Emperor and pirates.

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: Mani
Stuff like this really makes me question if Israel is truly interested in peace. Their strategy seems to amount to poking the enemy with a stick repeatedly, then claiming to be a victim when they come under attack, and using the opportunity to bulldoze more territory.

OK, if Israel really wanted to get rid of the palestinians they would. It would take all of about 4 hours for them to clean the place out. No Arab nation is going to do dick about it either because they know Israel will mop the floor of anyone that tries.

Since the overwhelming majority of the people who live in Palestine are Jordans and Syrians you'd think they'd care but they don't even care when Lebanese people torture them in refugee camps.

It would take about 4 hours though, you are correct about that and that no Arab nation cares, for some reason a Persian nation cares but they wouldn't do shit if Israel wanted to act.

Iran is the underhanded smug dealer and that is all they'll ever be.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: alien42

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: Mani
Stuff like this really makes me question if Israel is truly interested in peace. Their strategy seems to amount to poking the enemy with a stick repeatedly, then claiming to be a victim when they come under attack, and using the opportunity to bulldoze more territory.

OK, if Israel really wanted to get rid of the palestinians they would. It would take all of about 4 hours for them to clean the place out. No Arab nation is going to do dick about it either because they know Israel will mop the floor of anyone that tries.

that sounded quite Hitler like, oh the irony.

In what way does it sound like Nazism, seriously, i want to know how the FUCK that sounds like Nazism because i SERIOUSLY don't get it.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: alien42

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: alien42

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: Mani
Stuff like this really makes me question if Israel is truly interested in peace. Their strategy seems to amount to poking the enemy with a stick repeatedly, then claiming to be a victim when they come under attack, and using the opportunity to bulldoze more territory.

OK, if Israel really wanted to get rid of the palestinians they would. It would take all of about 4 hours for them to clean the place out. No Arab nation is going to do dick about it either because they know Israel will mop the floor of anyone that tries.

that sounded quite Hitler like, oh the irony.

The Irony is that your dumb ass would mention Hitler at all!!

In the context of what was said the dude has a point!
There is no arab nation that would come to the defense of the Palestinians id Idrael truly wanted to be done with the issue!

That has nothing to do with Hitler.
Whats sad is that NOArab nation would have synpathy for the palestinians and step in to help them...

he is talking about wiping a group of people out, sound familiar? heil jediyoda.

Palestinians are not "a group of people" you stupid twat.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: iGas
I was waiting for some one to post this since last night, but it seems as if America news agencies are turning a blind eye to the plight of the Palestinians.

Are you talking about those same people who, instead of seeking peace and prosperity years ago, attempted to commit genocide against the Israelis and continue to attack them to this day with suicide bombings and rockets? The same people who elected a terrorist government in Hamas?

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowskiOK, if Israel really wanted to get rid of the palestinians they would. It would take all of about 4 hours for them to clean the place out. No Arab nation is going to do dick about it either because they know Israel will mop the floor of anyone that tries.

What most people don't realize is that if the Palestinians were suddenly transported to one of the Arab nations, they would be quietly exterminated by their fellow Arabs and Muslims.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: alien42

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: alien42

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: Mani
Stuff like this really makes me question if Israel is truly interested in peace. Their strategy seems to amount to poking the enemy with a stick repeatedly, then claiming to be a victim when they come under attack, and using the opportunity to bulldoze more territory.

OK, if Israel really wanted to get rid of the palestinians they would. It would take all of about 4 hours for them to clean the place out. No Arab nation is going to do dick about it either because they know Israel will mop the floor of anyone that tries.

that sounded quite Hitler like, oh the irony.

The Irony is that your dumb ass would mention Hitler at all!!

In the context of what was said the dude has a point!
There is no arab nation that would come to the defense of the Palestinians id Idrael truly wanted to be done with the issue!

That has nothing to do with Hitler.
Whats sad is that NOArab nation would have synpathy for the palestinians and step in to help them...

he is talking about wiping a group of people out, sound familiar? heil jediyoda.

