Engine Failure: Toyota Tundra may be recalled..

[jagec]

Originally posted by: brandonbull
Is it me or are the foreign automakers starting to have quality control problems now they are producing cars on the scale of Ford and GM?

You mean "Now that they are producing cars in the country of Ford and GM"?

Well, glad to hear Toyota's not perfect, now hopefully Ford and GM will keep turning up the quality and we'll get some good competition going.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: lupi
And that matters how? If it's a good ole US company they'd use US labor to make the product and then ship them.

You do also realize that GM is a global company right?

As if Honda and Toyota aren't.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: lupi

Did I say they were? But the Oshawa, Ramos Arizpe, Ste. Therese, Silao, Shanghai, Shenyanh, Pleukdang, Campbellfield, Chongqing, Cologne, Cuautitlan, Tamil Nadu, Chung Li, Selangor, Pretoria, Santa Rosa, Leningrad, Genk, Hai Duong, Hermosillo, Oakville, St Thomas probably aren't US locations.

and most of those don't make F-150s and most of those don't ship cars into the US market. i think the only ones that ship F-150s to the US are the windsor canada location and hermosillo mexico.

and it's not like they hide where the truck is built (it's indicated on the sticker and VIN), so if you want one from KC, dearborn, or norfolk, you can easily find one at the dealer. heck, last time i looked at f-150s at a ford dealer, not a one was from mexico. afaik, most of the ones from the mexican factory are for mexican domestic use and only shipped to the US when they need the extra capacity.

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: lupi
And that matters how? If it's a good ole US company they'd use US labor to make the product and then ship them.

You do also realize that GM is a global company right?

As if Honda and Toyota aren't.

Of course they are, so why shouldn't GM/Ford be able to produce cars outside of the U.S., while Toyota/Honda produce cars outside of Japan?

Most of the out of state products stay out of state anyways.

 

[lupi]

even more reason to stick with the tried and true red white and blue!

could be the reason.

 

[deerslayer]

This thread made my day. It's a sad day in the life of a Toyota Fanboy

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: deerslayer
This thread made my day. It's a sad day in the life of a Toyota Fanboy

Let me head down the street to Norfolk and see how the Ford fanbois are doin.

 

[indamixx99]

Originally posted by: 1prophet
This a manufacturing flaw not a design flaw, probably because of a rushed schedule.
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Care to give us your login?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: lupi

even more reason to stick with the tried and true red white and blue!

could be the reason.

so, the fact that ford makes cars out of the US for sale in markets outside the US makes an american designed and assembled f-150s less 'tried and true red white and blue'?

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: AmigaMan

Originally posted by: The Cornballer
Trollyota!

even more reason to stick with the tried and true red white and blue!

* gonna buy me a ford truck and cruise it up and down the road!!!

...and built in Mexico.

There are Hondas made in Mexico too. Who gives a crap?

It matters if you are going to make a dumbass statement like I'm buying a Chevy or Ford cause they are american.

Actually sir, to quote you, you are the dumbass. While jobs go to Mexico, most of the $$ still goes back to where it was designed and engineered. Same with Honda and Toyota. ALso GM and Ford went overseas because the Japanese made it very competitive with labor costs. Learn your ****** and how automotive companies work before you spout crap.

also and about toyota.....LOLOLOLOLOLROFLACIOUS

I'll stick with me tried true and red white and blue.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: Cattlegod

Originally posted by: bctbct
bump to further annoy Toy fanboys

lol 10/10

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: lupi

even more reason to stick with the tried and true red white and blue!

could be the reason.

so, the fact that ford makes cars out of the US for sale in markets outside the US makes an american designed and assembled f-150s less 'tried and true red white and blue'?

It does not make sense to discriminate this way because the Tundra is also made in America.

Ford: Has factories/investments/business locations in US and other countries
GM: Has factories/investments/business locations in US and other countries
Chrysler Corporation: Has factories/investments/business locations in US and other countries
Toyota: Has factories/investments/business locations in US and other countries
Ford F150: Assembled in America, Mexico, Canada
Chevy Silverado: Assembled in America.
Dodge Ram: Assembled in America, Mexico, Canada
Toyota Tundra: Assembled in America.

In comparison, supporting the Ram and F150 is less american than the completely US assembled Silverado and Tundra, especially since the Tundra was designed at Toyota Calty(California) and engineered at Toyota USA offices.


Not to mention hat the F150 and Ram are much older designs and the Silverado/Tundra/Sierra are more impressive trucks at least IMHO, especially in the SS/Denali/5.7L trims that are or will be available.

 

[SVT Cobra]

CFester...if what you are claiming is really true (and the company, because everyone knows 3rd largest) then you can email me at dealership code 744629776.


Oh and with your official email letterhead.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: lupi

even more reason to stick with the tried and true red white and blue!

could be the reason.

so, the fact that ford makes cars out of the US for sale in markets outside the US makes an american designed and assembled f-150s less 'tried and true red white and blue'?

