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Employees cannot delete files without permission, says U.S. court

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Employees cannot delete files without permission, says U.S. court
The Seventh Circuit United States Appeals Court has ruled that employees cannot unlawfully delete their computers before handing them back to their employers. International Airport Centers (IAC) sued Jacob Citrin, a former employee, after he returned a laptop whose contents had been erased with a deletion program.

In a three to none decision the court said that Citrin violated the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act by installing a secure delete program. In addition the court said that Citrin effectively terminated his employment, not when he turned in the laptop, but when he started doing personal business while still being employed at IAC.

During his employment, Citrin was tasked with finding suitable real estate locations for IAC to purchase. He was given a laptop to record information. IAC alleges that he started doing his personal business while still employed at IAC. The company had hoped to find some incriminating evidence on the laptop's hard drive, but Citrin had installed and used a secure deletion program to cover his tracks.

Citrin says that his employment contract authorized him to "return or destroy" the data in the laptop, but the court said that he ceased to be protected by that contract when he started doing his own work. The appeals court argues that Citrin's deletion violates the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act because he accessed a protected computer without authorization. Even though the laptop was in his possession, his authorization ceased when he violated his company's loyalty.

A lower court had thrown out IAC's lawsuit against Citrin. The Appeals Court decision reverses that ruling and allows the lawsuit to continue.

The full text of the decision is available on the Seventh Circuit Appeals Court website (http://www.ca7.uscourts.gov/tmp/R3125C5W.pdf)
 
What's to discuss?

This sounds perfectly reasonable to me. Not only do you not own the computer or the data, you don't own the data you create while employed there. It is their data. Everything you produce with THEIR equipment is THEIR data.
 
Originally posted by: classy
Nothing really to discuss. If the equipment does not belong to you, you have no right to delete anything.

And if you do your personal business on a computer that your employer provides...you = idiot.
 
Originally posted by: classy
Nothing really to discuss. If the equipment does not belong to you, you have no right to delete anything.

Ummm no. Its not that simple. If this guy hadn't went through his personal business on that computer, the company would have gotten a coke can up their asses.
 
why did he install the program? just boot it and run the secure delete/wipe program from removable media

next time he'll know to remove the hard drive and tell them he lost it and just pay the $100 for the lost drive, then they can't prove he wiped it
 
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: classy
Nothing really to discuss. If the equipment does not belong to you, you have no right to delete anything.

And if you do your personal business on a computer that your employer provides...you = idiot.

i agree. but the problem comes down to say personal email etc. shouild be interesting to see the fallout heh.
 
Citrin says that his employment contract authorized him to "return or destroy" the data in the laptop, but the court said that he ceased to be protected by that contract when he started doing his own work.

Why?
 
Originally posted by: Turkish
Ummm no. Its not that simple. If this guy hadn't went through his personal business on that computer, the company would have gotten a coke can up their asses.

Explain?
 
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: classy
Nothing really to discuss. If the equipment does not belong to you, you have no right to delete anything.

And if you do your personal business on a computer that your employer provides...you = idiot.

i agree. but the problem comes down to say personal email etc. shouild be interesting to see the fallout heh.

If it is on the company's computer, it isn't yours so watch what you write. We had that drilled into us during some training classes a couple of weeks ago where I work.
 
Originally posted by: mugs
Citrin says that his employment contract authorized him to "return or destroy" the data in the laptop, but the court said that he ceased to be protected by that contract when he started doing his own work.

Why?

Remember the thread a while ago about doing work on the side?

Some companies strictly forbid it. Especially if you are using their resources to do the work. That is pretty much theft.
 
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: classy
Nothing really to discuss. If the equipment does not belong to you, you have no right to delete anything.

And if you do your personal business on a computer that your employer provides...you = idiot.

i agree. but the problem comes down to say personal email etc. shouild be interesting to see the fallout heh.

no kiddin. if this guy had confidential private information on that computer (SS, credit history, health status, etc.), would this give the company the right to access it?
 
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: classy
Nothing really to discuss. If the equipment does not belong to you, you have no right to delete anything.

And if you do your personal business on a computer that your employer provides...you = idiot.

i agree. but the problem comes down to say personal email etc. shouild be interesting to see the fallout heh.

If it is on the company's computer, it isn't yours so watch what you write. We had that drilled into us during some training classes a couple of weeks ago where I work.



you are right. NEVER do anything on a business computer you do not want the company to know about.


 
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: mugs
Citrin says that his employment contract authorized him to "return or destroy" the data in the laptop, but the court said that he ceased to be protected by that contract when he started doing his own work.

Why?

Remember the thread a while ago about doing work on the side?

Some companies strictly forbid it. Especially if you are using their resources to do the work. That is pretty much theft.

as far as equipment, maybe. what about work done after completing his work at the said company?
 
Originally posted by: StrangerGuy
Originally posted by: classy
Nothing really to discuss. If the equipment does not belong to you, you have no right to delete anything.


What about their own personal files?

Your personal files belong on your personal computer - not your companies.
 
The problem here is that the company's allegations that he did personal work with that laptop are just that- Allegations.

This is a trial based on intentions, not law. The company is grasping at straws and has nothing going for them except sour grapes and a crappy contract they were fools to agree to.
 
Originally posted by: Turkish
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: classy
Nothing really to discuss. If the equipment does not belong to you, you have no right to delete anything.

And if you do your personal business on a computer that your employer provides...you = idiot.

i agree. but the problem comes down to say personal email etc. shouild be interesting to see the fallout heh.

no kiddin. if this guy had confidential private information on that computer (SS, credit history, health status, etc.), would this give the company the right to access it?


But that begs the question... WTF are you doing putting personal information on a company laptop?

And to answer your question, yes. If I were dumb enough to put my social security number or other personal files on my work machine, my employer has every legal right to access it to the extent that they need to determine whether they or personal files or not.

I think the law is similiar to phone wiretapping laws, in which an employer is allowed to monitor employees telephone conversations at work unless it an obviously personal or confidential conversation.
 
Originally posted by: acemcmac
The problem here is that the company's allegations that he did personal work with that laptop are just that- Allegations.

This is a trial based on intentions, not law. The company is grasping at straws and has nothing going for them except sour grapes and a crappy contract they were fools to agree to.

Hmmm interesting... wonder how this case will end up...
 
what's to discuss? he deleted data that wasn't his and did his personal business on the laptop, then installed a secure deletaion program to cover his tracks. the verdict sounds perfectly okay to me...
 
Originally posted by: acemcmac
The problem here is that the company's allegations that he did personal work with that laptop are just that- Allegations.

This is a trial based on intentions, not law. The company is grasping at straws and has nothing going for them except sour grapes and a crappy contract they were fools to agree to.

That's the same thing that I was thinking.
Sounds like a witch hunt to me. Allegations with no proof.
 
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