Palestinians are not "a group of people" you stupid twat.

Look you stoopid ignorant jarhead.......
The Hitler reference does not even apply.
To be accurate the word palestinian isn`t even truly accurate!!

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowskiOK, if Israel really wanted to get rid of the palestinians they would. It would take all of about 4 hours for them to clean the place out. No Arab nation is going to do dick about it either because they know Israel will mop the floor of anyone that tries.

What most people don't realize is that if the Palestinians were suddenly transported to one of the Arab nations, they would be quietly exterminated by their fellow Arabs and Muslims.

Let's kill them all. You convinced me all arabs, all Muslims, are inhuam evil demons.

 

[iGas]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: iGas
I was waiting for some one to post this since last night, but it seems as if America news agencies are turning a blind eye to the plight of the Palestinians.

Are you talking about those same people who, instead of seeking peace and prosperity years ago, attempted to commit genocide against the Israelis and continue to attack them to this day with suicide bombings and rockets? The same people who elected a terrorist government in Hamas?

As said above Israel can do no wrong thieving your neighbor land is an act of friendship and peace. Therefore the Palestinians should invites Jews to their home with open arms, and Zionist are welcome to take all Palestinian possessions.

Only in the ME that Jews have the right to steal land, because here in America your ass would be shot up before you have a chance to call the property owner a terrarrrist.

 

[iGas]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowskiOK, if Israel really wanted to get rid of the palestinians they would. It would take all of about 4 hours for them to clean the place out. No Arab nation is going to do dick about it either because they know Israel will mop the floor of anyone that tries.

What most people don't realize is that if the Palestinians were suddenly transported to one of the Arab nations, they would be quietly exterminated by their fellow Arabs and Muslims.

What most people realized that Jew would be completely terminated if they were transported to Germany, Russia, Poland, Hungary, etc...

The irony is that Zionist have turn Palestinian into undermenchen that no Arab countries want the,. Just as Germans turned Jews into a subhuman race that no European country would want to have them.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: iGas

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowskiOK, if Israel really wanted to get rid of the palestinians they would. It would take all of about 4 hours for them to clean the place out. No Arab nation is going to do dick about it either because they know Israel will mop the floor of anyone that tries.

What most people don't realize is that if the Palestinians were suddenly transported to one of the Arab nations, they would be quietly exterminated by their fellow Arabs and Muslims.

What most people realized that Jew would be completely terminated if they were transported to Germany, Russia, Poland, Hungary, etc...

The irony is that Zionist have turn Palestinian into undermenchen that no Arab countries want the,. Just as Germans turned Jews into a subhuman race that no European country would want to have them.

No what you don`t realize is that the Palestinians are not being transported anywhere.
Thus your stoopid argument holds no water at all!!
The reason the Germans were able to do as they did was because the Jew`s had no homeland and no military.

The Palestinians continually chose to have the wrong people represent them.

whats ironic iGas is you actually think you know what you are talking about....way too funny!!

The Palestinians are their own worse enemy!
You would almost think they have never ever cared about having a homeland or a country to call their own!!

 

[iGas]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: iGas

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowskiOK, if Israel really wanted to get rid of the palestinians they would. It would take all of about 4 hours for them to clean the place out. No Arab nation is going to do dick about it either because they know Israel will mop the floor of anyone that tries.

What most people don't realize is that if the Palestinians were suddenly transported to one of the Arab nations, they would be quietly exterminated by their fellow Arabs and Muslims.

What most people realized that Jew would be completely terminated if they were transported to Germany, Russia, Poland, Hungary, etc...

The irony is that Zionist have turn Palestinian into undermenchen that no Arab countries want the,. Just as Germans turned Jews into a subhuman race that no European country would want to have them.

No what you don`t realize is that the Palestinians are not being transported anywhere.
Thus your stoopid argument holds no water at all!!
The reason the Germans were able to do as they did was because the Jew`s had no homeland and no military.

