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Meghan54

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They're employees and a new boss is coming to town. They don't get to tell the legal oversight authority to leave them alone.

I'm still waiting for a reference/link to the law that compels the DoE employees to answer that intrusive questionnaire from Trump's people.
 

compuwiz1

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I'm still waiting for a reference/link to the law that compels the DoE employees to answer that intrusive questionnaire from Trump's people.

As POTUS, they are accountable to him. Not, yet, as PEOTUS, but eventually, he's gonna want an inventory of that department. It makes perfect sense. If it's bloated, with a bunch of dead weight, there will be cost savings in trimming the fat.

Interesting read addressing all of the questions:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/12/10/the-doe-vs-ugly-reality/
 

fskimospy

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You don't want a nuclear physicist to run an out of control department, you want someone that will take names and kick some ass.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/...-climate-change/?WT.mc_id=SA_TW_ENGYSUS_NEWS#
The people in power at the Department of Energy seem to think that their taxpayer funded employees don't have to answer routine questions to an incoming administration about what they did, where they went and how much it cost the taxpayers to pay for it.

You seem really angry that people aren't willing to roll over to your demands.

You should get used to it. They are better than you.
 

Paratus

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As POTUS, they are accountable to him. Not, yet, as PEOTUS, but eventually, he's gonna want an inventory of that department. It makes perfect sense. If it's bloated, with a bunch of dead weight, there will be cost savings in trimming the fat.

Interesting read addressing all of the questions:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/12/10/the-doe-vs-ugly-reality/

Besides the obvious gloating, it's got a lot of whining about how denier sites were persecuted. I don't particularly have a problem with that. Science isn't politics. There is usually a side supported by theory and one that isn't. Sides that are unsupported don't deserve to be treated as equal.

Wattsupwiththat does nothing more than cherrypick data and misinterpret other work. If they truly were interested in the science then they should do some and support their positions. Otherwise it's fine to lump them in with moon landing hoaxers, antivaxxers, homeopathy, etc.
 

FIVR

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I like me some Rick Perry. This is an excellent pic, IMO he will have a good handle on things. You don't wear glasses like that unless you're pretty bright.
 

agent00f

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Tell us, did we ever get to see Obama's college transcripts after over 8 years? Just and answer and a link please.

You don't want a nuclear physicist to run an out of control department, you want someone that will take names and kick some ass.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/...-climate-change/?WT.mc_id=SA_TW_ENGYSUS_NEWS#
The people in power at the Department of Energy seem to think that their taxpayer funded employees don't have to answer routine questions to an incoming administration about what they did, where they went and how much it cost the taxpayers to pay for it.

How do you expect anyone to believe that anyone is willing to confer someone like you some sort of college degree?
 

jeff_in_MD

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I like me some Rick Perry. This is an excellent pic, IMO he will have a good handle on things. You don't wear glasses like that unless you're pretty bright.
That's what I said about Sara Palin, that and she had that naughty librarian look.
 

Homerboy

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Maybe this has already been posted, but news to me:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/12/rick-perry-dakota-access-pipeline-donald-trump

Donald Trump's pick to run the Energy Department also happens to be the favorite politician of the company attempting to build the Dakota Access Pipeline. For the past two years, former Texas Gov. Rick Perry has held a paid position on the board of directors of Texas-based Energy Transfer Partners, the company behind the controversial project.
 

bshole

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Besides the obvious gloating, it's got a lot of whining about how denier sites were persecuted. I don't particularly have a problem with that. Science isn't politics. There is usually a side supported by theory and one that isn't. Sides that are unsupported don't deserve to be treated as equal.

Wattsupwiththat does nothing more than cherrypick data and misinterpret other work. If they truly were interested in the science then they should do some and support their positions. Otherwise it's fine to lump them in with moon landing hoaxers, antivaxxers, homeopathy, etc.

