Ender's Game Question: How Did His Friends Get To The ah heck World So Quickly?

[Maleficus]

Read the book

Also, Speaker > *

 

[WelshBloke]

the idea of killing off all the "buggerers" completely fits in with Orson Scott Card's bigoted world view.

OK thats put me off reading it then.

 

[Mo0o]

Read the book

Also, Speaker > *

He did read the book. He's just not very good at reading

 

[Maleficus]

OK thats put me off reading it then.

IMO his personal opinions do not negatively influence his books. You would be doing yourself a great disservice by not reading Speaker for the Dead, the whole series is good.

 

[WelshBloke]

IMO his personal opinions do not negatively influence his books. You would be doing yourself a great disservice by not reading Speaker for the Dead, the whole series is good.

I'd find it hard to get past the word ah heck used so liberally without s******ing, and that would remind me what a judgemental douche the author is, and that would kill the enjoyment for me.

Edit:Why is s******ing censored?

Edit2: sni*ggering ****** s******

Edit3:LOL thats quite funny.

 

[preslove]

srsly OP, you should work on your reading comprehension.



ps, the Enders saga is pretty over rated.

 

[hclarkjr]

the idea of killing off all the "buggerers" completely fits in with Orson Scott Card's bigoted world view.

if you read the whole series you would know that all of them were not killed

 

[yllus]

While I absolutely love Ender's Game, it feels like every book to follow in that universe degrades its story bit by bit. Ender becomes reviled by all. Bean's soooo much smarter than he is. Peter fights for the good of mankind in their own way. Ender's parents are actually almost as smart as their kids and knew exactly what they were all up to.

Card can't leave good enough alone. I get that he feels that there were multiple sub-stories to tell, but each of them feel so obviously designed to be "better" than the original. Gah.

 

[nageov3t]

if you read the whole series you would know that all of them were not killed

but he stopped calling them buggers after the first book

I read the original books and started reading the "Bean" books until the one scene where they talk about how fulfillment in life is only possible through popping out babies.

Bean was kind of a Mary Sue anyways.

 

[gorcorps]

Hmmmm... I never read the other books in the series. I should do that, and re-read Ender's Game again. Perfect excuse to go buy that Nook Color. Thanks guys, be back in a bit.

 

[yllus]

Bean was kind of a Mary Sue anyways.

Agree.

Hmmmm... I never read the other books in the series. I should do that, and re-read Ender's Game again. Perfect excuse to go buy that Nook Color. Thanks guys, be back in a bit.

Make sure to root it and use it as a tablet afterwards!

 

[gorcorps]

Make sure to root it and use it as a tablet afterwards!

Oh I know all about that already. There's a few long threads in the gadget forum that I've been following closely.

 

[zokudu]

I loved this whole series. I read Enders game when I was young and reread it when I was in high school and it was so much better. I'm going to go read it again.

 

[endervalentine]

srsly OP, you should work on your reading comprehension.



ps, the Enders saga is pretty over rated.

Any recs. on a better series in similar length? I personally loved the series although I'm not that big of reader myself so don't know what else is out there.

 

[nageov3t]

Any recs. on a better series in similar length? I personally loved the series although I'm not that big of reader myself so don't know what else is out there.

Issac Asimov's "Foundation" series.

 

[kinev]

At the end of the book, it is revealed that Ender's dreams were attempted communications from the Buggers. He also able to communicated with the unborn ah heck queen. Does it every explain how the Buggers can communicate with Ender?

[from what I remember] The ah heck queens had some type of organic telepathy that they used to communicate with the drones over vast distances. When the humans discovered that it was possible, I think that's when they developed the ansible. I don't remember if it ever explained how they did it, though.

I always assumed that the queen was able to find Ender and communicate to him through the ansible because the humans based it off of her method of communicating faster than light. [/from what I remember]

Also, they were called "Buggers" as a derisive term by the humans. It was supposed to be racist/speciesist/xenophobic. They almost wiped out humanity and they looked like big bugs; hence, Buggers. I think a little hostility is understandable. Once Ender told their story, they were referred to as Formics, if I recall correctly.

 

[Fayd]

Issac Asimov's "Foundation" series.

overrated. i couldn't get into it at all.

i liked Dune, but that's less a sci-fi and more a political power struggle book.

my current books for reading are don quixote, and the count of monte cristo.

 

[Kaido]

The ships left 50 years ago, but communication is instant thanks to the ansible. Kind of like a space cellphone - you can call someone instantly from halfway around the world, but to fly to where they are would take many hours to actually get there.

