Energy pick is Trump's administration personified!

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Jhhnn

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He can certainly get started on it, and wait for the House/Senate to authorize it. As it said in my post. There's a number of things Gov. Perry can get started on in regards to Executive orders, changes in policy, rooting out partisans etc. to get the ball rolling.

Rooting out the partisans... you mean those who believe in science? I suppose it's a necessary step in creating a post truth version of reality.
 
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Again - how can he get started on it? He doesn't have the authority to redirect funds towards achieving that goal.
Are you seriously contending that as Secretary of the Department of Energy that Gov. Perry won't have the power and authority to make major changes to the DOE at the direction of President Trump? As if the last 8 years of Obama hasn't given you a clue about what the Administration can do, even without the majority in the House and the Senate? You're cute.
 
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Are you seriously contending that as Secretary of the Department of Energy that Gov. Perry won't have the power and authority to make major changes to the DOE at the direction of President Trump? As if the last 8 years of Obama hasn't given you a clue about what the Administration can do, even without the majority in the House and the Senate? You're cute.
You're talking about shutting down an agency, not "changing policy" - stop trying to move the goal posts. The SoE has the power to alter policy, as does the president, but that doesn't mean they have the power to shut down the agency or start shutting down the agency.

You can't use changes in policy to move the agency outside the scope of its statutory authorization, use funds outside of what they were authorized for, nor re-appropriate funds for other purposes without an act of Congress.
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And though the SoE has the power to alter policy overall, major changes still have to go through federal rule-making laws. They can't just change things overnight.
 
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You're talking about shutting down an agency, not "changing policy". The SoE has the power to alter policy, as does the president, but that doesn't mean they have the power to shut down the agency or start shutting down the agency.
You're just tap dancing on semantics. Reining in the DOE will be easy, cutting funding will be easy, limiting it's scope will be easy. What will be difficult is getting the House and the Senate to actually eliminate it, but it's a start.
 
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You're just tap dancing on semantics. Reining in the DOE will be easy, cutting funding will be easy, limiting it's scope will be easy. What will be difficult is getting the House and the Senate to actually eliminate it, but it's a start.
No, you're just backing away from your original premise because you couldn't back it up.
 
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No, you're just backing away from your original premise because you couldn't back it up.
Oh yes, this of course. Sorry in my excitement over the fact that Gov. Perry has stated he wants to eliminate the DOE, that Ronald Reagan wanted to eliminate the DOE and the DOE has refused to answer the Transition teams questions for President-elect Trump that somehow, someway there may be a movement to eliminate the DOE. I'm really, really sorry i made such a monumental error. Please forgive me.
 

Meghan54

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Well, if Trump manages to shut down the DoE, it'll be interesting to find out how much we really spend on nukes, finally, since all funding for nukes is done through the DoE. Wonder where the funding for our nukes will be hidden next if the DoE is abolished.....like that'll happen.
 

brycejones

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Well, if Trump manages to shut down the DoE, it'll be interesting to find out how much we really spend on nukes, finally, since all funding for nukes is done through the DoE. Wonder where the funding for our nukes will be hidden next if the DoE is abolished.....like that'll happen.

Wait the DOE does more than kill coal, play with windmills and plan to replace the country's electrical generating capacity with bike based generators in rural areas?
 

glenn1

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repeat after me: coal ain't coming back. it's dead.

You seemingly have this very strange belief that conservatives want the demise of the DoE for the primary if not sole reason of promoting coal. Which would be the rough equivalent of buying an airplane just so you could get the "free" peanuts in the galley.
 

dank69

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You seemingly have this very strange belief that conservatives want the demise of the DoE for the primary if not sole reason of promoting coal. Which would be the rough equivalent of buying an airplane just so you could get the "free" peanuts in the galley.
What is it that you want then? More excess oil?
 

ElFenix

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You seemingly have this very strange belief that conservatives want the demise of the DoE for the primary if not sole reason of promoting coal. Which would be the rough equivalent of buying an airplane just so you could get the "free" peanuts in the galley.
You seem to have this very strange belief that you can hear other people's thoughts.
 
