Vic
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They're called intentional defaults, not 'strategic.' :roll:
There's no conspiracy about them. Some foolish asshat buys high with the expectation of going higher, and decides to renege on his marker when the market goes the other way. There's less than a handful of states where the investor can't pursue the deficiency, and most of the intentional defaulters end up declaring bankruptcy. Good times for them, I'm sure!
Your doing something right when the bark gang starts barking away. Cloward-piven is not only a real strategy but it goes beyond the Columbia profs all the way back to KGB. Their main task was destabilization and not taking microfilm pictures of bridges.
KGB had 4 stages for subverting a nation: demoralization, destabilization, crisis, normalization.
Technically US is being pushed in to destabilization under the guise of helping - the goal however is a crisis that allows for power grab. A KGB defector said this about destabilization in 1983
"Power Struggle
The first symptom of instability is expressed as the desire of the population to bring to power those politicians and parties who are charismatic, act like good ?caretakers? and promise more ?security?-- not from external and foreign enemies, but rather, job ?security,? ?free? social services and other ?pleasure strokes? provided by ?Big Brother.? By concentrating the attention of a nation on short-term solutions and ?improvements,? such irresponsible politicians simply procrastinate on facing ?the moment of truth,? when the nation will lave to pay a much higher price for the main and basic problem-- bringing country back to stability and restoring the moral fiber.
A compounding factor at this stage is the so-called ?grass root? participation of the 'masses' in the political process. Demoralized and enfeebled 'masses' tend to grab the 'easiest' short-cut solution to social ills and socialism seems to them to be the best answer. Traditional national institutions no longer appear efficient. They are gradually replaced by artificially created 'citizen's committees' and boards' which acquire more and more political power. These bodies which are in essence, mirror reflections of the totalitarian structures of power, are more and more 'responsive' to mob-ocracy, the rule of of the crowd of radicalized CONSUMERS. At the same time, the backbone of the economy-- the free bargaining process-- gradually yields to the principle of 'planned economy' and 'centralization.?
With the final destruction of the free bargaining process the predominant economic power moves into the hands of ?Big Brother,? the State, which functions more and more 'in cahoots' with mega-monopolies and monopolized labor unions. The famous 'division of powers' no longer governs the judicial, legislative and executive lines, but rather is replaced by bureaucracy in government, bureaucracy in business and bureaucracy in labor.
In the area of foreign relations America is being pushed further and further into isolationism and defeatism. Few remaining friends look with horror at the destiny of those nations who were betrayed and abandoned by the USA and try to find 'their own solutions,? which often comes as 'establishing friendly relations' with the USSR and its Communist empire. The belligerent encirclement of America proceeds with an ever-increasing pace and demoralized politicians are no longer able or willing to face the inevitable reality. Soviet and Cuban military supplies and direct intervention seem to the US legislators to be less dangerous, than America's 'losing face' by 'violating international laws' by mining Nicaraguan ports to prevent the export of Communist revolution to the region. The majority of Americans are made to believe that it is their country?- America-- who 'violates' international law, not the USSR and its surrogates. The average American may not even realize that the 'International Court' is nothing but an artificial creature of the Soviet-controlled General Assembly of the UN.
All through this stage of DESTABILIZATION, Western 'multinational' monopolies continue to trade, extend credits, supply technology and 'diplomatically' appease the SUBVERTER-- the Central Committee of the USSR. In total disregard of the interests of the peoples of America and the USSR, these two giants continue to extend aid to each other. American media keeps talking about 'frictions' between the NATIONS (USA-USSR)! What 'frictions'? Comrade Petrov in Omsk has NO FRICTIONS with Mr. Smith in Pittsburgh. In fact, they never had a chance to meet each other thanks to Helsinki Accord. Comrade Petrov, though HAS FRICTIONS with his oppressors-- the Kremlin junta, which sends him to make war on Afghanistan, Vietnam, Angola and Nicaragua. Comrade Petrov does not want war with America. Neither does Mr. Smith want to fight 'Russia.? But they may have to if the DESTABILIZATION process is successful in America. Once it is, the situation inevitably slides into crisis."
http://uselessdissident.blogsp...merica-part-three.html
Good video intervew with author linked here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...YhnPEo&feature=related
Well if you believe some folks version of history... Cloward-Piven is simply a restatement of what powerful families and interests in Europe started doing as early as the 16th century. Some would argue subversion via crisis was used to destroy the Roman Empire.
You seem sincere and civil, so the more you clarify what you like, the more it will help.
There are two things here - the 'economic doomsday scenario' and the conspiracy theory about going to 'socialism'.
For the economic side, I'd recommend Kevin Phillips' "Bad Money"; it was released in early 2008 and indicated the sort of problems to come. It's been updated after the crash.
The conspiracy theory about socialism, I think is baseless paranoia.
The people who would like more socialism for better or worse can do little about it; they're not powerful; those who like *corporate welfare* are another matter.
I look forward to your reaction. It's a book that does a great job at explaining some of the darker issues with sensory deprivation forms of torture; it also has some very useful broad histories of the terrible results of the 'Chicago School' of economics, and it is a useful warning to people not to give anyone a free hand in a crisis to make big changes that otherwise would be unacceptable.
You might also like to read "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man".
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