Jews have now became the evil that once enforced upon them. Jews are now disregarding their own laws and religion by stealing Palestinians home/identity and rendering them homeless.

The Palestinians continually chose to have the wrong people represent them.

Jews continually have chosen evil Zionist leaders that steals from their neighbors.

whats ironic iGas is you actually think you know what you are talking about....way too funny!!

The Palestinians are their own worse enemy!
You would almost think they have never ever cared about having a homeland or a country to call their own!!

Holocaust surviving Jews are vile because they would trade their Jewish friends and neighbors to befriend Nazi and enriched them self.

Jews are their worst enemy., and they would steal properties from others to call it their own.

You don't see Russian running around crying daily about what the German did to them, nor Chinese cries because Japanese murdered ten of millions of them, nor Vietnamese cries daily about how the Japanese did millions of Vietnamese in during World War 2 or the millions of death under the American conquest.

Vietnamese didn't complaint about their lost in wars as much as Jews, while keep their head down at work therefore most people regard them as intelligent, and honest hard workers. While many people sees Jews as a bunch of dishonest thieves that complaints daily about something that happens 60+ ago by reciting some distance people names that they never met or related to.

It would be better serve the true Jesuit people if you suck it up an move on instead of being a whimpering Ku Klux Klan Zionist.

 

[Riceninja]

israelis are basically terrorists with better guns and lighter complexion.

and sleepers in the us government.

 

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: Riceninja
israelis are basically terrorists with better guns and lighter complexion.

and sleepers in the us government.

The Israelis also have better looking women, which automatically makes them better.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Since the overwhelming majority of the people who live in Palestine are Jordans and Syrians...

The overwhelming majority of the Arabs who live in Palestine were born an raised there, from generations of the same. How did you become confused into believing otherwise?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Since the overwhelming majority of the people who live in Palestine are Jordans and Syrians...

The overwhelming majority of the Arabs who live in Palestine were born an raised there, from generations of the same. How did you become confused into believing otherwise?

w/ respect to the "Jordans" statement; remember that the West Bank was part of Jordan until 40 years ago when Jordan gave it to Israel as part of a peace agreement.

At most, you will have 3 generations that have been raised there under Israeli control.

 

[kylebisme]

Sure, Jordan controlled the West Bank for a couple of decades, not that their their attempt to annex it was never recognised by the international community. Regardless, the overwhelming majority of the Arabs who live in Palestine were born an raised either in the Palestinian territories or what is now Israel, from generations of the same, far more generations than the State of Israel has been in existence. Surely you aren't trying to claim Jordanian control over the West Bank does anything to change that?

 

[EagleKeeper]

I was not trying to argue the fact - just pointing out that there was no real control by any country prior to '48 in the Palestine area.

After '48, what was not controlled by Israel was controlled by Jordan, Egypt or Syria.

Since then with each conflict, Israel has obtained more land as the attackers have retreated from territory lost in the conflict.

So the West Bank Palestinians were under Jordan control from '48 to '67 and under Israeli control since then.

The Palestinians have a growth rate higher over the last few decade's than before Israel became a state.

Until that time, populations were Dependant more on what the land would support - the amount of land used by the original inhabitants of Palestine was not that fruitful; it was the Jews that expanded the agricultural aspects which generated more food. More food allowed an increase in overall population. for both the Jews and Arabs.



Now that the history lessons are clarified how does this relate to the Article?

Israel is expanding settlements on land that they control.
The UN & associates claim that this is occupied land and Israel should not use it.
The UN has never sided with Israel since after inception and has shown a large bias against Israel. Israel claims that the land is theirs.

Given that Israel has taken the land (from one point of view) or has had it ceded to them (from another) the rub is who is right.

No other government has been told to give back conquered land - why does Israel? The US conquered the SW part of the country and then forced Mexico to give it up. The NW was claimed by England who gave up rights after the war 1812.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
I was not trying to argue the fact - just pointing out that there was no real control by any country prior to '48 in the Palestine area.