It does not make sense to discriminate this way because the Tundra is also made in America.

Ford: Has factories/investments/business locations in US and other countries
GM: Has factories/investments/business locations in US and other countries
Chrysler Corporation: Has factories/investments/business locations in US and other countries
Toyota: Has factories/investments/business locations in US and other countries
Ford F150: Assembled in America, Mexico, Canada
Chevy Silverado: Assembled in America.
Dodge Ram: Assembled in America, Mexico, Canada
Toyota Tundra: Assembled in America.

In comparison, supporting the Ram and F150 is less american than the completely US assembled Silverado and Tundra, epically since the Tundra was designed at Toyota Calty(California) and engineered at Toyota USA offices.

again, you can easily find US-built F-150s on dealer lots. and though they might be built in hermosillo mexico, i'm not certain that those are not sold solely to the mexico/central/south aemrican market. for all i or you know, every F-150 sold in the US is built in the US. the F-150 ranks number 1 in the cars.com american-made index.


according to levelfieldinstitute.com (a pro-union website) the US makes average 76% domestic content (in 2005, sales weighted so that F-150s count more than the fusion), with ford leading at 78% (doesn't include ford's foreign brands). honda was the leading japanese brand, at 59%, with toyota at 47%.

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: lupi

even more reason to stick with the tried and true red white and blue!

could be the reason.

so, the fact that ford makes cars out of the US for sale in markets outside the US makes an american designed and assembled f-150s less 'tried and true red white and blue'?

It does not make sense to discriminate this way because the Tundra is also made in America.

Ford: Has factories/investments/business locations in US and other countries
GM: Has factories/investments/business locations in US and other countries
Chrysler Corporation: Has factories/investments/business locations in US and other countries
Toyota: Has factories/investments/business locations in US and other countries
Ford F150: Assembled in America, Mexico, Canada
Chevy Silverado: Assembled in America.
Dodge Ram: Assembled in America, Mexico, Canada
Toyota Tundra: Assembled in America.

In comparison, supporting the Ram and F150 is less american than the completely US assembled Silverado and Tundra, epically since the Tundra was designed at Toyota Calty(California) and engineered at Toyota USA offices.

again, you can easily find US-built F-150s on dealer lots. and though they might be built in hermosillo mexico, i'm not certain that those are not sold solely to the mexico/central/south aemrican market. for all i or you know, every F-150 sold in the US is built in the US. the F-150 ranks number 1 in the cars.com american-made index.


according to levelfieldinstitute.com (a pro-union website) the US makes average 76% domestic content (in 2005, sales weighted so that F-150s count more than the fusion), with ford leading at 78% (doesn't include ford's foreign brands). honda was the leading japanese brand, at 59%, with toyota at 47%.

That is a valid argument but i might want to find a less biased website since unions are bound to feel threatened by the non domestic brands that are not tied down by union contracts and has non unionized factories.

Also, if ti is fair to look exclusively for a US assembled truck in a field that will include some foreign assembled trucks, how many other exceptions can we grant?

Little of what goes into the new Tundra is sourced from Japan: approximately 80 percent of the content is domestic.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/news.cfm/ne...toyota-tundra-rolls-of-production-line
Disclaimer, no idea how reliable this site is since i'm unfamiliar with it and it seems to cater towards imports.

The Tundra is plenty domestic, at least in my opinion and If I remember correctly, such American trucks as the Ford Explorer are only 60-80% domestic. When I worked at a Ford dealership, I remember the window sticker stating a German transmission and a French engine or possibly the other way around. Either way, 80% is very, very competitive in American sourced content and thus you can say you are supporting the Red, White, and Blue with a Tundra, since the Explorer was something like 75% to 80% US parts anyway, and I don't think I ever bothered to read the F150 sticker too carefully.

Anyways, what I'm trying to say is that automakers are global corporations and supporting one or the other, especially Toyota, which has been trying hard to have a bigger presence in the US, designing many of the new models at Calty, engineering most of the new models to compete in the American market, in America and building them in America from mostly American parts, at least in the newer, recently redesigned models.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: mwmorph

That is a valid argument but i might want to find a less biased website since unions are bound to feel threatened by the non domestic brands that are not tied down by union contracts and has non unionized factories.

Also, if ti is fair to look exclusively for a US assembled truck in a field that will include some foreign assembled trucks, how many other exceptions can we grant?

like i said, i'm not even certain that any F-150 sitting on a US dealer lot is one made in mexico. last i looked for that in specific, not a single F-150 was made in mexico. that was about a year and a half ago, and it was only 1 dealer (though a very large champion dealer).

Little of what goes into the new Tundra is sourced from Japan: approximately 80 percent of the content is domestic.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/news.cfm/ne...toyota-tundra-rolls-of-production-line
Disclaimer, no idea how reliable this site is since i'm unfamiliar with it and it seems to cater towards imports.

