Come to the Toyota shop, where I work, Pal! We have a shop full of cars getting engines and transmissions, idiot.
Come to the Toyota shop, where I work, Pal! We have a shop full of cars getting engines and transmissions, idiot.
I work for in the wholesale auto industry. We sell over 6000 cars a week, of all makes. I know whats breaking down believe me.
And until you show me pictures of twenty Toyotas in a row getting engines you can go piss up a rope.
An auction, or what? Please define what you mean, when you say you work for the wholesale auto industry. Who is we, when you say "we sell over 6000 cars a week"?
Originally posted by: compuwiz1
The Tundra is trying to be a real truck, but the good ol boys, with real work to do laugh at them. Now they just have more reason to laugh. Go Chevy, Ford and Dodge. People who need a real truck don't buy an ugly assed truck wannabe. The ridgeline as a truck, now that's a different kind of joke. LOL
I'm in the automotive business. I love these braniacs who don't buy warranties on Toyotas because they think they never break. Come and look in our service department on any given day, then tell me Toyotas don't break down. "Sir, may I call your attention to that transfer case on the floor over there? "
Ha! I totally agree! I was waiting for the TPS to fail! (Toyota Production System) They are trying to do too much....and plus who wants a plastic bedliner with plastic tiedowns? (Honda "trucks" with its lockable in bed liner). A real truck needs a steel bed with a Line-x liner. Trucks are meant for carying large payloads around...if you dont do that...get an SUV!
Yes, a wholesale automobile auction. The third largest in the country. That's as specific as I'm going to get. Most of the cars on our lot are less than 8 years old, some are brand new. Pretty much any make and model. I've worked there for over 20 years as the service dept manager. We move over 600 cars a month through my shop alone and I can say that I've seen certain trends over time. Having to fix more Toyotas and Hondas than Chryslers isn't one of them.
I've been called a lot of names over the years, but never an idiot when it comes to cars. Believe what you want.
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Another "new release" blunder on Toyota's part. The Tacoma had it's share of problems when it came out new. The Avalon was worse. The new Camry was criticized for cost cutting measures. Now this.
This one is worst though. Truck buyers are some of the most loyal consumers out there. When you try to market your truck as a bigger, tougher, better...and your engines are imploding after a couple thousand miles of use that makes for one hard sell.
This one is worst though. Truck buyers are some of the most loyal consumers out there. When you try to market your truck as a bigger, tougher, better...and your engines are imploding after a couple thousand miles of use that makes for one hard sell.
Demon-Xanth
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Knew this. I know you don't work in the real automotive world. I work for a franchised Toyota dealer, as well as GMC, Pontiac and Buick. Visit my shop, and you will never say what you did.
I'd like to know more about this problem. How does a camshaft kill an engine?
Are there casting flaws that are opening up and dumping sand into the engine or something?
Are there casting flaws that are opening up and dumping sand into the engine or something?
Honda had transmission failure because of lubrication problems ...
has nothing to do with what the poster who first called it out is talking about
has nothing to do with what the poster who first called it out is talking about
The tundra isn't a real truck....real trucks only have I6 and burns clouds of black smoke when you get on the skinny pedal!
AHAHAHAHAHHHAAAA!!!
Excuse me while I pick myself up off the floor.
"don't work in the real automotive world" - man that's rich!
I promise you we sell more Toyotas, GMCs, Pontiacs and Buicks than you do.
You do realize that auctions like the one I work for have a huge effect on the economy as far as used car pricing and to a certain extent, new car pricing? Black book and NADA values are correlated from auction market reports that we and other auctions publish bi-weekly among other things. If the used car market fluctuates, then you better believe it has an effect on how many new you cars you sell at your Toyota dealership.
I don't think you realize what a big business vehicle remarketing is. Our nearest competitor Manheim Auctions has over 140 auctions world wide. Go to any used car lot (and a lot of new car dealers lots) and you'll find that a large number of cars went across an auction block at one point. All rental car fleets and lease companies send their vehicles to wholesale auction.
You look at what goes through your little shop and think you can call yourself an expert? I see the number of cars you do times fifty.
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Originally posted by: Jawo
Originally posted by: compuwiz1
The Tundra is trying to be a real truck, but the good ol boys, with real work to do laugh at them. Now they just have more reason to laugh. Go Chevy, Ford and Dodge. People who need a real truck don't buy an ugly assed truck wannabe. The ridgeline as a truck, now that's a different kind of joke. LOL
I'm in the automotive business. I love these braniacs who don't buy warranties on Toyotas because they think they never break. Come and look in our service department on any given day, then tell me Toyotas don't break down. "Sir, may I call your attention to that transfer case on the floor over there? "
Ha! I totally agree! I was waiting for the TPS to fail! (Toyota Production System) They are trying to do too much....and plus who wants a plastic bedliner with plastic tiedowns? (Honda "trucks" with its lockable in bed liner). A real truck needs a steel bed with a Line-x liner. Trucks are meant for carying large payloads around...if you dont do that...get an SUV!
Tundra is the joke of the boat docks here amongst the fishermen. Everyone here has either a F-150, or a Silverado 1500. Many people come with F-250's and Silverado HD's... very perdy trucks
. On the SUV side, you see mostly Tahoes, with some Suburbans and Expeditions. We use a Ford Bronco, along with a Ford Expedition now.No one around here drives Tacoma's and Tundras. And I'm certain it partly has to do with brand loyalty. But many experienced fisherman also have seen the light that these trucks ARE NOT TRUCK! They are plastic toys!
