What the hell is "classical conservatism?" Never heard of it...
Wait, I thought those neocons were the great threat running the show? Wait, I thought those Christian Fundamentalists were the great threat running the show? Wait, I thought those capitalist pig corporation Republicans were the great theat running the show?
Wait, I'm a liberal and I pick and choose any of the above whenever it suits my purposes and cry like a b!tch about them (and make up fanstasies about so-called "real" conservatives) :roll:
Wait, I thought those neocons were the great threat running the show? Wait, I thought those Christian Fundamentalists were the great threat running the show? Wait, I thought those capitalist pig corporation Republicans were the great theat running the show?
Wait, I'm a liberal and I pick and choose any of the above whenever it suits my purposes and cry like a b!tch about them (and make up fanstasies about so-called "real" conservatives) :roll:
Originally posted by: Engineer
There are no conservatives anymore, especially fiscal. Here's afor playing.
Most of us are still fiscal conservatives...just a matter of getting congress to do our bidding...
Engineer
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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Engineer
There are no conservatives anymore, especially fiscal. Here's a
Most of us are still fiscal conservatives...just a matter of getting congress to do our bidding...
From the breath I get around here, I would doubt the word "most" very seriously. Cutting taxes alone (or wanting them cut) does not count as being fiscal conservative.
You're right about Congress and don't forget to throw the President in there. He has no problem signing pork, at all (including big social liberal pork program: Medicare)
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same deal by United States National Intelligence Council report
http://www.pinr.com/report.php...w_report&report_id=259
http://www.pinr.com/report.php...w_report&report_id=259
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Engineer
There are no conservatives anymore, especially fiscal. Here's a
Most of us are still fiscal conservatives...just a matter of getting congress to do our bidding...
From the breath I get around here, I would doubt the word "most" very seriously. Cutting taxes alone (or wanting them cut) does not count as being fiscal conservative.
You're right about Congress and don't forget to throw the President in there. He has no problem signing pork, at all (including big social liberal pork program: Medicare)
I think you are wrong about most conservatives.
Engineer
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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Engineer
There are no conservatives anymore, especially fiscal. Here's a
Most of us are still fiscal conservatives...just a matter of getting congress to do our bidding...
From the breath I get around here, I would doubt the word "most" very seriously. Cutting taxes alone (or wanting them cut) does not count as being fiscal conservative.
You're right about Congress and don't forget to throw the President in there. He has no problem signing pork, at all (including big social liberal pork program: Medicare)
I think you are wrong about most conservatives.
Judging by the looks at the US, the deficits, the voting patterns, I doubt it.
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Engineer
There are no conservatives anymore, especially fiscal. Here's a
Most of us are still fiscal conservatives...just a matter of getting congress to do our bidding...
From the breath I get around here, I would doubt the word "most" very seriously. Cutting taxes alone (or wanting them cut) does not count as being fiscal conservative.
You're right about Congress and don't forget to throw the President in there. He has no problem signing pork, at all (including big social liberal pork program: Medicare)
I think you are wrong about most conservatives.
Judging by the looks at the US, the deficits, the voting patterns, I doubt it.
deficits? something we have had major problems with the for the, the last 40 years?
voting patterns? The country is voing more conservative, but still quite purple.
A few more conservatives are still needed for real change, or a few moderates that want to balance the budget.
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I don't doubt that we've had serious deficits for 40 years...but based on the current control by "so called conservatives" of all branches of government in DC and the rising deficits...
The only balancing of the budget will be due to the rest of the world cutting up the credit cards to the US and will be of necessity.....not will power.
The only balancing of the budget will be due to the rest of the world cutting up the credit cards to the US and will be of necessity.....not will power.
How old are you know?
and 15 years to that.
That is when this will start to get rough, optimistically. If you wanted a pesimistic attitude, think 2010.
Originally posted by: Engineer
There are no conservatives anymore, especially fiscal. Here's a
No conservatives anymore... thanks for setting me straight on that. And thanks for the treat!
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Shrinking deficits? Has it shrank one year during the current 4 year regime?
Surplus
Deficit
Bigger Deficit (record for that year)
Even bigger deficit (2004: again, record for that year)
Projection: 2005 - new record projection.
Shrinking? Yep, that's it. And as for GDP, it's rising on the GDP curve just as fast. It may not be "Historically' as high as the past, but it's has high as it's been in over 30 years (overall debt to GDP).
Add rising interest rates in and let the deficit interest start to creap up and see how tough it is to start cutting once the interest becomes large.
Surplus
Deficit
Bigger Deficit (record for that year)
Even bigger deficit (2004: again, record for that year)
Projection: 2005 - new record projection.
Shrinking? Yep, that's it. And as for GDP, it's rising on the GDP curve just as fast. It may not be "Historically' as high as the past, but it's has high as it's been in over 30 years (overall debt to GDP).
Add rising interest rates in and let the deficit interest start to creap up and see how tough it is to start cutting once the interest becomes large.
I'm just wanting to know what these "classical conservatives" believe so I understand how there's none left. Are they fiscal conservatives? Neoconservatives? Social conservatives? I need help with this classical conservative thing...
2003 projection 500/actual 374
2004 projection 521/ actual 413
2005 projected 427/actual currently growing at a slower rate than last year.
Given the current data, it one could easily argue that we will have a smaller defecit this year.
I was also referring the defecit to GDP ratio.
I think becasically ever republican up to eisenhower applied to the term. Generally tight fiscal policy, somewhat isolationist, real free market, etc.
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