posted by: bdjohnson

Originally posted by: Infohawk
I'm not sure there will be a draft but it's definitely a possibility. Bush has misled the country numerous times. His promsie to keep the army professional is laughable. Also, if you keep up warmongering, you need to get troops from somewhere...

the proposal has already been submitted to congress

And I assume you followed the vote? Then you know it was an election year gimmick? They took a democrats draft bill that was dead in committee and voted it down on the floor to put on a show for the media. You know this has nothing to do with reality post election? They can make five more draft bills if they want. You know there is a cute cartoon about how a bill becomes a law...

:music: I'm just a bill and I'm sitting here on Capitol Hill :music:

Love that one

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: ZaneNBK
Funny how the democrats (Charles Rangel, D-NY) introduce a draft bill and then use the threat of a draft to scare people away from voting for Bush. Crap like this is why I'm voting third party.

How to put this. The bil lwas introduced becasue the war in Iraq (casued by Bush if you havn't been paying attention) has made it required as a safety net. If Iraq was properly thoguht through, this would never have been needed. But fact of hte matter is that if N Korea or Iran do something stupid we will in fact need a draft since our troops are already spread thin.

It's called being responsible and preparing for hte future. It's why Kerry "voted for the Iraq war" or whatever. He only gave permission, he did not say. OK LET US GO NOW like that egomaniac Bush.

 

[TBone77]

Originally posted by: phantom309

Originally posted by: ZaneNBK
Funny how the democrats (Charles Rangel, D-NY) introduce a draft bill and then use the threat of a draft to scare people away from voting for Bush. Crap like this is why I'm helping an incompetent fool get re-elected, by throwing my vote away on a third party.

I should be fixed.

Fixed.

 

[cwjerome]

The Pentagon doesn't want a draft, the admin doesn't want a draft, the Congress doesn't want a draft, the public doesn't want a draft.... everything else is pure speculation. If we wanted more people in the military there's about 10 things we could do to raise the levels anyway.

 

[DoubleL]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
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posted by: DoubleL

You think our military is laughable, Not professional
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Whhaaa? What kind of bizarre troll is that?


Infohawk says His promsie to keep the army professional is laughable.

So what did you mean, Sounds to me you think the military is laughable and unprofessional

 

[TBone77]

Originally posted by: Todd33
When Bush says he will not have a draft, is that like when he said the military should not be used for nation building?

Does anyone buy his campaign promises, he broke almost all of his from 2000.

Or like how John Kerry said, in hindsight, he would have done the same thing GW did, and then changed his mind when Dean was winning.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: DoubleL

Infohawk says His promsie to keep the army professional is laughable.

So what did you mean, Sounds to me you think the military is laughable and unprofessional

You need reading comprehension tutoring my friend. Seriously. Let me give it a shot:

His promise to keep the army professional is laughable.

What is the subject of that sentence? What is the verb?

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: cwjerome
The Pentagon doesn't want a draft, the admin doesn't want a draft, the Congress doesn't want a draft, the public doesn't want a draft.... everything else is pure speculation. If we wanted more people in the military there's about 10 things we could do to raise the levels anyway.

No one ever want a draft. Wanting the draft is like want you foot to be amputated. Of course when sh!ts the fan you might have no choose but to cut off your foot.

 

[assemblage]

There will be no draft. This is a scare tactic used by Democrats and the Kerry campaign to weaken support for the war in Iraq and the President. Charlie Rangle a Democrat started it by drafting and introducing a bill to restart selective service draft in order to weaken support for the Iraq war. It lingered for over a year until Republicans put it to a vote in order to finally end it's BS. It was defeated and not even Charlie Rangle voted for it. He should be fined for that in my opinion.

The "backdoor draft" is something that Kerry coined to frighten. It really just describes an already established methods to ensure the military has proper coverage of MOS's. It's nothing new and all military people are aware of this before they choose to join. In addition at every boot camp there is a bus that takes people home if they change their mind about the military.

There is no draft there won't be one and the President never said there would be one. Neither did Kerry.

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: TBone77

Originally posted by: Todd33
When Bush says he will not have a draft, is that like when he said the military should not be used for nation building?

Does anyone buy his campaign promises, he broke almost all of his from 2000.

Or like how John Kerry said, in hindsight, he would have done the same thing GW did, and then changed his mind when Dean was winning.

Typical, Bush does something wrong so you attack Kerry.

 

[Tab]

Hiliarous Post, I can't beileve you people are taking this seriously.