These people come in with their Tundras and sometimes even have the audacity to comment on the old looks of F-150s, 1500s on the lot. But I have yet to see a Tundra pull more than a 15ft. boat up our ramp. I'll never forget the time a dude bent the 20" rims that come on his Tundra after he backed into a pothole on our ramp. I've backed into that hole dozens of times with not one problem. But I guess that's what happens when you put paper thin tires on a work truck. And yet even the lowly F-150s pull out the 20ft. Commanches without a problem, and without sounding like a jet engine taking off.
Tundras and Tacomas here are a joke. We do work here, it's like buying a Raidmax case and saying its better because it has more blinking lights than a Lian-Li.
While that may be true, and it is that wholesale auto auctions see lots of vehicles, the auction companies never see the used cars dealers take in and keep for resale. You see typically the used cars that are the rejects from new car dealers that used car----esp. the buy-here-pay-here ones----dealers are buying. So, it makes sense that you see a lot of service on those high mileage, rarely-taken-care-of castoffs taken as tradeins at dealers then shipped off to the auctions to dispose of them. Granted, you also see cars that are returned after their lease expires, rental cars from car rental agencies, occassinally a hot seller that a dealer may be able to sell over MSRP in the car auctions, exotic cars, either new or used, that some collector dealers are trying to sell......but the vast majority typically are used cars over 4 years old that most major dealers don't want on their lots.
My brother has owned, for roughly 20+ years, one repair shop that's part of a fair sized chain in No. Va.......and they see as many imports with problems as domestics, esp. the newer models. Now, it's true it's a smallish shop compared to a dealer.....only 10 bays and 7 mechanics, but they see quite a volume of vehicles....and honestly, the problems they routinely see, no matter the brand or whatever, is electrics and transmissions. Rare to have a lot of engine problems these days.
BTW...........you work for one of the Manheim auction sites?
And about auto auction, always remember one thing: everybody lies. They lie about how much money they have invested in the car, they lie about prior accidents, claiming "not to my knowledge", or "the previous owner assured me the damage from the wreck was minor". They all skirt the law by hiding behind open ended statements like that, and "AS IS" documents that they make you sign, so remember, everybody lies, trust no one, the only person looking out for you is you.
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Originally posted by: lupi
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Originally posted by: AmigaMan
Originally posted by: The Cornballer
Trollyota!
even more reason to stick with the tried and true red white and blue!
* gonna buy me a ford truck and cruise it up and down the road!!!
...and built in Mexico.
There are Hondas made in Mexico too. Who gives a crap?
It matters if you are going to make a dumbass statement like I'm buying a Chevy or Ford cause they are american.
yeah, because dearborn truck, norfolk assembly, and kansas city assembly are in mexico.
A popular misconception. We have dealers and lease fleet companies bringing in cars from all over the country. It's more a function of how the market changes from one part of the country to another, vs. cars they just can't get rid of. For example, we have dealers crossing the country to buy Saabs - they pay to ship them back to the west coast because they're so hot over there (convertibles). Figure $900 to transport a Saab from coast to the other, and they still make money. Don't get me wrong, we have our share of high mileage AS-IS vehicles (and yes, problem cars), but we're far from a salvage auction.
What I'm seeing is poor quality control and the differences in how the various manufacturers deal with them. For example, GMs refusal to admit there is a problem with engine knocks in their V8s, or excessive drivetrain backlash in their differentials never ceases to amaze me. I actually sat with a GM drivetrain engineer a few months ago - after much barrading he admitted they know there's a problem, but don't care as those increased manufacturing tolerances mean they can build them faster. That's the whole philosophy of the american automaker. It's all about dollars. The meetings they have to discuss engineering are populated by accountants, not engineers. They decide they have X amount of dollars to spend and that's it. He told me that in stark contrast a Toyota meeting goes like this. They literally put several pictures on the wall which represent several solutions to the same problem. The head engineer walks in and looks at each picture and based on what he knows is the best solution makes a selection. Then it's up to the accountants to figure out how to pay for it.
No, I work for one of their competitors.
And about auto auction, always remember one thing: everybody lies. They lie about how much money they have invested in the car, they lie about prior accidents, claiming "not to my knowledge", or "the previous owner assured me the damage from the wreck was minor". They all skirt the law by hiding behind open ended statements like that, and "AS IS" documents that they make you sign, so remember, everybody lies, trust no one, the only person looking out for you is you.
Which brings up one of my functions on "auction day". I work in the "arbitration" department. It's my job to make a call on problems like those. If a certain dealer is guilty of trying to pass off vehicles with unibody damage or what not, we don't let them get away with it for very long.
lupi
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Did I say they were? But the Oshawa, Ramos Arizpe, Ste. Therese, Silao, Shanghai, Shenyanh, Pleukdang, Campbellfield, Chongqing, Cologne, Cuautitlan, Tamil Nadu, Chung Li, Selangor, Pretoria, Santa Rosa, Leningrad, Genk, Hai Duong, Hermosillo, Oakville, St Thomas probably aren't US locations.
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