EMF Questions

aviwil

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As I've seen a few threads here about mentioning health risks about EMF from mobiles , wi-fi , DECT etc. as being negligible , I thought it would be helpful to present some opposing views on this in the following links . I am sure no expert in this field , but it would appear that this is still a very open question , to say the least . I would welcome any technical comments from anyone .
http://www.microwavenews.com/
http://bemri.org/archive/hese-uk/en/niemr/wireless.php
http://www.tetrawatch.net/science/dect.php
 

z1ggy

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I doubt it would ever publicly be announced even if using your mobile phone could cause brain cancer. People might freak and not use their cell.. a lot of negatives could happen. I don't know how extreme it may be, but look what happened about swine flu. "Epidemic" ? Not even close...
 

corkyg

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Like most things of this nature, the health threat is a matter of degree. By that I mean, the number of sustained hours of use at which frequencies and power levels. Very little of such data is presented because it would, in most cases, wipe away the Chicken Little syndrome - something that is nearly always exaggerated and based on worst case scenarios.

BTW - how about digital TV and satellite raio (XM-Sirius?) How about traffic signal sensors? How about GPS signals? There are RF emissions all around us everywhere - and yet, our life span continues to be extended.
 

aviwil

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Thanks for the replies .
z1ggy , I think you're right .
corkyg , if I understood you properly , with all due respect .Let's take for example what these articles claim about DECT ,i.e. it's an approx. 1.9 GHZ frequency being emitted at high power levels to ensure greater range , quality etc. , CONSTANTLY , and not just when phone callls are taking place . If this is indeed true , then anyone with such or any similar type system , whatever it may be ( super satellite etc. ) , installed at home , may well be facing some very serious questions . It would surely be stretching it , in my opinion , to brush this off as nothing .
 

pm

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I remember years ago there were concerns about high votltage power lines causing leukemia. But then they did a study of people who worked on repairing high voltage power lines and found they were, on average, far healthier than the average population (it was thought that this is because they have a non-sedentary job). I can provide links to the studies tonight when I'm home if you are curious.

It never hurts to be prudent and cautious. To use a wired headet - more comfortable anyway, not sleep with your cell phone under your pillow, and generally avoid exposure unless you need to... it doesn't hurt, might help, but probably has no effect.

That said, while being prudent, as an engineer I don't see how these signals at these power levels could have a long term impact beyond a minor issue of localized heating of tissue but you can get a similar effect by blow-drying your hair - or merely taking a hot shower. With my 6 years of education in electronics and RF signalling, I can't see a problem. Beyond that, while I see a lot of people worried about it, I haven't seen any mainstream peer-reviewed medical literature showing a significant correlation.

I did look over the websites but they seem more conspiracy oriented than informative. Lots of discussions of where information is omitted not a lot of discussion about the data itself. Also lots of discussion over why there could be a problem, but not a lot of good studies well funded, large population sample studies showing that there is a problem. There have been lots of studies - but even the biggest of all, the Interphone study, has a lot of strange conflicting data (if you look at the data from a couple of countries, among them, France, it showed that using a cell phone had a statistical chance of reducing the liklihood of cancer). The sampling sizes are too small. I would like to see a large sutdy, with a control group, over a large percentage of the random population - not selectively picking people with cancer like Interphone. It would take longer, and cost more, but the results would be statistically valid.

Still, by far the biggest cause of deaths in teenagers and young adults is motor vehicles. I think money would be better spent in continuing to improve motor vehicle safety (mandated ABS and traction control systems in all vehicles, prohibiting the use of cell phones while driving) - where there is a known and very obvious correlation.

One thing that I was thinking was that would expected to be an increase in the cancer incidence rate over time correlating to an increased exposure rate. I pulled the data from the SEER database at cancer.gov, and shows that - despite better screening methods - the cancer incidence rate for both children and adults from 1990 (cell phones rare) to 2006 (cell phones common) - the numbers look pretty much the same.
Children: http://seer.cancer.gov/csr/197...=sect_28_table.02.html
Adults: http://seer.cancer.gov/csr/197...=sect_02_table.04.html

In fact, given better screening techniques (we are better at finding cancer) you would think the rates would be slightly up so I was a bit surprised to see the trend line is fairly flat.
 

aviwil

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Thanks pm . As far as I can see , those sites appear to quote quite a few studies , indicating problems . There also are some warnings and serious statements by official bodies from a few countries ( mostly European ) , calling for a re-evaluation of recommended levels/standards etc. in the light of all this .
" With my 6 years of education in electronics and RF signalling, I can't see a problem. " - I think this is a very sweeping statement to be making . I certainly cannot say there is definitely a problem . But I think it quite fair to say that there are very serious open questions here.
Re the cancer data - I know a liitle on this unpleasant subject . There have been cases of this sickness revealing itself in certain groups , 30 or 40 years after being exposed to it's apparent cause .
 

pm

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Originally posted by: aviwil
" With my 6 years of education in electronics and RF signalling, I can't see a problem. " - I think this is a very sweeping statement to be making . I certainly cannot say there is definitely a problem . But I think it quite fair to say that there are very serious open questions here.
I didn't mean it to be a sweeping statement. I was trying to say "I have 6 years of education, and 14 years of experience as an electrical engineer, with roughly 6 years of that 14 years working specifically on ~2GHz RF signalling, and I don't see how ~200mW RF in the ~1.6-2.4GHz range would do much more than heat up skin, or the layer just under the skin". I'm not saying "there is no problem", I'm saying I can't see how it could be a problem.

The bulk of my post is basically to say, that there may be a valid concern, but if there is something going on, I don't see how it would work and I think I can say that I'm not a complete layman in this area. I would like to see more data before I would change my opinion.