Engine Failure: Toyota Tundra may be recalled..

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: CFster

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
CFester...if what you are claiming is really true (and the company, because everyone knows 3rd largest) then you can email me at dealership code 744629776.


Oh and with your official email letterhead.

I know what you're trying to pull, and I'm not going for it.

Sort of like the guy who didn't believe I was an ASE tech and asked me to post my ASE member number online. Like I would really post my freekin Social Security number online (because that IS your member number).

If you have a dealership code, then it's something between you dealers. I don't deal with codes and don't have a damn clue what they are. And if you ask me for mine then I'll tell you we don't have one, because we're not a dealer, we're an auction. We don't own any of the cars we sell, we merely provide a means to sell them. We employ 500 people, perhaps somebody in the dealer registration dept. knows more about it than I do. I fix cars for a living.

As for letterhead, it's not going to happen. I post here under anonymity, and that's the way it's going to stay.

I find a lot of discussions here end this way. Once they've reached the point where they can't argue with you they start challenging your credentials because they just don't believe it.

You know what? I don't care. You don't believe I have the experience I say I do, then fine. I was merely trying to have a conversation when I was called an idiot by somebody who obviously isn't mentally equipped to argue his point. Shame on me for sinking to his level.







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I am not trying to argue with you either way I just know you're full of ******, trying to say you work for such and such but when asked more "I post" anonymously. Anyone who really wanted to remain anonymous wouldn't even bring it up. I know your type.

 

[ponyo]

Originally posted by: ondarkness

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: ondarkness

Say what you wish about US automakers but they know how to make big trucks and they know how to build V8 engines.

because we all need to ride with Bin Laden.

trucks run on gas.
and not a little.
and I don't think this is the construction worker thread.

I'm a contractor. So I'm riding with Bin Laden when I use my truck and cargo van for work?

 

[Eli]

lol.

You guys are blowing this way out of proportion.

Everyone makes mistakes. At least Toyota isn't just sweeping this under the carpet. It's pretty ridiculous though. Recalls happen, and nobody freaks out like this when a Domestic issues a recall.

Nobody will remember this in a week. It's an isolated, supplier-related incident... It's not dangerous, and I'm sure Toyota will bend over backwards for those affected.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: Eli
lol.

You guys are blowing this way out of proportion.

Everyone makes mistakes. At least Toyota isn't just sweeping this under the carpet. It's pretty ridiculous though. Recalls happen, and nobody freaks out like this when a Domestic issues a recall.

Nobody will remember this in a week. It's an isolated, supplier-related incident... It's not dangerous, and I'm sure Toyota will bend over backwards for those affected.

I think you underestimate the power of bad publicity.

How many years did the "stuck accelerator" problem haunt Audi? What about the handful of Fiero's that went up in flames? When you are trying to market a vehicle to a very hard to persuade audience you have little room for error.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: CFster

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
It can't be! Toyota is the best automaker in the history of cars! They run forever and don't break! Just like Hondas!

Sorry, but the Honda and Toyota shops are FULL of broken cars. They actually do more business than the domestic shops, at least around here.

This isn't the first engine defect Toyota has had, either.

Yeah, they're full of cars, but they're all there for routine service work.

The shops full of cars getting engines and transmissions are the domestics pal.

Wrong. Try going from dealership to dealership like I do every single day and then you can tell me what the mechanics in each place are working on.

And BTW, a shop at the auction is NOT the same as a real dealership shop that fixes broken cars every day. I understand that you see a lot of cars, but I do too, and I see them at the dealerships....the place where all customers take their cars that are under warranty to be fixed.
And believe me, the Toyota and Honda shops are FULL or BROKEN cars. They DO NOT just do preventative maintenance. They have PLENTY of problems.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: Eli
lol.

You guys are blowing this way out of proportion.

Everyone makes mistakes. At least Toyota isn't just sweeping this under the carpet. It's pretty ridiculous though. Recalls happen, and nobody freaks out like this when a Domestic issues a recall.

