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Employees with nicotine in their systems to be fired...

Health care is what put GM in the coffin.

Other companies are catching on.

Smokers are a dying breed. This will just make them disappear a little quicker.
 
Originally posted by: PandaBear
Damn, thats fcuked up, they can only do so to illegal substance, I smell class action lawsuit coming.
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Actually in some states employers can fire at will.

Don't you think a company owner would hire a lawyer and discuss legality before doing something like this?
 
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Your body is your own.
So is your choice to remain gainfully employed at those places.
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It's a price we pay as a nation moving from developmental manufacturing to high-level services.

Budgetary scrutiny is only the beginning....🙁
 
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Health care is what put GM in the coffin.

Other companies are catching on.

Smokers are a dying breed. This will just make them disappear a little quicker.
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Article had litle to do with smoking, and a lot to do with America's short-sightedness. Policy like that will undoubetly snowball into something that could affect how everyone of you choose to live outside of work.
 
Originally posted by: poncherelli2
why is obesity protected?
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Genetics most likely. You cant choose to not be fat IF you have a genetic condition. Smoking however is completely voluntary.

What would be interesting is to see if someone who had the alcoholic gene was fired for drinking outside of company time and sued saying he had a health condition (Alcoholism)
 
how is that different from an ad agency not hiring ugly people (and ugly is genetic) or a tree clipping business not hiring short people?
 
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Health care is what put GM in the coffin.

Other companies are catching on.

Smokers are a dying breed. This will just make them disappear a little quicker.
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OK, so what if employers start firing people wo participate in "extreme" sports, like skydiving or rock climbing? These people put themselves in much greater sudden jeopardy than people who smoke. Shouldn't they be held to the same draconian standards?

Or they can start firing the binge drinkers in their employ. The ones who always have it together and do their work flawlessly, but then go home and get blitzed because it's the only way they can cope with their lives. They'll develop liver disease, so let's fire them.

Where does it end?
 
It ends when the healthiest guy with the best habits is doing all the work for the rest of us layed-off people.
 
I don't think it's right to fire them, why couldn't they drop them from the healthcare or impose a fine? It's their right to smoke at home, if they instituted no smoking at the facility, that i could understand, but completely nicotine free? What if they frequent a bar and happen to inhale a lot? I think it's a good idea to help people become healtheier(the wellness programs) but they weren't implemented very well. Also, it DOES help cut health costs.
 
Now all they need to do is raise this question with the whole drug test thing.

Even though I quit, it still makes me angry. It is none of my employers business if I like to relax to a bowl, or whatever the fsck drug I want to really, after work as long as I come to work 5 minutes early, leave 5 minutes late and do my job as expected.
 
Originally posted by: PHiuR
yeah...read this before. It's not fair.
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What's not fair? You agree not to have nicotine in your system and they agree to let you keep your job. If you choose to let nicotine into your system, you're choosing to get fired. Sounds odd, but when you think about it, it's completely under the control of the employee and is completely fair.

Don't like it? Get another job.
 
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Your body is your own.
So is your choice to remain gainfully employed at those places.
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😉

Seriously folks if you have such great health that you need to flaunt it by smoking..


SMOKING CAUSES GLOBAL WARMING

😉
 
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: PHiuR
yeah...read this before. It's not fair.
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What's not fair? You agree not to have nicotine in your system and they agree to let you keep your job. If you choose to let nicotine into your system, you're choosing to get fired. Sounds odd, but when you think about it, it's completely under the control of the employee and is completely fair.

Don't like it? Get another job.
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Bingo....but they need to make it simpler. If you smoke you CANNOT get healthcare insurance ever again and you will have to bear all the costs yourself. Choices always have costs associated with them but this world has become so pussified it is a concept that seemst to have been lost to history.

 
Originally posted by: Eli
Now all they need to do is raise this question with the whole drug test thing.

Even though I quit, it still makes me angry. It is none of my employers business if I like to relax to a bowl, or whatever the fsck drug I want to really, after work as long as I come to work 5 minutes early, leave 5 minutes late and do my job as expected.
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The problem is that controlled substances frequently interfere with quality of work. Drugs aren't illegal because they have placebo-like effects. They're illegal because they have some pretty strong effects (well most of them anyway).
 
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