Surely you know that that Palestine was under temporary British mandate prior to them handing their control over to the UN, and under control of the Ottoman empire prior to that?

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Since then with each conflict, Israel has obtained more land as the attackers have retreated from territory lost in the conflict.

Rather, Israel took control of the Golan Hights, Gaza Strip, the West Bank and more after launching a regional war by attacking Egypt in 1967.

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
So the West Bank Palestinians were under Jordan control from '48 to '67 and under Israeli control since then.

The Palestinians have a growth rate higher over the last few decade's than before Israel became a state.

Until that time, populations were Dependant more on what the land would support - the amount of land used by the original inhabitants of Palestine was not that fruitful; it was the Jews that expanded the agricultural aspects which generated more food. More food allowed an increase in overall population. for both the Jews and Arabs.



Now that the history lessons are clarified how does this relate to the Article?

My comment was simply to correct JohnOfSheffield's claim that Palestinians are an immigrant population. Why you drifted so far from the subject of the article is for yourself to explain, and if you want to make it a history lesson you'll need to include some credible statistics to back your claim, both of Palestine and other regions with similar agricultural conditions.

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Israel is expanding settlements on land that they control.
The UN & associates claim that this is occupied land and Israel should not use it.
The UN has never sided with Israel since after inception and has shown a large bias against Israel. Israel claims that the land is theirs.

Given that Israel has taken the land (from one point of view) or has had it ceded to them (from another) the rub is who is right.

The idea that Israel has had the land ceded to them has no basis in reality, what you are labeling bias against Israel is actually just bias towards reality.

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
No other government has been told to give back conquered land - why does Israel? The US conquered the SW part of the country and then forced Mexico to give it up. The NW was claimed by England who gave up rights after the war 1812.

You are living in the past here, right of conquest went out of style nearly a century ago. More recent notable examples include; Russia being told to withdraw from South Ossetia, Syria from Lebanon, Iraq being from Kuwait, and of course us being expected to withdraw from Afghanistan and Iraq rather than colonize their land out from under them as Israel continues to do in the West Bank.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
I was not trying to argue the fact - just pointing out that there was no real control by any country prior to '48 in the Palestine area.

Surely you know that that Palestine was under temporary British mandate prior to them handing their control over to the UN, and under control of the Ottoman empire prior to that?

The use of the word control in your examples becomes vague. The Brits were responsible - however, they did not really have any government ion place - it was more of a supervisory action. The same with the Ottomans. The area of Palestine had not real central government. The area was just tribes and small villages.

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Since then with each conflict, Israel has obtained more land as the attackers have retreated from territory lost in the conflict.

Rather, Israel took control of the Golan Heights, Gaza Strip, the West Bank and more after launching a regional war by attacking Egypt in 1967.

Egypt and the other Arab countries were preparing for war AGAIN. Then Egypt closed the canal in violation of international accords. Israel may have struck first - as a preemptive strike.

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
So the West Bank Palestinians were under Jordan control from '48 to '67 and under Israeli control since then.

The Palestinians have a growth rate higher over the last few decade's than before Israel became a state.

Until that time, populations were Dependant more on what the land would support - the amount of land used by the original inhabitants of Palestine was not that fruitful; it was the Jews that expanded the agricultural aspects which generated more food. More food allowed an increase in overall population. for both the Jews and Arabs.



Now that the history lessons are clarified how does this relate to the Article?

My comment was simply to correct JohnOfSheffield's claim that Palestinians are an immigrant population. Why you drifted so far from the subject of the article is for yourself to explain, and if you want to make it a history lesson you'll need to include some credible statistics to back your claim, both of Palestine and other regions with similar agricultural conditions.

We both agree - that the discussion got off the original track. I wanted to clarify that I realized such and that it was the present that we should be talking about.

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Israel is expanding settlements on land that they control.
The UN & associates claim that this is occupied land and Israel should not use it.
The UN has never sided with Israel since after inception and has shown a large bias against Israel. Israel claims that the land is theirs.