Nobody will remember this in a week. It's an isolated, supplier-related incident... It's not dangerous, and I'm sure Toyota will bend over backwards for those affected.

I think you underestimate the power of bad publicity.

How many years did the "stuck accelerator" problem haunt Audi? What about the handful of Fiero's that went up in flames? When you are trying to market a vehicle to a very hard to persuade audience you have little room for error.

Exactly. Look at the reputation the Pinto still has today. They weren't that bad.
The Audi problem was bogus...it didn't exist. It was completely operator error.
Just like the Firestone tire recall. Nearly 100% of those problems were caused by people running too low air pressure while in very hot climates....combined with not knowing how to drive when they did get a flat.

Same with the domestic vs. Jap car perception. There was a time, when the domestics were FAR behind the Jap cars in quality.
That time has passed. There is very little difference in the actual quality, but the perception is still that the Jap cars are head and shoulders above the American cars in reliability.....and it simply isn't true.
But it's going to take a long time for that perception to change.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: Eli
lol.

You guys are blowing this way out of proportion.

Everyone makes mistakes. At least Toyota isn't just sweeping this under the carpet. It's pretty ridiculous though. Recalls happen, and nobody freaks out like this when a Domestic issues a recall.

Nobody will remember this in a week. It's an isolated, supplier-related incident... It's not dangerous, and I'm sure Toyota will bend over backwards for those affected.

I think you underestimate the power of bad publicity.

How many years did the "stuck accelerator" problem haunt Audi? What about the handful of Fiero's that went up in flames? When you are trying to market a vehicle to a very hard to persuade audience you have little room for error.

No, I completely understand.. that's why I touched on "It's not dangerous".

There's a big difference between a failed camshaft or other engine part and a sticking accelerator or something that may cause a car to catch on fire.

This will not hurt Toyota's overall reputation any more than someone who is informed their car needs something replacecd due to a TSB, IMO.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Jawo

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
The Tundra is trying to be a real truck, but the good ol boys, with real work to do laugh at them. Now they just have more reason to laugh. Go Chevy, Ford and Dodge. People who need a real truck don't buy an ugly assed truck wannabe. The ridgeline as a truck, now that's a different kind of joke. LOL

I'm in the automotive business. I love these braniacs who don't buy warranties on Toyotas because they think they never break. Come and look in our service department on any given day, then tell me Toyotas don't break down. "Sir, may I call your attention to that transfer case on the floor over there? "

Ha! I totally agree! I was waiting for the TPS to fail! (Toyota Production System) They are trying to do too much....and plus who wants a plastic bedliner with plastic tiedowns? (Honda "trucks" with its lockable in bed liner). A real truck needs a steel bed with a Line-x liner. Trucks are meant for carying large payloads around...if you dont do that...get an SUV!

well most large trucks only carry around one large payload, and that is fatass americans. you know this is the honest truth.

 

[dug777]

This just goes to show that Yankee domestics are bettar!

:roll:

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Jawo
Trucks are meant for carying large payloads around...if you dont do that...get an car!

Fixed, because if you're not carrying large payloads around, why would you need a truck OR an SUV?

 

[Xyclone]

Originally posted by: IGBT
..the 06 Tundra/previous body style was a good looking truck. This new Tundra is bulbus and bloated looking. The dash looks trashy with hard plastic finish and the sheet metal guage is lighter as well. It's going to ding real easy. Any of the mfgr's can have problems..it's how they respond to them and learn from mistakes that make the diff. This will be a good challenge for Toy. Let's see if they can maintain the allure of the unicorn..and maintain their unicorn prices.

Agreed. My 2003 Toyota Tundra V6 4AT is running 70,461 miles strong, without a single problem to date. I also looks considerably sexy (access cab and SR5 package) compared to some of the other trucks out there. When I drove the new one (V6, AT, Access), I was appalled by the crappy, ugly, and cheap interior and appreciated my truck in that aspect. As far as the suspension goes, however, the new Tundra was awesome. They allegedly do the same amount of work as the old ones while being a comfortable commuter.