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You're just tap dancing on semantics. Reining in the DOE will be easy, cutting funding will be easy, limiting it's scope will be easy. What will be difficult is getting the House and the Senate to actually eliminate it, but it's a start.

Looking forward to the new regime in the Dept. Energy. Time to get the US working again.

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CLite

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Hopefully he can start shutting down the agency until the House/Senate can vote on it. After all Ronald Reagan was in favor of eliminating the Department of Energy.
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/1983/03/why-reagan-should-keep-his-word-and-shut-down-doe
Trump, just following in the footsteps of Reagan.

Are you aware that the majority (over 50%) of the DOE budget is related to maintaining our nuclear arsenal and processing legacy waste from the Manhattan Project era? Beyond that majority of spending, the next highest allocation is for all the laboratories performing cutting edge research in a plethora of non-partisan scientific fields. Further down the ladder of funding you begin to enter the world of partisan (according to republican contemporaries) spending on things like clean energy which totals to less than 10% of the budget. This is an incredibly non-partisan agency which due to science has recently begun to look at climate change, although it's far from it's top priority as evidenced by funding patterns.

The management of some of the DOE sites is shameful and contractor incompetence is all too often forgiven/encouraged (i.e. Bechtel wasting billions at Hanford). Intelligent leadership rather than ape-like chest thumping is required to fix these issues and shepherd our nuclear arsenal, the various Manhattan Era sites and laboratories. I've worked with this agency, and there are plenty of things I would slash and burn about it. I honestly didn't think there could be more incompetence in the world than I saw in some instances working with the DOE until I stumbled across your posts here.

If Trump appointed a no-nonsense, intelligent manager whom wasn't interested in clean energy I would be fine with it because for that particular agency there are larger issues to address (like leaking nuclear waste). However, the particular bootlicking clown he has nominated is non of the above.
 
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Are you aware that the majority (over 50%) of the DOE budget is related to maintaining our nuclear arsenal and processing legacy waste from the Manhattan Project era? Beyond that majority of spending, the next highest allocation is for all the laboratories performing cutting edge research in a plethora of non-partisan scientific fields. Further down the ladder of funding you begin to enter the world of partisan (according to republican contemporaries) spending on things like clean energy which totals to less than 10% of the budget. This is an incredibly non-partisan agency which due to science has recently begun to look at climate change, although it's far from it's top priority as evidenced by funding patterns.

The management of some of the DOE sites is shameful and contractor incompetence is all too often forgiven/encouraged (i.e. Bechtel wasting billions at Hanford). Intelligent leadership rather than ape-like chest thumping is required to fix these issues and shepherd our nuclear arsenal, the various Manhattan Era sites and laboratories. I've worked with this agency, and there are plenty of things I would slash and burn about it. I honestly didn't think there could be more incompetence in the world than I saw in some instances working with the DOE until I stumbled across your posts here.

If Trump appointed a no-nonsense, intelligent manager whom wasn't interested in clean energy I would be fine with it because for that particular agency there are larger issues to address (like leaking nuclear waste). However, the particular bootlicking clown he has nominated is non of the above.
Shuttle nuclear energy, resources, protection and the arsenal to Homeland security. Get rid of a shitload of bureaucratic cancers on the way.
 

sportage

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Hey.... I'm good. At least I didn't vote for the guy. :D
I think all of this is fucking hilarious. And exactly what people deserve.
Or as old Mr Potter called them in the movie It's A Wonderful Life.... "the suckers".
And remember, there is always Canada, or France, or the warm waters and white beaches of beautiful Barcelona.
Let "the suckers" wallow in the swamp of Donald Trump, I'm off to sunny Brazil. ;)
 

repoman0

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lol.

Cut him some slack, I think he's under the impression people here read his posts for something `other than entertainment.

I don't think he has that impression ... he's admitted to being fully aware that he's a partisan hack.
 

CLite

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Shuttle nuclear energy, resources, protection and the arsenal to Homeland security. Get rid of a shitload of bureaucratic cancers on the way.

So your proposal to improve the DOE's management of our nuclear arsenal, Manhattan Sites, and cutting edge laboratories is to have the agency that brought us the TSA manage it? I hold out hope that Trump proves smarter than his supporters, albeit not the toughest of standards.