Given that Israel has taken the land (from one point of view) or has had it ceded to them (from another) the rub is who is right.

The idea that Israel has had the land ceded to them has no basis in reality, what you are labeling bias against Israel is actually just bias towards reality.

Jordan was granted control of the West Bank - they ceded it to Israel.

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
No other government has been told to give back conquered land - why does Israel? The US conquered the SW part of the country and then forced Mexico to give it up. The NW was claimed by England who gave up rights after the war 1812.

You are living in the past here, right of conquest went out of style nearly a century ago. More recent notable examples include; Russia being told to withdraw from South Ossetia, Syria from Lebanon, Iraq being from Kuwait, and of course us being expected to withdraw from Afghanistan and Iraq rather than colonize their land out from under them as Israel continues to do in the West Bank.

In your examples - those are recognized countries.
Palestine (non Israel) was not supposed to be a country. The Arabs nations in '48 were supposed to mentor the area - it was not felt to be ready for statehood.
The Arab countries have failed in that regard. By handing the territory over to Israel (without any complaints/concerns/protests) after getting whipped in attacks against Israel in exchange for peace; where is it Palestinian territory?
Egypt did a swap of land of land they were responsible for to prove they wanted peace. The same with Jordan.
Or more likely they did not want the headaches the Palestinians created. Those countries promised peace if Israel would take the Palestinian problem out of Egypt/Jordan hands.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
I was not trying to argue the fact - just pointing out that there was no real control by any country prior to '48 in the Palestine area.

Surely you know that that Palestine was under temporary British mandate prior to them handing their control over to the UN, and under control of the Ottoman empire prior to that?

The use of the word control in your examples becomes vague. The Brits were responsible - however, they did not really have any government ion place - it was more of a supervisory action. The same with the Ottomans. The area of Palestine had not real central government. The area was just tribes and small villages.

I'm really not interested into going into off-topic history lessons, but here is a encyclopedia entry with sections clarifying the central government controlling Palestine under British an Ottoman rule.. And Furthermore, there were a lot larger population centers than "small villages" Here is a map and tables demonstrating the demographics of the region near the end of British rule.

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Since then with each conflict, Israel has obtained more land as the attackers have retreated from territory lost in the conflict.

Rather, Israel took control of the Golan Heights, Gaza Strip, the West Bank and more after launching a regional war by attacking Egypt in 1967.

Egypt and the other Arab countries were preparing for war AGAIN. Then Egypt closed the canal in violation of international accords. Israel may have struck first - as a preemptive strike.

Egypt was acting in preparation for the possibility of Israel carrying though with Yitzhak Rabin's threat to invade Syria, and Egypt only closed the canal in response to the war, not prior to it. What they did prior to the war is announce of Blockade on the Straits of Tiran, but I doubt you can produce any evidence that that was even been enforced when Israel attacked Egypt. Which brings me back to the reason I contested your statement; contrary to your claim, Israel was the attackers in 1967, it was the defenders who wound up retreating.

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
So the West Bank Palestinians were under Jordan control from '48 to '67 and under Israeli control since then.

The Palestinians have a growth rate higher over the last few decade's than before Israel became a state.

Until that time, populations were Dependant more on what the land would support - the amount of land used by the original inhabitants of Palestine was not that fruitful; it was the Jews that expanded the agricultural aspects which generated more food. More food allowed an increase in overall population. for both the Jews and Arabs.

Now that the history lessons are clarified how does this relate to the Article?

My comment was simply to correct JohnOfSheffield's claim that Palestinians are an immigrant population. Why you drifted so far from the subject of the article is for yourself to explain, and if you want to make it a history lesson you'll need to include some credible statistics to back your claim, both of Palestine and other regions with similar agricultural conditions.

We both agree - that the discussion got off the original track. I wanted to clarify that I realized such and that it was the present that we should be talking about.

I'm still curious to see statstics to support your claims. Do you not know of any?

