Energizer 400VA UPS $9.99 after MIR's at CC
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Anyone know if these are any good? A friend has an APC Back-UPS ES 350VA (model APC BE350U, the black flat one) but needs another to go with it (one for monitor, one for PC). With PC plugged into one and 19" CRT monitor plugged into another, how long could these keep it going if the main power went out?
Also I've got two of the vertical white ones, the Back-UPS 300 (BK300C), as seen here (only 2 AC, 9 pin serial port, and 4 DIP switches for alarm on back).
These are quite a bit better than the Energizer 400VA, correct?
Also I've got two of the vertical white ones, the Back-UPS 300 (BK300C), as seen here (only 2 AC, 9 pin serial port, and 4 DIP switches for alarm on back).
These are quite a bit better than the Energizer 400VA, correct?
I got in on the last Staples APC 500 deal. Now I have one of the 350's powering just the network gear. BTW, the white vertical APC's last longer then those little cheap black power strip looking ones.
shelbY
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These little UPSes are useless for just about everything. The ones that support AVR are useful for protecting basic equipment, but I'd only trust real valuable equipment to a high end UPS like an APC (Back UPS Pro, Smart UPS, Matrix UPS, et al).
Sam's Club is _still_ selling the APC Back UPS Pro 1100 (repackaged Pro 1000) for around $118 before tax. If you're a member that's an extremely good deal on a UPS that does 670W. I had mine running 2 x 220W PSUs and 1 x 320W (yes, > 670W, but boxes don't draw the full load practically ever) and it lasted 30 minutes before I got bored and plugged the UPS back into the wall. It's a solid piece of equipment with APC's standard high quality warranty for damaged equipment.
I'm thinking about getting another. For that price it's _very_ hot.
Sam's Club is _still_ selling the APC Back UPS Pro 1100 (repackaged Pro 1000) for around $118 before tax. If you're a member that's an extremely good deal on a UPS that does 670W. I had mine running 2 x 220W PSUs and 1 x 320W (yes, > 670W, but boxes don't draw the full load practically ever) and it lasted 30 minutes before I got bored and plugged the UPS back into the wall. It's a solid piece of equipment with APC's standard high quality warranty for damaged equipment.
I'm thinking about getting another. For that price it's _very_ hot.
I call shens:
Back-UPS Pro 1000VA
Part Number : BP1000
Runtime
Typical backup time at half load 18.6 minutes (335 Watts)
Typical backup time at full load 6.6 minutes (670 Watts)
Runtime Chart Back-UPS Pro
I did in-store pickup in Wichita. I have seen surge protectors cost more than what you will pay on this deal.
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Yeah... I use to think APC was pretty good.... We bought a lot of them for work. For home I buy belkin for a couple of reasons. 1, the price. 2, perfromance, 3, software is way better then APC imo... And I've never had a problem with Belkin. I say 'Nay' to APC.
This Belkin UPS is rated at 1200VA (670W) for up to 100 minutes of backup time. It has 6 outlets (4 battery backup and 2 surge protected). Features serial and USB ports, and a 3 year product warranty. This can be had for about 100.00 with 20 bucks shipping. Tho they come on sale at bestbuy or buy.com for around 100 bucks with free shipping... Got to time your purchase if you want the best price as usual. I got the 800VA from bestbuy for 69.00 shipped and a 30.00 MIR. Not too bad for 40 bucks.
Yeah, I'm sure this energizer isn't that great of a UPS. But, well, for 10 bucks it's better then nothing for an old server I got in the third bedroom.
Also, don't try to get 2 or 3 of these unless you got lots of friends that you want to have a 20 and 30 dollar rebate mailed to you. as it's one rebate per household. I thought about getting a few more for TV's and Stereo Equipment.
