England needs to seal its pipe about excessive damage to BP

[StageLeft]

LOL. That's a fair and balanced response for sure. When in doubt or pissed off, just launch a few missiles at your biggest ally. The world would be a scary place if you ever got your hands on the levers of power.

I'm genuinely curious as to where your hatred of Britain comes from. Did the Queen shit in cereal and then proceed to kill your puppy?

To everyone in the US complaining about the British media, understand that the British media != the British people. This is just their way of spinning an oil spill story out for a few more weeks by trying to whip up some jingoistic anti-US sentiment.
Remember that the media generally exists for one reason only, to sell themselves and make some cash.

The vast majority of people in the UK are just as pissed off with BP as people in the US are, especially after the idiotic comments the BP boss has made.
Frankly, I don't really care who is responsible for the mess at this point, the focus should be on plugging the leak, cleaning the mess and compensating those who have had their business ruined.

Once all that is done, THEN there should be a thorough investigation to apportion blame to the responsible parties.

As for Obama's rhetoric towards BP, this was his opportunity to look tough on something, of course he was going to jump all over it.

Canoworms has some strange hate for Europe as seen in all threads referring to it. I don't know if he's kidding about wanting to attack Big Ben or not.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Big Ben is just the Bell.

 

[Linflas]

LOL. That's a fair and balanced response for sure. When in doubt or pissed off, just launch a few missiles at your biggest ally. The world would be a scary place if you ever got your hands on the levers of power.

I'm genuinely curious as to where your hatred of Britain comes from. Did the Queen shit in cereal and then proceed to kill your puppy?

To everyone in the US complaining about the British media, understand that the British media != the British people. This is just their way of spinning an oil spill story out for a few more weeks by trying to whip up some jingoistic anti-US sentiment.
Remember that the media generally exists for one reason only, to sell themselves and make some cash.

The vast majority of people in the UK are just as pissed off with BP as people in the US are, especially after the idiotic comments the BP boss has made.
Frankly, I don't really care who is responsible for the mess at this point, the focus should be on plugging the leak, cleaning the mess and compensating those who have had their business ruined.

Once all that is done, THEN there should be a thorough investigation to apportion blame to the responsible parties.

As for Obama's rhetoric towards BP, this was his opportunity to look tough on something, of course he was going to jump all over it.

Much like the British media != the British people Americans talking stupid crap on an internet message board != the American people. The American people as a whole consider the UK to be one of our closest allies.

 

[QuantumPion]

EXXON got lucky the Valdez was WAY OUT IN ALASKA

If Valdez was in the Gulf.. they would have been skewered

Actually the cause of both is pretty similar. Liberal environmentalists blocked the construction of an oil pipeline from Alaska to the states, which is why the Exxon had to transport the oil by ship instead, which lead to the oil spill.

Similarly, liberal environmentalists blocking oil exploration in Alaska, the lower 48, and in shallow waters caused BP to search for oil in deep water, where it is extremely difficult to stop and cleanup this current spill.

Once again, liberalism generates the exact opposite of its stated intent. Environmentalists are directly responsible for the destruction of our environment.

 

[Cotswolds]

Once again, liberalism generates the exact opposite of its stated intent. Environmentalists are indirectly responsible for the destruction of our environment.

I think indirectly would be more apt, but otherwise there is merit to your post. The worst case scenario in shallow water drilling isn't even a fraction as bad as the current reality.

 

[dahunan]

Actually the cause of both is pretty similar. Liberal environmentalists blocked the construction of an oil pipeline from Alaska to the states, which is why the Exxon had to transport the oil by ship instead, which lead to the oil spill.

Similarly, liberal environmentalists blocking oil exploration in Alaska, the lower 48, and in shallow waters caused BP to search for oil in deep water, where it is extremely difficult to stop and cleanup this current spill.

Once again, liberalism generates the exact opposite of its stated intent. Environmentalists are directly responsible for the destruction of our environment.

Sad world you manufacture for yourself.. real sad..

I guess Liberals took them out of the environmental protections - made them fail safety tests and made them skip installing a BACKUP blowout converter

People like you who reward irresponsible and destructive are the problem... and sadly I can see how DEEP it is in your neurosis.. you don't have much hope to ever live in balance with that view

 

[ayabe]

Actually the cause of both is pretty similar. Liberal environmentalists blocked the construction of an oil pipeline from Alaska to the states, which is why the Exxon had to transport the oil by ship instead, which lead to the oil spill.

Similarly, liberal environmentalists blocking oil exploration in Alaska, the lower 48, and in shallow waters caused BP to search for oil in deep water, where it is extremely difficult to stop and cleanup this current spill.

Once again, liberalism generates the exact opposite of its stated intent. Environmentalists are directly responsible for the destruction of our environment.

This again is pure FUD, they were drilling because of the huge amount of oil, in fact it's one of the largest ever discovered which is why they were willing to spend $500,000 a day just to drill there.

This is some of the weakest bullshit in the history of bullshit.

 

[piasabird]

What about the damage to the US? I dont see the queen of England offering to pay any of the damages. Put up or shut up. Money talks, Bull Puckey walks. I hope they are all expecting their dividends and go bankrupt.