Previous gen. Tundras FTW!

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

well most large trucks only carry around one large payload, and that is fatass americans. you know this is the honest truth.

Actually, that is totally wrong. And regardless, Americans work harder and more than any other Western country, so I guess we deserve a little comfort in our trucks if we want it.

 

[ponyo]

Originally posted by: Xyclone
Agreed. My 2003 Toyota Tundra V6 4AT is running 70,461 miles strong, without a single problem to date. I also looks considerably sexy (access cab and SR5 package) compared to some of the other trucks out there. When I drove the new one (V6, AT, Access), I was appalled by the crappy, ugly, and cheap interior and appreciated my truck in that aspect. As far as the suspension goes, however, the new Tundra was awesome. They allegedly do the same amount of work as the old ones while being a comfortable commuter.

Previous gen. V8 Tundras FTW!

fixed. V6 and full size truck don't mix. If you want a V6, buy a mid size truck. V6 in a full size truck should be outlawed.

 

[1prophet]

Too bad the forums don't allow posting of graphs and charts because a picture is indeed worth a thousand words, so click on the link.


Auto Warranty vs. Quality

So let's assume for a moment that all these conditions are true. That would imply that Toyota is paying around $265 per vehicle in warranty claims and Honda is paying out around $330 per automobile. That's considerably less than Ford's $585 or GM's $512, not to mention DaimlerChrysler's $1,370 per vehicle. However, recent quality data suggests this may indeed be the case.

As mentioned, Toyota has reported claims rates close to 1.3% for four consecutive years. Honda has reported three consecutive increases, from 1.2% in 2003 to 1.4% in 2004 and 1.6% in 2005.

Ford, meanwhile, has reported claims rates in a range of 2.2% to the current 2.7%. GM has reported figures between 2.6% and 3.2%. DaimlerChrysler has ranged all the way from 2.7% to 5.2%. In Figure 2, what we're doing is plotting the last three years for each company -- the same data as in Figure 1 -- on a purely vertical scale, to show the maximum and minimum claims rates.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: AdamK47

"Engine failure kills a car's ability to run and it's not a simple thing to fix."

This brainiac knows his stuff.

LOL, I was going to point out the exact quote.

 

[Chunkee]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: AmigaMan

Originally posted by: The Cornballer
Trollyota!

even more reason to stick with the tried and true red white and blue!

* gonna buy me a ford truck and cruise it up and down the road!!!

...and built in Mexico.

There are Hondas made in Mexico too. Who gives a crap?

Easy there Jenny, dont get your twat all riled up.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Jawo

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
The Tundra is trying to be a real truck, but the good ol boys, with real work to do laugh at them. Now they just have more reason to laugh. Go Chevy, Ford and Dodge. People who need a real truck don't buy an ugly assed truck wannabe. The ridgeline as a truck, now that's a different kind of joke. LOL

I'm in the automotive business. I love these braniacs who don't buy warranties on Toyotas because they think they never break. Come and look in our service department on any given day, then tell me Toyotas don't break down. "Sir, may I call your attention to that transfer case on the floor over there? "

Ha! I totally agree! I was waiting for the TPS to fail! (Toyota Production System) They are trying to do too much....and plus who wants a plastic bedliner with plastic tiedowns? (Honda "trucks" with its lockable in bed liner). A real truck needs a steel bed with a Line-x liner. Trucks are meant for carying large payloads around...if you dont do that...get an SUV!

well most large trucks only carry around one large payload, and that is fatass americans. you know this is the honest truth.

hmm come out and visit me then.

you would change your way of thinking.. i would say 80% of the trucks are used for intended purpose around here.

they are towing farming equipment, trailers etc. you don't see very many people using a truck for just a transportation vehicle here.