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Israel is expanding settlements on land that they control.
The UN & associates claim that this is occupied land and Israel should not use it.
The UN has never sided with Israel since after inception and has shown a large bias against Israel. Israel claims that the land is theirs.

Given that Israel has taken the land (from one point of view) or has had it ceded to them (from another) the rub is who is right.

The idea that Israel has had the land ceded to them has no basis in reality, what you are labeling bias against Israel is actually just bias towards reality.

Jordan was granted control of the West Bank - they ceded it to Israel.

By what treaty do you believe Jordan was granted control of the West Bank, and by what treaty do you believe that control was ceded to Israel? Go looking for such agreements all you want but you won't find them. Again, your argument has no basis in reality; and again; Jordan controlled the West Bank for a couple of decades, but their attempt to annex it was never recognised by the international community, just as Israel's attempts to annex parts of it are not recognised to this day. The double standard you claim is being held against Israel is only a figment of your imagination.

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
No other government has been told to give back conquered land - why does Israel? The US conquered the SW part of the country and then forced Mexico to give it up. The NW was claimed by England who gave up rights after the war 1812.

You are living in the past here, right of conquest went out of style nearly a century ago. More recent notable examples include; Russia being told to withdraw from South Ossetia, Syria from Lebanon, Iraq being from Kuwait, and of course us being expected to withdraw from Afghanistan and Iraq rather than colonize their land out from under them as Israel continues to do in the West Bank.

In your examples - those are recognized countries.
Palestine (non Israel) was not supposed to be a country. The Arabs nations in '48 were supposed to mentor the area - it was not felt to be ready for statehood.

More specifically, Under League of Nations authority, Palestine was placed in the group of "Class A mandates ... considered sufficiently advanced that their provisional independence was recognized, though they were still subject to Allied administrative control until they were fully able to stand alone."

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
The Arab countries have failed in that regard. By handing the territory over to Israel (without any complaints/concerns/protests) after getting whipped in attacks against Israel in exchange for peace; where is it Palestinian territory?
Egypt did a swap of land of land they were responsible for to prove they wanted peace. The same with Jordan.
Or more likely they did not want the headaches the Palestinians created. Those countries promised peace if Israel would take the Palestinian problem out of Egypt/Jordan hands.

Again, your confusion comes from your arguments being detached from reality. Please go looking for sources to support your claims an note that you won't find any legitimate ones.

 

[EagleKeeper]

More specifically, Under League of Nations authority, Palestine was placed in the group of "Class A mandates ... considered sufficiently advanced that their provisional independence was recognized, though they were still subject to Allied administrative control until they were fully able to stand alone."

I believe that the League of Nations was replaced by the UN.

The League felt that Palestine could become a state. Israel was split out of it and the rest of Palestine was place under Arab supervision when the UN existed - the League did not.

Again, your confusion comes from your arguments being detached from reality. Please go looking for sources to support your claims an note that you won't find any legitimate ones.

Why did Egyypt and Jordan give the land that they had control of over to Israel?
I am looking at this from a military/logical POV?

Why would a country give up territory?

Egypt was acting in preparation for the possibility of Israel carrying though with Yitzhak Rabin's threat to invade Syria, and Egypt only closed the canal in response to the war, not prior to it. What they did prior to the war is announce of Blockade on the Straits of Tiran, but I doubt you can produce any evidence that that was even been enforced when Israel attacked Egypt. Which brings me back to the reason I contested your statement; contrary to your claim, Israel was the attackers in 1967, it was the defenders who wound up retreating.

Wiki link
Egypt/Syria and Jordan were massing on Israel's borders.
The Russians were also instigating issues.
Closing the Straits of Tiran was considered a violation of accepted Maritime law - an act of war. Egypt knew this - it happened before.

Israel did the preemptive attack triggered by the closure. Egypt was warned and given a week to back down. Israel was not bluffing and the Arab nations with Nasser in the lead were declaring a wipe out of Israel was needed. covert military operations were already underway by the Arabs against Israel.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

More specifically, Under League of Nations authority, Palestine was placed in the group of "Class A mandates ... considered sufficiently advanced that their provisional independence was recognized, though they were still subject to Allied administrative control until they were fully able to stand alone."