 

[WelshBloke]

What about the damage to the US? I dont see the queen of England offering to pay any of the damages. Put up or shut up. Money talks, Bull Puckey walks. I hope they are all expecting their dividends and go bankrupt.

BP is not owned by the Queen.

I didnt see the American government queuing up to pay compensation after Bhopal.

 

[0roo0roo]

uk press is strange, they intentionally misinterpreted obamas comments as somehow an attack on the british people.

they are confusing themselves with an oil company. funny how that works.

 

[Infohawk]

I'm genuinely curious as to where your hatred of Britain comes from. Did the Queen shit in cereal and then proceed to kill your puppy?

Cow hates all Europeans and people of European descent. It's not just about the British.

Why? One has to assume he is mentally deranged. Why else would he be advocating the US engage in terrorism?

 

[MikeMike]

BP is not owned by the Queen.

I didnt see the American government queuing up to pay compensation after Bhopal.

Did the US bitch about whatever reparations UCIL had to pay? or did they stfu and just watch it happen?

 

[CanOWorms]

Cow hates all Europeans and people of European descent. It's not just about the British.

Why? One has to assume he is mentally deranged. Why else would he be advocating the US engage in terrorism?

You're a white supremacist advocating the genocide of all other races. Pretty sure you're the mentally deranged one. I'm advocating normal and standard political acts. War, which many consider to be deranged, is a common occurrence; it is within the norm. Genocide is not.

It's not terrorism just because it destroys your dreams of a revival of Nazi ideals.

 

[CanOWorms]

Much like the British media != the British people Americans talking stupid crap on an internet message board != the American people. The American people as a whole consider the UK to be one of our closest allies.

Not in the near future. WASPs are declining as a demographic and they're the ones who disproportionately support the UK.

 

[CanOWorms]

BP is not owned by the Queen.

But it looks like BP owns the Queen.

 

[Zorba]

Or you could, you know, have tried regulating the oil industry that operates in YOUR country and is subject to YOUR laws and holding them to decent safty standards.

Wait, its far easier to play pass the parcel with the blame.

So you are saying that a company should have no responsibility for safety beyond what the law requires? So as long as they followed the enforced law and something goes to shit, it isn't really their fault?

What a load of shit, if companies actually had to pay for all their fuck ups there would not be a need for nearly as many regulations. I guarantee after this oil companies will think twice about cutting corners in in deep sea exploration.

 

[evident]

what the fuck is the matter with you people

 

[Infohawk]

You're a white supremacist advocating the genocide of all other races. Pretty sure you're the mentally deranged one. I'm advocating normal and standard political acts. War, which many consider to be deranged, is a common occurrence; it is within the norm. Genocide is not.

It's not terrorism just because it destroys your dreams of a revival of Nazi ideals.

Here's the thing: I have never once advocated the genocide of any races and I am not a white supremacist. Your premise is absolutely 100% BS and therefore your argument fails. Additionally, these baseless allegations make you a liar and a fraud.

Contrast that with the fact that you have been caught red handed advocating military strikes on Big Ben and Tower Bridge. These are high-profile civilian targets. You are therefore a wannabe terrorist. You can't deny this. (You also seem to have fantasies of race wars and war on Europe, which are some of the most unlikely things to happen and a reflection of your profound state of delusion.)

 

[CanOWorms]

Here's the thing: I have never once advocated the genocide of any races. Your premise is absolutely 100% BS and therefore your argument fails.

Sorry, but you advocate strange beliefs on white supremacy (actually Western European supremacy since you dislike Eastern Europeans, Turks, etc. but that seems to fit within the common framework of white supremacy), desire to create a race-based homeland, etc.

You on the other hand have been caught red handed advocating military strikes on Big Ben and Tower Bridge. These are high-profile civilian targets. You are therefore a wannabe terrorist. You obviously have fantasies of race wars and war on Europe, which are some of the most unlikely things to happen and a reflection of your profound state of delusion.

You're the one with the obsession on race wars.

Disabling the infrastructure of a country seems quite important in a military engagement. In addition, I advocated strikes that would result in no loss of life.

I just don't subscribe to the belief that Europe's interests must be predominant over those of the USA. This is not a rare belief among Americans anymore. Obama is a great example of this. You are a dinosaur.

 

[theeedude]

Or you could, you know, have tried regulating the oil industry that operates in YOUR country and is subject to YOUR laws and holding them to decent safty standards.

Wait, its far easier to play pass the parcel with the blame.

Bankrupting polluters is the best regulation. BP got hit with environmental fines over and over again, and they just considered them cost of doing business. Now BP should be bled dry to make an example for others. UK pension funds, as co-owners of BP should have insisted that BP not put itself and their members at an enormous financial risk by cutting corners on safety, it is their company. They didn't. Now they are going to get bent over the barrel. No pity at all for the Brits.

