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English only at Philly cheesesteak joint
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halik
Lifer
How about at least try to make the effort? If you want a god damn cheesesteak sub, all you gotta do is say "cheesesteak". I'm multilingual and believe me that word isn't that difficult to say.
I don't see how any of you guys supporting the 'para espanol, aprema numero dos' bulsh!t survive going abroad. When in germany, do you ask them for "turkey with gravy or rather order schnitzel off the menu?
I kinda understand what he means.
I wouldn't expect someone to learn Swedish just to come here as a tourist, which is why I'll glady give directions and such in English.
If someone expects to live here though, I do expect them to learn Swedish, and if I were to move to the US...well bad example since I'm already fairly decent at English, but if I were to move to something like...Germany, I'd surely make the effort to learn German as fast as possible, it's just commin courtesy imo.
I wouldn't expect someone to learn Swedish just to come here as a tourist, which is why I'll glady give directions and such in English.
If someone expects to live here though, I do expect them to learn Swedish, and if I were to move to the US...well bad example since I'm already fairly decent at English, but if I were to move to something like...Germany, I'd surely make the effort to learn German as fast as possible, it's just commin courtesy imo.
Starbuck1975
Lifer
Distinction...tourists typically make an effort to speak in the native language of the country in which they are visiting. I lived in Europe for a number of years, and always made it a habit of at least knowing enough words to work my way through a menu...even in France, people tended to revert to English if I at least showed an attempt at respecting their culture and language.
Immigrants on the other hand are planting roots in America LONG TERM...would be nice if they bothered to learn the most commonly spoken language, even if it is not the official national language.
True, but if you are not a citizen of that nation, and just visiting, there is no expectation that you need to learn German...yet out of respect for their culture, and as a tourist or temporary resident, it is a sign of respect to at least learn the basics.
If they cant order in english then maybe they need a menu with numbers. Still it is hard to say hold the onions if you dont speak english. If people want cheesesteak they will just have to learn the name of what they want. There is no law requiring a restraunt to hire interpreters. If someone showed up and wanted to order a meal in Russian it would create the same problem. I could see a small paper menu written in spanish might be a nice way to come to a compromise. They only have to say the menu items in English.
Try visiting Italy and ordering in English and you might have the same problem. Sometimes you will find an english speaking waiter and sometimes you will get something you dont want to eat.
If we cant make them learn english then they cant make us learn spanish.
I dont see a problem.
Try visiting Italy and ordering in English and you might have the same problem. Sometimes you will find an english speaking waiter and sometimes you will get something you dont want to eat.
If we cant make them learn english then they cant make us learn spanish.
I dont see a problem.
GroundedSailor
Platinum Member
I have been to Italy - in fact I have been to many countries where English is not usually spoken - but nowhere do I recall being refused service because I could not order in the local language.
Starbuck1975
Lifer
Did you read this part of the article:
Vento is not turning away customers...he is simply stating that they should order in English, and that he is more then happy to help them do just that.
I have traveled through Italy as well, and can recall a number of occasions where the restaurant or shop order, out of amusement or otherwise, would coach me through the process of knowing how to say what I was ordering in the native language.
GroundedSailor
Platinum Member
Yes I did read the article, it also stated that Geno's sign said:
"This Is AMERICA: WHEN ORDERING `SPEAK ENGLISH."
While I personally agree with the concept of everyone speaking the same language in a country, this is a very arrogant approach by any customer oriented business. It's downright insulting to customers. I know in all my travels I would have turned away from any store/restaurant with that attitude.
If he really wants to help people speak english then maybe he should start classes for the ones who need them.
Starbuck1975
Lifer
I agree that there is a certain degree of arrogance to his solution, but I can also relate to his worldview. As the grandson of Italian immigrants, the stories my grandparents told me of xenophobia and discrimination against all immigrants in the late 1800s and early 1900s was quite widespread and not very pleasant...even my parents and uncles can relate stories of being targeted by Irish and German gangs simply for being Italian.
Many cultures have immigrated to America since its inception, and all have managed to integrate into our society while maintaining elements of their own distinct cultures...when I hear leaders of Latino communities equate integration to cultural suicide, it somewhat frustrates me, as there is a certain arrogance as well to the mindset of immigrating to this country and having an expectation that it will provide services that cater to the nuances of your particular culture.
umbrella39
Lifer
I tend to agree that the owner should be able to mandate ordering in English, it is his joint. But then I am left with thinking about those who might be tourists visiting Philly. Not really the best move to alienate all potential customers who do not speak our language just to get back at the Latinos he obviously hates.
There are just some people in this world that love to hate everyone who is not exactly like them. I call them ignorant.
JEDIYoda
Lifer
Its flattering that what I say would concern you enough to post something ignorant about calling me out!! lolol
feralkid call me out all you want! English is my 4th language not my primary language!
Also this is the internet its not a frekin doctrinal thesis where everything needs to be puntuated perfectly!
You want to speak polish or Russian or Czech feel free to PM me in any of those languages and we can have a conversation..
Since I have been told its against the rules of these forums I would have posted this in one of those 3 languages.
There are many places in slavic countries especially out in the rural areas where you truly
are SOL if you speak no english.
You go to the bigger or even moderately sized cities and YES people will try to help you.
YES english is now being taught and has been taught for some time now in the schools instead of Russian as when I was growing up!
But in the rural areas of many countries...especisally your slavic countries you are still SOL.
People will still try to help you...especially if you hold your private parts and jump up and down its pretty obvious what your trying to say.
Anybody can say they went on a trip to Europe to see the sights.
Been there and done that.
You are correct about Italy and a few of its neighbors but once you hit the country alot of the time you really are SOL!!
Its nice to be called out....but grow up. I have traveled extensively through Europe!
Germany, Romania, Hangary, Russia, Ukraine,Czech Rep and France and Poland.
But hey i don`t know ******...so go figure!
Just becuase you didn`t have a hard time communicating in Italy doesn`t mean that your experiences hold true throughout all of Europe!
Steeplerot
Lifer
Well, a little hint JEDIYoda, ! is no subsitute for a good old period. Using ! all the time makes you sound obnoxious and people tend to brush you off as yelling instead of making a reasoned point.
feralkid
Lifer
No need to throw a thrombo.
Yes, I meant to call you out to see if you actually spoke several foreign languages.
I guess you know some, and that is quite admirable; but not so many as you would lead us to believe. I figured you were exagerating to make your point, and was correct. What about that makes me ignorant?
I see you've diluted your original statement from most of the world to "many place in slavic countries" why didn't you say that in the first place? You would have received little argument from anyone, I'm sure.
I don't know what you are referring to regarding Italy, as I never mentioned it in my post.
Steeplerot
Lifer
:laugh: Just call me the ! nazi then.
He types like a 10 year old WoW player, it get annoying When everything!! he!! types!! he!! has!! to! use!! exclamations. It is like typing in caps. I was actually pretty polite about it, but you sir can just go cheney yourself.
His childish name "Jedi Yoda" when he himself talks like a fascist just makes him all the more silly along with the exclamations. His english is not bad, he just needs to learn that ! is for when you are making a strong message. I am no english major myself but geez.
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