I believe that the League of Nations was replaced by the UN.

The League felt that Palestine could become a state. Israel was split out of it and the rest of Palestine was place under Arab supervision when the UN existed - the League did not.

The League of Nations recognised Palestine as Provisionally Independent and the UN partitioned it. The placing under Arab supervision you claim is only in your imagination.

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Again, your confusion comes from your arguments being detached from reality. Please go looking for sources to support your claims an note that you won't find any legitimate ones.

Why did Egyypt and Jordan give the land that they had control of over to Israel?
I am looking at this from a military/logical POV?

Why would a country give up territory?

If you want to look at this logically, then take my advice and go looking for sources to support your claims an note that you won't find any legitimate ones rather than reaching for arguments by asking question in vain attempts at confirmation of your misconceptions.

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Egypt was acting in preparation for the possibility of Israel carrying though with Yitzhak Rabin's threat to invade Syria, and Egypt only closed the canal in response to the war, not prior to it. What they did prior to the war is announce of Blockade on the Straits of Tiran, but I doubt you can produce any evidence that that was even been enforced when Israel attacked Egypt. Which brings me back to the reason I contested your statement; contrary to your claim, Israel was the attackers in 1967, it was the defenders who wound up retreating.

Wiki link
Egypt/Syria and Jordan were massing on Israel's borders.
The Russians were also instigating issues.
Closing the Straits of Tiran was considered a violation of accepted Maritime law - an act of war. Egypt knew this - it happened before.

Israel did the preemptive attack triggered by the closure. Egypt was warned and given a week to back down. Israel was not bluffing and the Arab nations with Nasser in the lead were declaring a wipe out of Israel was needed. covert military operations were already underway by the Arabs against Israel.

Again, I doubt you can produce any evidence that Egypt's claimed blockade was even been enforced when Israel attacked, and I haven't seen any confirmation of your claim of Syria and Jordan massing troops either. Egypt did put a couple of tank battalions on the boarder, but they were obviously bluffing which Israel called them on and dealt with swiftly.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Again, I doubt you can produce any evidence that Egypt's claimed blockade was even been enforced when Israel attacked, and I haven't seen any confirmation of your claim of Syria and Jordan massing troops either. Egypt did put a couple of tank battalions on the boarder, but they were obviously bluffing which Israel called them on and dealt with swiftly.

The 1967 War (The Six-Day War)
After a period of relative calm, border incidents between Israel and Syria, Egypt, and Jordan increased during the early 1960s, with Palestinian guerrilla groups actively supported by Syria. In May, 1967, President Nasser, his prestige much eroded through his inaction in the face of Israeli raids, requested the withdrawal of UN forces from Egyptian territory, mobilized units in the Sinai, and closed the Gulf of Aqaba to Israel. Israel (which had no UN forces stationed on its territory) responded by mobilizing. 7
The escalation of threats and provocations continued until June 5, 1967, when Israel launched a massive air assault that crippled Arab air capability. With air superiority protecting its ground forces, Israel controlled the Sinai peninsula within three days and then concentrated on the Jordanian frontier, capturing Jerusalem?s Old City (subsequently annexed), and on the Syrian border, gaining the strategic Golan Heights. The war, which ended on June 10, is known as the Six-Day War. 8
The Suez Canal was closed by the war, and Israel declared that it would not give up Jerusalem and that it would hold the other captured territories until significant progress had been made in Arab-Israeli relations. The end of active, conventional fighting was followed by frequent artillery duels along the frontiers and by clashes between Israelis and Palestinian guerrillas. 9

http://worldnews.about.com/od/...eas1/i/arabisraeli.htm

The 1967 Six Day War was launched in response to Egypt, Syria, and Jordan massing troops along Israel's borders; in the war, Israel captured territory including the West Bank and the Gaza Strip and more Palestinians fled. In the 1973 Yom Kippur War, Egypt and Syria attacked on the High Holy Day, resulting in a tougher fight for the Israelis and the eventual downfall of Prime Minister Golda Meir's government.