 

[Infohawk]

I think Eastern European countries could have waited longer to join the EU. I don't think Turkey needs to be part of the EU the same way I don't think Korea needs to be a part of China. This doesn't mean I think Turkey or Eastern Europe should be wiped off the face of the Earth. I don't. Therefore, that's not white supremacy, moron. Your own idiotic post reflects this as there is no such thing as a western European race. So which one is it: are you a liar or just an idiot who doesn't know what genocide is? (Hint, genocide != opposing Turkish integration with EU. Hell, many Turks don't want to join the EU, are they white supremacists too you clown?)

Disabling the infrastructure of a country seems quite important in a military engagement. In addition, I advocated strikes that would result in no loss of life.

Wow you are profoundly stupid. Do you even know what infrastructure means? Have you ever been to London? Do you understand that your targets are in the middle of London and surrounded by throngs of tourists?

I just don't subscribe to the belief that Europe's interests must be predominant over those of the USA. This is not a rare belief among Americans anymore. Obama is a great example of this. You are a dinosaur.

God you are a moron. Do you actually think Obama would ever get close to liking your stupid ideas? He would think you're a complete nut if he heard your nonsense. Do you deny that? You think he'd think you're cool or something? Pathetic.

And you go beyond the belief that Europe's interests shouldn't go above the USA's. (Nice strawman though.) You consistently talk about US military strikes on Europe. That moves you squarely into wack-job territory. That coupled with your incessant talk about the lack of white population growth and the focus on Europe suggests you merely have a problem with people of European ancestry. But please, feel free to deny that. And at the same time you could explain your obsession with Europe and race-related posts.

 

[CanOWorms]

I think Eastern European countries could have waited longer to join the EU. I don't think Turkey needs to be part of the EU the same way I don't think Korea needs to be a part of China. This doesn't mean I think Turkey or Eastern Europe should be wiped off the face of the Earth. I don't. Therefore, that's not white supremacy, moron. Your own idiotic post reflects this as there is no such thing as a western European race. So which one is it: are you a liar or just an idiot who doesn't know what genocide is? (Hint, genocide != opposing Turkish integration with EU. Hell, many Turks don't want to join the EU, are they white supremacists too you clown?)

You advocate supremacy. It seems simple to me. If you advocate supremacy than you're a supremacist. You hate egalitarianism, multiculturalism, etc. You support mass deportations, eradications, etc. You have a fetish for genocide.

Wow you are profoundly stupid. Do you even know what infrastructure means? Have you ever been to London? Do you understand that your targets are in the middle of London and surrounded by throngs of tourists?

It's not that complicated. Blow it up at 2 am, give a warning, etc.

God you are a moron. Do you actually think Obama would ever get close to liking your stupid ideas? He would think you're a complete nut if he heard your nonsense. Do you deny that? You think he'd think you're cool or something? Pathetic.

He hates the UK. They tortured his grandfather. They smashed his testicles with metal rods. I wouldn't be surprised if he would do more than what I advocate if it were not for domestic political realities.

And you go beyond the belief that Europe's interests shouldn't go above the USA's. (Nice strawman though.) You consistently talk about US military strikes on Europe. That moves you squarely into wack-job territory. That coupled with your incessant talk about the lack of white population growth and the focus on Europe suggests you merely have a problem with people of European ancestry. But please, feel free to deny that. And at the same time you could explain your obsession with Europe and race-related posts.

How is it any different than talking about military strikes against any other country (Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, North Korea, Mexico, etc.)? Oh yeah, it destroys your dream of a race-based paradise.

Sorry, there is not a lack of white population growth (but you do seem extremely insecure on the issue and seem obsessed with it leading you to talk about all your race war BS that I assume you picked up from some Idaho white supremacist fort). There is a lack of European population growth; many of the remedies include allowing immigration of whites too (just those you deem to be inferior such as Eastern Europeans, Turks, Arabs, etc.). Your consistent confusion moves you squarely into whack-job territory. That coupled with your incessant talk about Jews and Muslims and other minorities suggests you have a problem with those groups. But please, feel free to deny that. And at the same time you could explain your obsession with minorities and race-related posts.

Everything has to do with race with you. I'm just obsessed with European politics the same way many here are obsessed with American politics, Israel, Islam, nuclear proliferation, etc. You're just plain obsessed with race and the mixing of races and all sorts of race-related concepts.

 

[StageLeft]

I cannot tell if canoworms is being serious or not and that scares me.

 

[WelshBloke]

Bankrupting polluters is the best regulation. BP got hit with environmental fines over and over again, and they just considered them cost of doing business. Now BP should be bled dry to make an example for others. UK pension funds, as co-owners of BP should have insisted that BP not put itself and their members at an enormous financial risk by cutting corners on safety, it is their company. They didn't. Now they are going to get bent over the barrel. No pity at all for the Brits.

BP is a publicly traded company. Its not owned by 'the Brits'.

AFAIK The US public owns slightly more BP shares than the UK public, and BP employs more people in the US than in the UK.

So its fine and understandable to be pissed at BP, but don't try and turn this into a UK thing.

 

[WelshBloke]

I cannot tell if canoworms is being serious or not and that scares me.

He's brings teh funny, just enjoy the show.

Hes like the idiots in the asylums in Victorian times that the wardens would let you poke with a stick for a small bribe, except hes free. :thumbsup: