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Employment status change questions

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Soybomb

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I was hired on to do tech support for an isp as full time employee. About a month ago an "employee handbook" was distributred, previously we did not have one. We were told to read the book and sign the sheet ackknowledging that we read it and understood it or we would be fired. I didn't agree with everything but obviously, I signed it. I started to work here on October 30th of 2001 and after my 90 day evaluation period I was supposed to start accruing vacation days I thought so I emailed our controller. This is what I got back:

"You'll recall that when we set
up the employee manual that we set 480 hours in a 12-week period (which is
exactly 40 hours/week) as the benchmark for full-time work. When we
realized that very few were meeting that definition, we amended it to be 530
in a 14-week period, which comes out to 37.86 hours per week.
What we've done during the first 6 pay periods is calculated the number
of hours total and divided them by twice the number of pay periods in order
to come up with an average number of hours worked per week to that point.
For the seventh and subsequent pay periods the calculation is the cumulative
number of hours worked for that and the previous six pay periods, divided by
14. Each time the result of that equation comes out to 37.86 or greater,
you earn another 3.08 hours of vacation. 3.08 is the number of hours that
full-time employees earn every two weeks in order to have 80 (3.08 X 26 pay
periods) hours (two weeks) of vacation available at the end of the year. "

First I'm not even sure they can just be monkeying around with our full/time part time status, but aside from that what do you think of the vacation time policy? I think it sucks as very few employees will qualify for full time status and as part time employees there is no vacation benifit. Whats the vacation policy like where you work? Any suggestions? 🙂
 
I'm not clear why very few people would qualify for full-time under that policy. Are you normally scheduled for 40-hour weeks?
 
Its been a rough early part of the year here, alot of people have been out sick or been out with their sick kids. Essentially we get 10 unpaid personal days a year. If the person were to take off those days in a clump early in the year, they could miss out on a good chunk of vacation time. If you spread them out on the other hand, you'd still get your time. It seems to me like a better system would be to not count unpaid personal days against a person
 


<< Its been a rough early part of the year here, alot of people have been out sick or been out with their sick kids. Essentially we get 10 unpaid personal days a year. If the person were to take off those days in a clump early in the year, they could miss out on a good chunk of vacation time. If you spread them out on the other hand, you'd still get your time. It seems to me like a better system would be to not count unpaid personal days against a person >>


Wouldn't your unpaid days count as an 8 hour chunk towards the vacation time?
 
I made up a spreadsheet to look at scenarios, and here's the key finding. If you miss more than 25 hours in any SINGLE pay period, you can't reach the 37.86 number for 6 pay periods! (Unless you can work overtime - does that ever happen?)

You need to not miss more than 25 hours (3 days plus 1 hour) over any 12-week period to keep your average over the minimum for every pay period. That's the key to earning the maximum vacation under this policy. Again, if you can work overtime, you could use it to make up when necessary.

It seems harsh that unpaid personal days also cut in to earning vacation.

I suspect this policy was written because you have a lot of turnover - is that right?
 
Thanks kranky, thats what I was going to try at lunch today to come up with. Yeah thats teh whole reason, is turn over is MASSIVE here. I also think they're planning on closing our office in a few months and don't want to give us too much over time.

Cow: No thats the real kicker, is if you take vacation days, they don't count against you, if you take any of your alloted unpaid days off, they will prevent you from accruing vacation.
 
That sounds like the plan that a friend of mine had when he worked for PSI. He stayed a year before getting another job. My question is what is the point to the unpaid personal days? I'm completely at a loss for its purpose.
My company offers 4 hours every pay period (two weeks) for the first year and then 5 for the next couple years. Its nice but hurts some of the new folks aroudn the holidays if they haven't been around long enough to accumalate vaction time yet.
 
Not to be a prick, but be greatful you have a job. There are so many people unemployed in NYC right now and the market is so bad with no ray of sun in the forseeable future.
 
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