LINKY
This Belkin UPS is rated at 1200VA (670W) for up to 100 minutes of backup time. It has 6 outlets (4 battery backup and 2 surge protected). Features serial and USB ports, and a 3 year product warranty. This can be had for about 100.00 with 20 bucks shipping. Tho they come on sale at bestbuy or buy.com for around 100 bucks with free shipping... Got to time your purchase if you want the best price as usual. I got the 800VA from bestbuy for 69.00 shipped and a 30.00 MIR. Not too bad for 40 bucks.
Yeah, I'm sure this energizer isn't that great of a UPS. But, well, for 10 bucks it's better then nothing for an old server I got in the third bedroom.
Also, don't try to get 2 or 3 of these unless you got lots of friends that you want to have a 20 and 30 dollar rebate mailed to you. as it's one rebate per household. I thought about getting a few more for TV's and Stereo Equipment.
LINKY
Still wondering how long one of these could power a PC only, or a monitor only.
The Belkin you mention for $100 at BB, is showing there now at $170. Are you including occasional MIRs they might have or what?
The neoseeker review linked above states that lightning can get in through your home LAN. And while I don't know about DSL, I asked (on here I think) if it could get in through my cable connection and was told if the line to the house is grounded, which all should be unless whoever ran the line to the house screwed up, lightning won't enter the house.
If it can power a PC for 30 seconds, I'd say it's worth $10. That's plenty of time to save something you might be working on.Originally posted by: ericlp
Yeah... I use to think APC was pretty good.... We bought a lot of them for work. For home I buy belkin for a couple of reasons. 1, the price. 2, perfromance, 3, software is way better then APC imo... And I've never had a problem with Belkin. I say 'Nay' to APC.
This Belkin UPS is rated at 1200VA (670W) for up to 100 minutes of backup time. It has 6 outlets (4 battery backup and 2 surge protected). Features serial and USB ports, and a 3 year product warranty. This can be had for about 100.00 with 20 bucks shipping. Tho they come on sale at bestbuy or buy.com for around 100 bucks with free shipping... Got to time your purchase if you want the best price as usual. I got the 800VA from bestbuy for 69.00 shipped and a 30.00 MIR. Not too bad for 40 bucks.
Yeah, I'm sure this energizer isn't that great of a UPS. But, well, for 10 bucks it's better then nothing for an old server I got in the third bedroom.
LINKY
The Belkin you mention for $100 at BB, is showing there now at $170. Are you including occasional MIRs they might have or what?
This page says the 1100VA has a noise level of 50 dBA. Is that true? Does it have fans or something? Aftering spending the time and money to have a quiet PC, that's all I need is a loud UPS. Also, I don't use the software that comes in these.
The neoseeker review linked above states that lightning can get in through your home LAN. And while I don't know about DSL, I asked (on here I think) if it could get in through my cable connection and was told if the line to the house is grounded, which all should be unless whoever ran the line to the house screwed up, lightning won't enter the house.
that 400AV won't last for 30mins with both the Monitor and PC. But it will last for awhile. I tested out with only my 19" monitor load and it lasted for about 35mins.
What the software really does is tell you how much power you have left. And warn you if it's too low. It even have an option to shut off your PC. I think this is good to have if you have a server or something that stay on all the time. If power go out and you not there, then this UPS can shut down your PC safely.
You get what you pay for. If you need advanced monitoring capabilities like battery runtime and load average, you need a Smart UPS, not a Back UPS (Pro).
The Back UPS Pro 1000/1100 lasts for quite a while. Personally I'm more interested in extended runtime than nifty little numbers for a home solution.
I use Nut with the smart signaling cable. When the unit switches from on battery to critical I can still shut my systems down.
Seems silly to pass up a good deal, but to each his own.
The Back UPS Pro 1000/1100 lasts for quite a while. Personally I'm more interested in extended runtime than nifty little numbers for a home solution.
I use Nut with the smart signaling cable. When the unit switches from on battery to critical I can still shut my systems down.
Seems silly to pass up a good deal, but to each his own.