 

[dullard]

I find it entertaining that people are just looking at the latest draft bill and saying it is all one side's fault. Well draft bills come every year it seems. A quick google search had this at the top where a democrat AND a republican were the co-sponsors. Both sides keep bringing it up (yes just the latest 2 or 3 were from a democrat, but if you go back both sides have sponsered them).

 

[TBone77]

Originally posted by: Todd33

Originally posted by: TBone77

Originally posted by: Todd33
When Bush says he will not have a draft, is that like when he said the military should not be used for nation building?

Does anyone buy his campaign promises, he broke almost all of his from 2000.

Or like how John Kerry said, in hindsight, he would have done the same thing GW did, and then changed his mind when Dean was winning.

Typical, Bush does something wrong so you attack Kerry.

No, you missed the point (which you seem to do quite often): My point was that you were being a hypocrit for chastising Bush for changing a stance, when that's something your man has a slight habbit of doing himself.

I fully acknowledge Bush isn't staying true to what he said in 2000. But singling him out for it to make way for Kerry is a joke.

 

[Red Dawn]

n/m

 

[assemblage]

Originally posted by: Tabb
Hiliarous Post, I can't beileve you people are taking this seriously.

A military draft is very serious. It's irresponsible to say there will be when in fact there is no one who even mentioned the word draft except for Democrats in order to scare people, which is also irresponsible.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: oboeguy

Originally posted by: datalink7
BTW... as someone in the actual military... WE DON'T WANT A DRAFT!

That's interesting, thanks. Could you elaborate? (I don't know any military folks very well so I can't ask them)

Well, here's the deal.

If you are in a firefight, who do you want watching your back: Someone who is forced to be there, and really doesn't want to be there, and maybe even doesn't believe in the military at all, or someone who volunteered and is motivated?

I know many people in the military who say that if a draft is initiated, that night they put in for their resignation/retirement.

Hmmm.... why wouldn't they be motivated, why wouldn't they want to be there? Isn't our motives of being there soooooooo noble? If there were an actual threat, not a fake, made-up one, I'm sure that recruiting would be high enough to not have to worry about a draft.

 

[Alistar7]

I think our Govt has the right to make EVERY citizen contribute, even on a military level, and I think they should institute a plan that makes it a requirement.

 

[cwjerome]

Yeah why not? We're just serfs and owe our lives to the whims of our leaders. Ahh, nothing like a fresh breath of totalitarianism.

 

[JoeBaD]

MORON THREAD.

There, I contributed.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: cwjerome
Yeah why not? We're just serfs and owe our lives to the whims of our leaders. Ahh, nothing like a fresh breath of totalitarianism.

We elect our leaders and any concept like what I proposed would be part of the elective process, nothing like that would ever be put into effect without majority approval by the people.


WE ARE OUR LEADERS, and I think we owe it to OURSELVEs and our country to contribute, I certainly feel a debt of gratitude for the fantastic liberty I enjoy....

 

[cwjerome]

OK fine, totalitarianism by mob rule... where 51% of the population can vote our rights away and enslave the other 49% with 'em.

You may feel a debt of gratitude... but I don't feel the government "loaned" us our rights, and that we have to repay this favor by cancelling those rights and forced to die for them. What a weird concept to think the government can force someone into death because we owe it.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: cwjerome
OK fine, totalitarianism by mob rule... where 51% of the population can vote our rights away and enslave the other 49% with 'em.

You may feel a debt of gratitude... but I don't feel the government "loaned" us our rights, and that we have to repay this favor by cancelling those rights and forced to die for them. What a weird concept to think the government can force someone into death because we owe it.

We are the govt, lol, why do you look at them as this separate entity you have no control over, or worse yet, as one that has the power to impose "their" agenda on you without your ability to intervene?
What right would this take away if it were to happen?

 

[cwjerome]

If a majority approves of something, isn't that imposing an agenda? What if the agenda -like the draft- happens to destroy the very right that all others are derived from and establishes the #1 precept for statism? How can I intervene agaisnt the draft, when I'm looking down the barrel of a gun?

Nice of you to play fast and loose with the lives of the public. I guess the old-European peasant mentality that we someone owe our lives to the government and don't have a right to exist for our own sake, is alive and well.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: cwjerome
If a majority approves of something, isn't that imposing an agenda?

If a majority of the people approve of something, then we're the ones who selected that agenda, not some big, faceless government.

 

[cwjerome]

A million people can be just as wrong as 1 person. Right and truth are not determined by a headcount.

I guess everything's swell as long as you're in the majority.