 

[JEDIYoda]

iGas states---
Holocaust surviving Jews are vile because they would trade their Jewish friends and neighbors to befriend Nazi and enriched them self.

Jews are their worst enemy., and they would steal properties from others to call it their own. <-- thats mighty short sided of you to actually believe that to be the case. Most of the land the Jews have was obtained via the arabs attacking and israel defending herself.

You don't see Russian running around crying daily about what the German did to them, nor Chinese cries because Japanese murdered ten of millions of them, nor Vietnamese cries daily about how the Japanese did millions of Vietnamese in during World War 2 or the millions of death under the American conquest.



Vietnamese didn't complaint about their lost in wars as much as Jews, while keep their head down at work therefore most people regard them as intelligent, and honest hard workers. While many people sees Jews as a bunch of dishonest thieves that complaints daily about something that happens 60+ ago by reciting some distance people names that they never met or related to.


It would be better serve the true Jesuit people if you suck it up an move on instead of being a whimpering Ku Klux Klan Zionist.

You really have issues with the jewish people. As a Jew myself your labeling all jews under the same umbrella. Your hatred is very evident. I see nobody crying about what took palce during ww2. But it would be stoopid to forget all about the holocaust! None of the peoples you mentioned have forgotten about the mass killing that took place.
Also none of these people are contually being threatened with being wiped off the face of the earth.
All my Jewish friends are hard working people with familys who Love life and the challenges of life.
But we do teach our children about the holocaust. At the same time some of also teach forgiveness and living together as one.
Not all Jews approve of how the Palestinians are being treated.
Yet you can`t deny they are truly their own worst enemy.
While people who think like you are the enemy of the Jews.
In fact your use of the KKK in the same sentence as Zionist is just your way of showing your ignorance on the subject!

 

[iGas]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

iGas states---
Holocaust surviving Jews are vile because they would trade their Jewish friends and neighbors to befriend Nazi and enriched them self.

Jews are their worst enemy., and they would steal properties from others to call it their own. <-- thats mighty short sided of you to actually believe that to be the case. Most of the land the Jews have was obtained via the arabs attacking and israel defending herself.

You don't see Russian running around crying daily about what the German did to them, nor Chinese cries because Japanese murdered ten of millions of them, nor Vietnamese cries daily about how the Japanese did millions of Vietnamese in during World War 2 or the millions of death under the American conquest.



Vietnamese didn't complaint about their lost in wars as much as Jews, while keep their head down at work therefore most people regard them as intelligent, and honest hard workers. While many people sees Jews as a bunch of dishonest thieves that complaints daily about something that happens 60+ ago by reciting some distance people names that they never met or related to.


It would be better serve the true Jesuit people if you suck it up an move on instead of being a whimpering Ku Klux Klan Zionist.

You really have issues with the jewish people. As a Jew myself your labeling all jews under the same umbrella. Your hatred is very evident. I see nobody crying about what took palce during ww2. But it would be stoopid to forget all about the holocaust! None of the peoples you mentioned have forgotten about the mass killing that took place.
Also none of these people are contually being threatened with being wiped off the face of the earth.
All my Jewish friends are hard working people with familys who Love life and the challenges of life.
But we do teach our children about the holocaust. At the same time some of also teach forgiveness and living together as one.
Not all Jews approve of how the Palestinians are being treated.
Yet you can`t deny they are truly their own worst enemy.
While people who think like you are the enemy of the Jews.
In fact your use of the KKK in the same sentence as Zionist is just your way of showing your ignorance on the subject!

It is sad that people like you can utter "forgiveness and living together as one", then steals land, built walls, destroy farms and water wells.

Conquests, Nazi, Japanese, KKK, Khmer Rouge, Hutu. and Zionism = same shit but different pile (racial/land grab).