Wait until you guys check your email. Parago rejected my $30 rebate because they said it was purchased outside the rebate dates. The rebate form says 9/28/03-10/247/03, but they believe the rebate is only valid from "09-03-2003 to 09-20-2003". So until they get it straightened out, Parago will probably reject all $30 rebates for this item.
The CSR asked for a scan of the rebate form, which is really stupid because they have the original. I'll just call circuit city's rebate number Monday to get it straightened out. Parago is almost as stupid as TCA.
The CSR asked for a scan of the rebate form, which is really stupid because they have the original. I'll just call circuit city's rebate number Monday to get it straightened out. Parago is almost as stupid as TCA.
I think they're the same, yeah.
If a Back UPS Pro offered all the intelligent monitoring capabilities of the Smart UPS... Why does APC sell the Smart UPS line of products? Hmmm.
Anyway, Nut is the Network UPS daemon. It's a Unix daemon(s) that monitor the status of UPSes from many manufacturers. It's network aware, so you can shutdown multiple machines attached to the same UPS. You designate one machine as a master, the others as slaves. It'll also run arbritrary commands you specify based on power events, so it can page your cell phone for example, if there's a power event for some given duration.
I've gotten around to hooking up my Belkin 850VA UPS to a box running Nut. I'm curious what kind of indicators, if any, it offers. Belkin was nice enough to provide both USB and RS232 cables. To speak with the Back UPS Pro properly I had to buy a smart signaling cable. (You can make them yourself as well if you have the tools.)
I have no clue what your talking about. I know very little about any of these. I was seriously asking a question and didn't mean it in any negative way.
I asked because of the link I gave above.
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Originally posted by: Slickone
Still wondering how long one of these could power a PC only, or a monitor only.
If it can power a PC for 30 seconds, I'd say it's worth $10. That's plenty of time to save something you might be working on.
The Belkin you mention for $100 at BB, is showing there now at $170. Are you including occasional MIRs they might have or what?
This page says the 1100VA has a noise level of 50 dBA. Is that true? Does it have fans or something? Aftering spending the time and money to have a quiet PC, that's all I need is a loud UPS. Also, I don't use the software that comes in these.
Also the neoseeker review you linked states that lightning can get in through your home LAN. And while I don't know about DSL, I asked (on here I think) if it could get in through my cable connection and was told if the line to the house is grounded, which all should be unless whoever ran the line to the house screwed up, lightning won't enter the house.
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As to the question if lightning can get through the cable into your house (even with a ground) the answer is absolutely YES! I once had lightning zap a mailbox four houses away and the static ran through the ground to the buried tv cable and zapped my vcr and my tv. Homeowners insurance paid for the damage less the deductible. I now have my tv cable run through a panamax surge protector with coax ports before entering the cable modem. Lightning can get to anything across power lines, tel lines, tv cable, and if your house gets zapped there may be enough static electricity in the air to fry something. So try to isolate all incoming cables at the very least. Does anyone have any experience with the small APC RJ45 and coax surge protectors?
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Originally posted by: Slickone
Still wondering how long one of these could power a PC only, or a monitor only.
If it can power a PC for 30 seconds, I'd say it's worth $10. That's plenty of time to save something you might be working on.
The Belkin you mention for $100 at BB, is showing there now at $170. Are you including occasional MIRs they might have or what?
This page says the 1100VA has a noise level of 50 dBA. Is that true? Does it have fans or something? Aftering spending the time and money to have a quiet PC, that's all I need is a loud UPS. Also, I don't use the software that comes in these.
Also the neoseeker review you linked states that lightning can get in through your home LAN. And while I don't know about DSL, I asked (on here I think) if it could get in through my cable connection and was told if the line to the house is grounded, which all should be unless whoever ran the line to the house screwed up, lightning won't enter the house.
