'Emperor' Obama Should Interpret Law Not Courts

[Patranus]

Sunstein: Obama, not courts, should interpret law

The interpretation of federal law should be made not by judges but by the beliefs and commitments of the U.S. president and those around him, according to President Obama's newly confirmed regulatory czar, Cass Sunstein.

"There is no reason to believe that in the face of statutory ambiguity, the meaning of federal law should be settled by the inclinations and predispositions of federal judges. The outcome should instead depend on the commitments and beliefs of the President and those who operate under him," argued Sunstein.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=110103

Hmmm. So laws should be 'settled' by the President and those under him...under the President as in Czars?

Interesting how this man now controls almost every aspect of federal government regulation now.....

 

[Moonbeam]

Some of his mandates are:

The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;


The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;


The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;


The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;


The right of every family to a decent home;


The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;


The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;


The right to a good education.
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The fucker must be totally insane.

 

[Craig234]

Before we have yet another nutty right-wing thread based on a lack of common sense with words:

The President interprets the law, in his role to execute the law.

The Supreme Court has the *final word* on interpreting the law, and can correct him.

 

[jackschmittusa]

And Bush wrote a zillion signing statements explaining how he was going to interpret and execute execute the law.

Where was your mouth then?

 

[BarrySotero]

Hitler's ability to take power resided in judges that responded to him instead of a constitution. It was already clear before Sunstein is a certifiable nuttter who also wants to limit "rumors" on the internet including comment sections. We just went down the toilet with a gov and banks giving away mortgages for homes. It's sad to see supposedly educated people pulling a guy like Sunny to work in an administration. Communism is so for losers.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Our system is beyond fucked up...

It didnt' start with bush and it won't end with Obama

The sooner you geeks figure this shit out and stop arguing about it the sooner we'll be to figuring out what is best for the people of this country.


When the best thing for the country is gridlock... things are pretty sad. And that's where we are.

 

[First]

lmao at wnd.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Some of his mandates are:

The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;


The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;


The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;


The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;


The right of every family to a decent home;


The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;


The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;


The right to a good education.
===========

The fucker must be totally insane.

He is... none of those are rights. In america, you have the right to use your natural born talents and drive to create a life where those things are possible but you don't have a right to them just because you were born here. If you had a right to those things and were incapable of acquiring them, someone would have to give them to you. That's called socialism. If that's what you want, move to Canuckistan or England. They'll be happy to care for you from cradle to grave. But there has to be a place on this planet where you're allowed to succeed to your ultimate poteintial without penalty or FAIL based on your own merrits.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
And Bush wrote a zillion signing statements explaining how he was going to interpret and execute execute the law.

Where was your mouth then?

Well I was beating up Bush for this then. Where is your mouth now?

 

[fskimospy]

I'm going to need some context for those quotes. I find it highly unlikely that this quote was meant to say that the executive had some sort of power to interpret statutes over the objections of the courts. He almost certainly was talking from an expediency and good governance standpoint.

Is this quote mining going to become some sort of ongoing thing? It's silliness.

Regardless, I find it interesting that the ultra right (as embodied by WND) has now come full circle. Under Bush they shrieked endlessly about the tyranny of 'unelected judges', and now they cry for them. Shocking.

EDIT: And 'controls almost every aspect of federal regulation' is a laugh. Where do you crazies come up with this?

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: BarrySotero
Hitler's ability to take power resided in judges that responded to him instead of a constitution. It was already clear before Sunstein is a certifiable nuttter who also wants to limit "rumors" on the internet including comment sections. We just went down the toilet with a gov and banks giving away mortgages for homes. It's sad to see supposedly educated people pulling a guy like Sunny to work in an administration. Communism is so for losers.

^^^^ Speaking of certifiable nutters ^^^^

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
And Bush wrote a zillion signing statements explaining how he was going to interpret and execute execute the law.

Where was your mouth then?

and bush was a fucking idiot.

the president should not be interpret the law ever..any of them (especially bush..well i guess it would have been cheney not bush doign it)!

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
And Bush wrote a zillion signing statements explaining how he was going to interpret and execute execute the law.

Where was your mouth then?

and bush was a fucking idiot.

the president should not be interpret the law ever..any of them (especially bush..well i guess it would have been cheney not bush doign it)!

The president (well, the executive branch) interprets the law thousands of times every day. If they didn't, our government would be completely unable to function and our court system would instantly collapse.

Many laws are made vague on purpose, so that they can be reasonably and effectively applied. This requires the person applying it to 'interpret' what the law wants them to do.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
And Bush wrote a zillion signing statements explaining how he was going to interpret and execute execute the law.

Where was your mouth then?

and bush was a fucking idiot.

the president should not be interpret the law ever..any of them (especially bush..well i guess it would have been cheney not bush doign it)!

The president (well, the executive branch) interprets the law thousands of times every day. If they didn't, our government would be completely unable to function and our court system would instantly collapse.

Many laws are made vague on purpose, so that they can be reasonably and effectively applied. This requires the person applying it to 'interpret' what the law wants them to do.

sure they can "interpret" it and do something (we all do) . Its up to the courts to say if that is legal or not (if anyone bothers to challenge it..wich wish more would challenge the goverment when they do illegal things). wich is what i mean.

lately (and by that i mean bush mainly) it has been diffrent. The Admin has been saying what is legal and trying to say it shouldnt go to the courts since they have the say.


i didn't word what i ment very well did i? hmmm even my atemp tto clear it up sucks..sigh i need some coffee.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: waggy

sure they can "interpret" it and do something (we all do) . Its up to the courts to say if that is legal or not (if anyone bothers to challenge it..wich wish more would challenge the goverment when they do illegal things). wich is what i mean.

lately (and by that i mean bush mainly) it has been diffrent. The Admin has been saying what is legal and trying to say it shouldnt go to the courts since they have the say.


i didn't word what i ment very well did i? hmmm even my atemp tto clear it up sucks..sigh i need some coffee.