Could you deconstruct the story below for me? Are they presenting to scientists? Are they publishing a scientific peer-reviewed paper? You are much better at chasing this stuff down than myself. Is this an instance of Anthony trying to fake prestige?


December 14th, 2016 – San Francisco, CA – A new study about the role of water vapor in climate sensitivity is being presented at the 2016 Fall Meeting of the American Geophysical Union today by Willis Eschenbach and Anthony Watts in session A33B: Climate Sensitivity and Feedbacks: Advances and New Paradigms, in Moscone South Poster Hall at 1:10PM to 6PM December 14th, position A33B-0226.

The study, using satellite measured water vapor data obtained from Remote Sensing Systems (RSS) of Santa Rosa, CA, suggests that the global climate sensitivity to increased carbon dioxide, and the potential feedback mechanism of increased water vapor in Earth’s atmosphere, is actually far less than postulated by the IPCC.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/12...apor-radiative-forcing-our-agu16-presentation
 
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FIVR

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I think we need to settle down, and ask ourselves: Could Putin's Policies be that much worse than the current insanity proposed by Paul Ryan and the rest of the GOP? Perhaps Trump will merely enrich himself, and leave other countries alone (not fight wars). Maybe Trump will destroy so much of the american economy that we are unable to dredge and strip mine the rest of the planet. Maybe... just maybe Trump is the world's best friend. He will save the war fighting for when he cancels the 2020 elections and declares himself Ruler of America For Life.


Putin most definitely does believe in Climate Change and the Russian people are by far more educated than the US populace on average.

In an even darker, sadder, but equally likely outcome where Trump is the savior of the world: The rest of the planet unites together against the Evil Authoritarian Fascist Trump State and defeats us militarily, we are then administered by a sane global Euro and Asian council while the climate-change denying retards are forced to go to school and learn why they are retards. US is gov by world council for next 50 years.
 

momeNt

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My guess is that Rick Perry is a sockpuppet who knows how to shake hands and be "politician-like". The real energy secretary is Elon Musk. This is classic Trump.
 

VRAMdemon

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Trump's cabinet picks look like the Dream Team Government Demolition squad. As they go along, neutering the efforts of generations of dedicated teams within their new departments, there will be plenty of grief across the country to be absorbed, while from the Trump Tower, we might get a tweet or two whose thrust is "Don't worry, after we destroy everything, we are going to be Yugely Happy with the result. America will be Great Again!"

Can't you just imagine the crowd of factory workers, hundreds of them all across Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin, marching out to the brownfield down by the river, waiting for the construction equipment to arrive, followed by the HR hiring people?

Contrast, 'Riverbend' in Buffalo, where an actual immense factory is built that employed a couple of thousand construction people for two years, followed by permanent employment of almost 2000 people thereafter, all for the manufacture of various sorts of solar panels. One heck of a big deal, but, we have been adding 200000 jobs a month to the payrolls for the past 6 years. Are factory jobs so vital that 200000 of them spread out over 4 states, as an example, if they even happen, will satisfy the needs of millions of factory workers whose jobs went overseas where lower overall labor costs are 20% of what we have in the USA?

Face it, when factory workers and construction workers are willing to do their work for $7/hour, jobs will begin trickling back to those brownfields. To really make everything work profitably, though, companies will invest in automation and robotics that minimize the need for actual flesh and blood people with flesh and blood problems.
 

BonzaiDuck

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Haha, awesome. 'Rooting out partisans' of course is known in other words as an ideological purge.

Pretty great how quickly the mask has fallen away.

They already started subverting the civil service in the late '80s. A series of news events with "external" views of various agencies through the controversial news would statistically suggest that the corruption of the career service proceeded under Bush.

Trump has proven to be totally ignorant as to how and why this works. The purpose of the career service is to assure that laws, regulations and agency mission not compromised at a political level continue to function at a conscionable level of efficiency and -- especially -- reliability.

By contrast, Trump's fantasy life and real business practice has been a long history of saying "you're fired" and "I won't pay you what I owe."