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As to the question if lightning can get through the cable into your house (even with a ground) the answer is absolutely YES! I once had lightning zap a mailbox four houses away and the static ran through the ground to the buried tv cable and zapped my vcr and my tv. Homeowners insurance paid for the damage less the deductible. I now have my tv cable run through a panamax surge protector with coax ports before entering the cable modem. Lightning can get to anything across power lines, tel lines, tv cable, and if your house gets zapped there may be enough static electricity in the air to fry something. So try to isolate all incoming cables at the very least. Does anyone have any experience with the small APC RJ45 and coax surge protectors?
It's pretty much a low-tier ups, so expect maybe 10 minutes runtime in a power failure, maybe less. it'll all depend on what your pc is drawing at the time.
What i can tell you specifically is that this is really poorly designed. This may have changed, i bought mine in early summer, so they may have altered it. The problem is that the power cable is routed right between two of the outlets (non-backup), which disables the use of a brick-type ac adaptor. it also (mine did, anyway) has a couple of protected rj-45 ports, and an rj45-to-rj11 (phone cord) adaptor, but only one. so if you want to protect a dialup line, you'll have to aquire another rj-45/rj11 cord.
Just something to think about, most UPSs use a 12volt battery inside. Most use a lead-acid battery, which unfortunately does not last very long, the charge/discharge is hard on it and after about 10 times it will start to significantly lose it's capacity. This kinda sucks as anyone with one of these that gets tested regularly knows.
However, what's cool is since they have a normal 12volt battery inside you can either replace the battery, or do what we did was put connectors on the outside to connect it to another battery, a deep-cycle car battery. The only downside to this is the UPS continously charges the batteries, which is called floating them, but most deepcycle batteries don't like that. There are some ones that will take it, mostly Optima ones I believe, that you could hook directly beside it and you'll get hours of backup.
The key here is most UPSs don't die, the batteries just get really low capacity and won't work for much, but the actual electronics is fine, and the electronics is nothing more than a glorified 12v->120v inverter.
So as long as you have the capacity you want in a UPS (i.e. 400watt), then for actual length of runtime, that all depends on the battery, which you can certainly modify. We have two here that we connect to deep cycle batteries when we need them, works perfect...not quite a clean as a all-in-one UPS but for a more techie approach works really good. Our batteries don't like to be continously charged, so we don't always have them connected, just when the power goes out, but with the right battery you could just have it always connected. Any normal car battery will take a float fine, that's exactly what a vehicle does when you drive it, but a normal car battery has about half of the reserve of a deep-cycle battery, still probably 10 times what was originally in the UPS though.
No this isn't thread-crapping, certainly not saying don't buy one, by all means by one, then just up the reserve on it.
However, what's cool is since they have a normal 12volt battery inside you can either replace the battery, or do what we did was put connectors on the outside to connect it to another battery, a deep-cycle car battery. The only downside to this is the UPS continously charges the batteries, which is called floating them, but most deepcycle batteries don't like that. There are some ones that will take it, mostly Optima ones I believe, that you could hook directly beside it and you'll get hours of backup.
The key here is most UPSs don't die, the batteries just get really low capacity and won't work for much, but the actual electronics is fine, and the electronics is nothing more than a glorified 12v->120v inverter.
So as long as you have the capacity you want in a UPS (i.e. 400watt), then for actual length of runtime, that all depends on the battery, which you can certainly modify. We have two here that we connect to deep cycle batteries when we need them, works perfect...not quite a clean as a all-in-one UPS but for a more techie approach works really good. Our batteries don't like to be continously charged, so we don't always have them connected, just when the power goes out, but with the right battery you could just have it always connected. Any normal car battery will take a float fine, that's exactly what a vehicle does when you drive it, but a normal car battery has about half of the reserve of a deep-cycle battery, still probably 10 times what was originally in the UPS though.
No this isn't thread-crapping, certainly not saying don't buy one, by all means by one, then just up the reserve on it.
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