What I'm saying is that I find it extremely unlikely that that quote, if taken in context, would end up meaning that he believes the executive branch to have the final say over the courts in the case of statutory ambiguity. I would bet money that it's another example of quote mining out of context by the extreme right.

 

[Vic]

Is this the same WND that was complaining about 'legislating from the bench' during the Bush admin?

Read the Constitution, people. Please.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: First
lmao at wnd.

Fer sure.

Obama Looks to Limit Impact of Tactic Bush Used to Sidestep New Laws
March 9, 2009

Calling into question the legitimacy of all the signing statements that former President George W. Bush used to challenge new laws, President Obama ordered executive officials on Monday to consult with Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. before relying on any of them to bypass a statute.

But Mr. Obama also signaled that he intended to use signing statements himself if Congress sent him legislation with provisions he decided were unconstitutional. He promised to take a modest approach when using the statements, legal documents issued by a president the day he signs bills into law that instruct executive officials how to put the statutes into effect. But Mr. Obama said there was a role for the practice if used appropriately.

?In exercising my responsibility to determine whether a provision of an enrolled bill is unconstitutional, I will act with caution and restraint, based only on interpretations of the Constitution that are well-founded,? Mr. Obama wrote in a memorandum to the heads of all departments and agencies in the executive branch.

Mr. Obama?s directions were the latest step in his administration?s effort to deal with a series of legal and policy disputes it inherited from the Bush administration.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Some of his mandates are:

The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;


The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;


The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;


The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;


The right of every family to a decent home;


The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;


The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;


The right to a good education.
===========

The fucker must be totally insane.

He is... none of those are rights. In america, you have the right to use your natural born talents and drive to create a life where those things are possible but you don't have a right to them just because you were born here. If you had a right to those things and were incapable of acquiring them, someone would have to give them to you. That's called socialism. If that's what you want, move to Canuckistan or England. They'll be happy to care for you from cradle to grave. But there has to be a place on this planet where you're allowed to succeed to your ultimate poteintial without penalty or FAIL based on your own merrits.

You are a swine talking about Stymerica. The natural talents you speak of are your snout, your tusks, and your endless capacity to eat tons of garbage. It is why the farmer puts your slop in a long trough and cuts off your tusks so you can't monopolize all of it and the piglets get to grown so they too can be slaughtered. That's called farming where you are cared for from cradle to market. And for your reward you're given the fantasy you're the king of Animal Farm.

 

[Greenman]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Some of his mandates are:

The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;


The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;


The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;


The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;


The right of every family to a decent home;


The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;


The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;


The right to a good education.
===========

The fucker must be totally insane.

Wouldn't that list pretty much require absolute government control of everything?

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Some of his mandates are:

The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;


The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;


The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;


The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;


The right of every family to a decent home;


The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;


The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;


The right to a good education.
===========

The fucker must be totally insane.

He is... none of those are rights. In america, you have the right to use your natural born talents and drive to create a life where those things are possible but you don't have a right to them just because you were born here. If you had a right to those things and were incapable of acquiring them, someone would have to give them to you. That's called socialism. If that's what you want, move to Canuckistan or England. They'll be happy to care for you from cradle to grave. But there has to be a place on this planet where you're allowed to succeed to your ultimate poteintial without penalty or FAIL based on your own merrits.

You are a swine talking about Stymerica. The natural talents you speak of are your snout, your tusks, and your endless capacity to eat tons of garbage. It is why the farmer puts your slop in a long trough and cuts off your tusks so you can't monopolize all of it and the piglets get to grown so they too can be slaughtered. That's called farming where you are cared for from cradle to market. And for your reward you're given the fantasy you're the king of Animal Farm.

Ayup Whoozyerdaddy, and that little tick on your swine back sucking the blood out of you,,,,,that would be moonbeam.

 

[PokerGuy]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Calling into question the legitimacy of all the signing statements that former President George W. Bush used to challenge new laws, President Obama ordered executive officials on Monday to consult with Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. before relying on any of them to bypass a statute.

But Mr. Obama also signaled that he intended to use signing statements himself if Congress sent him legislation with provisions he decided were unconstitutional. He promised to take a modest approach when using the statements, legal documents issued by a president the day he signs bills into law that instruct executive officials how to put the statutes into effect. But Mr. Obama said there was a role for the practice if used appropriately.

?In exercising my responsibility to determine whether a provision of an enrolled bill is unconstitutional, I will act with caution and restraint, based only on interpretations of the Constitution that are well-founded,? Mr. Obama wrote in a memorandum to the heads of all departments and agencies in the executive branch.

Mr. Obama?s directions were the latest step in his administration?s effort to deal with a series of legal and policy disputes it inherited from the Bush administration.

So he's doing exactly what everyone was upset about Bush doing. Change we can believe in!

 

[umbrella39]

(re)Ban the OP

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: umbrella39
(re)Ban the OP

great idea! cencorship on P&N lets start banning those that have a diffrent political stand!


while the OP a hack there is no reason to ban. people bitched out Bush for such stuff

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Greenman

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Some of his mandates are:

The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;


The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;


The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;


The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;


The right of every family to a decent home;


The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;


The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;


The right to a good education.
===========

The fucker must be totally insane.

Wouldn't that list pretty much require absolute government control of everything?

It already does exactly that, it sets the rules of the sty. A swine like the one in question would last five minutes in a real jungle where real abilities and real drive pertained. Our swine here is a hot house flower, a trained farm animal, built to live at the trough.

 

[jonks]

How many non-issue threads can we get on the first page?

WND and WaTi are working overtime.