The tundra is plenty domestic, at least in my opinion and If I remember correctly, such American trucks as the Ford Explorer are only 60-80% domestic. When I worked at a Ford dealership, I remember the window sticker stating a German transmission and a French engine or possibly the other way around. Either way, 80% is very, very competitive in American sourced content and thus you can say you are supporting the Red, White, and Blue with a Tundra, since the Explorer was something like 75% to 80% US parts anyway, and I don't think I ever bothered to read the F150 sticker too carefully.

of course, that's leaving out several very important parts: the design and engineering and profit.

 

[ondarkness]

Say what you wish about US automakers but they know how to make big trucks and they know how to build V8 engines.

because we all need to ride with Bin Laden.

 

[Cattlegod]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: mwmorph

That is a valid argument but i might want to find a less biased website since unions are bound to feel threatened by the non domestic brands that are not tied down by union contracts and has non unionized factories.

Also, if ti is fair to look exclusively for a US assembled truck in a field that will include some foreign assembled trucks, how many other exceptions can we grant?

like i said, i'm not even certain that any F-150 sitting on a US dealer lot is one made in mexico. last i looked for that in specific, not a single F-150 was made in mexico. that was about a year and a half ago, and it was only 1 dealer (though a very large champion dealer).

Little of what goes into the new Tundra is sourced from Japan: approximately 80 percent of the content is domestic.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/news.cfm/ne...toyota-tundra-rolls-of-production-line
Disclaimer, no idea how reliable this site is since i'm unfamiliar with it and it seems to cater towards imports.

The tundra is plenty domestic, at least in my opinion and If I remember correctly, such American trucks as the Ford Explorer are only 60-80% domestic. When I worked at a Ford dealership, I remember the window sticker stating a German transmission and a French engine or possibly the other way around. Either way, 80% is very, very competitive in American sourced content and thus you can say you are supporting the Red, White, and Blue with a Tundra, since the Explorer was something like 75% to 80% US parts anyway, and I don't think I ever bothered to read the F150 sticker too carefully.

of course, that's leaving out several very important parts: the design and engineering and profit.[/quote]

Ford has an F150 plant in Kansas City and one in Detroit.

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: ondarkness

Say what you wish about US automakers but they know how to make big trucks and they know how to build V8 engines.

because we all need to ride with Bin Laden.

 

[ondarkness]

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: ondarkness

Say what you wish about US automakers but they know how to make big trucks and they know how to build V8 engines.

because we all need to ride with Bin Laden.

trucks run on gas.
and not a little.
and I don't think this is the construction worker thread.

 

[spaceman]

imagine if you dropped the $ on a brand spankin new Thundra.
i know i'd be mighty pissed off if the engine blew within a few k.
id be pissed if it blew at 100k
these trucks are too much money(for me at least) to go with an unknown quantity.

 

[spaceman]

for the record i have a 1995 FORD F-150 4x4 with 95k.
aside from the nightmarish clutch/clutch slave repair its very solid if a little bit doggy.

 

[nweaver]

Originally posted by: ondarkness

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: ondarkness

Say what you wish about US automakers but they know how to make big trucks and they know how to build V8 engines.

because we all need to ride with Bin Laden.

trucks run on gas.
and not a little.
and I don't think this is the construction worker thread.

my truck doesn't run on gas
my truck doesn't use a lot of fuel (compared to most gas models anyway)
my truck can run on Chinese WonTon oil (but it'll give ya the munchies when I rev it up!)

 

[nweaver]

Originally posted by: The Cornballer
imagine if you dropped the $ on a brand spankin new Thundra.
i know i'd be mighty pissed off if the engine blew within a few k.
id be pissed if it blew at 100k
these trucks are too much money(for me at least) to go with an unknown quantity.

yeah, 100K on the clock isn't too much. My W250 Ram has 185Kish, my in laws W250 has 250Kish...

on the flip side, their Toyota van also have just under 3Kish too....did have a tranny issue under warranty, but no issues since then.

 

[CFster]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
CFester...if what you are claiming is really true (and the company, because everyone knows 3rd largest) then you can email me at dealership code 744629776.


Oh and with your official email letterhead.

I know what you're trying to pull, and I'm not going for it.

Sort of like the guy who didn't believe I was an ASE tech and asked me to post my ASE member number online. Like I would really post my freekin Social Security number online (because that IS your member number).

If you have a dealership code, then it's something between you dealers. I don't deal with codes and don't have a damn clue what they are. And if you ask me for mine then I'll tell you we don't have one, because we're not a dealer, we're an auction. We don't own any of the cars we sell, we merely provide a means to sell them. We employ 500 people, perhaps somebody in the dealer registration dept. knows more about it than I do. I fix cars for a living.

As for letterhead, it's not going to happen. I post here under anonymity, and that's the way it's going to stay.

I find a lot of discussions here end this way. Once they've reached the point where they can't argue with you they start challenging your credentials because they just don't believe it.

You know what? I don't care. You don't believe I have the experience I say I do, then fine. I was merely trying to have a conversation when I was called an idiot by somebody who obviously isn't mentally equipped to argue his point. Shame on me for sinking to his level.