The radical neo-cons have been trying to do this for some time. If you had instances when they would try and pervert the purpose of some data-gathering and analysis for use as a news-item showing they had "done something" when they hadn't, you also had an infiltration of partisans into jobs that were not meant to reward partisan loyalty. They were meant to make the government function.

They want to drown it in a bathtub; they want to cripple it through means other than the legislative process or court rulings.

I see a lot of needless carnage down the road, and encourage one or all to write to their legislators to press the hacking and possible treason investigation, find every case with conflict of interest and pursue it in the courts, with reasonable media exposure, filibuster or any other means to obstruct and destroy this presidency.

A minority of people with electoral leverage imposed a Disgusting Pig on the nation as a whole for up to four years. Those people, I have no doubt, are also Disgusting Pigs.
 

Paratus

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Could you deconstruct the story below for me? Are they presenting to scientists? Are they publishing a scientific peer-reviewed paper? You are much better at chasing this stuff down than myself. Is this an instance of Anthony trying to fake prestige?

Looks like they are presenting to scientists. I can't seem to find an abstract or paper anywhere online so I'm not sure what they are actually presenting, but it doesn't seem to be peer reviewed.

From what little about the presentation I found from your link it looks like they are trying to make the case that climate sensitivity is low to CO2 and water vapor because mid-troposphere temperatures increased slowly. As the mid-troposphere only holds a small fraction of Earths thermal budget I don't think they'll get much traction.

If they manage to publish something, (preferably in a peer reviewed reputable journal), I'll take another look.
 

zinfamous

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He can certainly get started on it, and wait for the House/Senate to authorize it. As it said in my post. There's a number of things Gov. Perry can get started on in regards to Executive orders, changes in policy, rooting out partisans etc. to get the ball rolling.

It seems like you are more interested in living in your beloved Saudi Arabia. I don't think the American Republic is the type of government that you understand.
 

Jhhnn

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Nov 11, 1999
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They already started subverting the civil service in the late '80s. A series of news events with "external" views of various agencies through the controversial news would statistically suggest that the corruption of the career service proceeded under Bush.

Trump has proven to be totally ignorant as to how and why this works. The purpose of the career service is to assure that laws, regulations and agency mission not compromised at a political level continue to function at a conscionable level of efficiency and -- especially -- reliability.

By contrast, Trump's fantasy life and real business practice has been a long history of saying "you're fired" and "I won't pay you what I owe."

The radical neo-cons have been trying to do this for some time. If you had instances when they would try and pervert the purpose of some data-gathering and analysis for use as a news-item showing they had "done something" when they hadn't, you also had an infiltration of partisans into jobs that were not meant to reward partisan loyalty. They were meant to make the government function.

They want to drown it in a bathtub; they want to cripple it through means other than the legislative process or court rulings.

I see a lot of needless carnage down the road, and encourage one or all to write to their legislators to press the hacking and possible treason investigation, find every case with conflict of interest and pursue it in the courts, with reasonable media exposure, filibuster or any other means to obstruct and destroy this presidency.

A minority of people with electoral leverage imposed a Disgusting Pig on the nation as a whole for up to four years. Those people, I have no doubt, are also Disgusting Pigs.

Agreed, except for the last paragraph. I think that most Trump voters are much more sinned against than sinners. Decades of relentless right wing propaganda have taken their toll on too many of us. They've fostered astounding negativity & really shitty resentful attitudes, directed that against the rest of America.

I'm sure Trump & the Repubs will give them reason to think harder about it next time. Oh yes they will.
 

agent00f

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Agreed, except for the last paragraph. I think that most Trump voters are much more sinned against than sinners. Decades of relentless right wing propaganda have taken their toll on too many of us. They've fostered astounding negativity & really shitty resentful attitudes, directed that against the rest of America.

I'm sure Trump & the Repubs will give them reason to think harder about it next time. Oh yes they will.

No, it was always there. Liberal is just the new black.