The ships, which were real, were setup as a simulation for the kids - with Ender being the leader. They had been trained to treat the previous simulations as reality for training purposes, so they didn't know any better on this one - they gave it their full attention. Ender knew it wasn't a simulation - the buggers and pilots were actually being killed in real life. Bean was smart and figured it out too, but didn't tell anyone else because it would have demoralized them.

Ender had to make a lot of hard choices as a kid. It was a good book and pretty good series.

 

[Adam8281]

You might want to actually read the final chapters again instead of a cliff notes version. Or at least pay attention. It pretty clear in the book what was going on and why Ender went into a deep depression after he found out that he had controlled actual humans in battle and wiped out an entire species.

I did read the whole book; I didn't read Cliff's Notes, and I re-read the last couple chapters I understand Ender was commanding real ships, fighting real Buggers, the Buggers could grok Ender's mind through the ansible, etc. My one question, which truly was not explained in the book (though maybe in later books it is), was where his friends were during the simulations-that-were-real. It doesn't say if his friends were physically in the ships Ender was commanding, or whether they were sitting in simulators on Eros, but remote-controlling real ships under Ender's command. At one point Ender is told "From this point on, you won't be piloting an individual ship. You'll be commanding a fleet of ships, and you can see what your individual pilots are seeing." These pilots are, presumably, his group of friends, with whom he is communicating, and at least some of whom seem to be piloting individual ships, not sub-fleets of ships. What I have been confused about, and what the book never directly says, is whether his friends were physically in the ships (so when Ender thought he was only observing their actions in their own simulators, he was actually observing their actions in real life), or whether they were sitting in "simulators," remote-controlling real ships unbeknownst to them as well as Ender.

 

[Zeze]

Good book.

I truly enjoyed Ender's Shadow over Game.

Bean & Petra are awesome characters full of interesting past. I thought Ender was too archtypical protagonist for me.

I didn't bother with rest of 3873847 sequels/prequels. I believe they're nowhere near good as first two, right?

 

[zCypher]

I remember reading and enjoying this book years ago. I only read Ender's Game though. Makes me want to buy a Kindle or similar device, I just feel I would get more into reading again if I had one.

 

[FallenHero]

I did read the whole book; I didn't read Cliff's Notes, and I re-read the last couple chapters I understand Ender was commanding real ships, fighting real Buggers, the Buggers could grok Ender's mind through the ansible, etc. My one question, which truly was not explained in the book (though maybe in later books it is), was where his friends were during the simulations-that-were-real. It doesn't say if his friends were physically in the ships Ender was commanding, or whether they were sitting in simulators on Eros, but remote-controlling real ships under Ender's command. At one point Ender is told "From this point on, you won't be piloting an individual ship. You'll be commanding a fleet of ships, and you can see what your individual pilots are seeing." These pilots are, presumably, his group of friends, with whom he is communicating, and at least some of whom seem to be piloting individual ships, not sub-fleets of ships. What I have been confused about, and what the book never directly says, is whether his friends were physically in the ships (so when Ender thought he was only observing their actions in their own simulators, he was actually observing their actions in real life), or whether they were sitting in "simulators," remote-controlling real ships unbeknownst to them as well as Ender.

It clearly states in one of the chapters that the kids got to the Asteroid that the military base was located on/in months before Ender did. And the only reason they didn't travel as a group was because Ender was burned out and didn't want to go on after his fight on the training station. I'm also fairly sure Petra comes to rescue physically on the asteroid after he is told by Graff that it wasn't a simulation and that they were actually commanding real people in battle. (Don't have the book in front of me to confirm though.)

 

[Kaido]

I remember reading and enjoying this book years ago. I only read Ender's Game though. Makes me want to buy a Kindle or similar device, I just feel I would get more into reading again if I had one.

I read a lot more now that I have a Kindle again. The problem is, now I've spent hundreds in books :hmm:

 

[Adam8281]

It clearly states in one of the chapters that the kids got to the Asteroid that the military base was located on/in months before Ender did. And the only reason they didn't travel as a group was because Ender was burned out and didn't want to go on after his fight on the training station. I'm also fairly sure Petra comes to rescue physically on the asteroid after he is told by Graff that it wasn't a simulation and that they were actually commanding real people in battle. (Don't have the book in front of me to confirm though.)

You're right, the kids do say to Ender "they've had us working on this simulator for the past 3 months before you got here."

 

[FallenHero]

You're right, the kids do say to Ender "they've had us working on this simulator for the past 3 months before you got here."

Yeah it's one sentence and if you skipped it (because god knows I skip parts I think are boring in other books) then I suppose your whole perspective would change.