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Elizabeth Warren proposes breaking up Amazon, Google, and Facebook

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I find it odd you fault one company for not doing enough censorship and then fault a different company because they are engaging in censorship.
There's a helluva difference between cheerfully working with government-backed censorship of all dissent (remember the banning of Winnie the Poo?) and a private platform enabling the spread of anti-vaccine propaganda to reach a public health crisis.

Not that Facebook wouldn't bow to China in a heartbeat. Zuckerberg was (probably still is) shamelessly desperate to get at the Chinese market. He was photographed with Xi Jinping's little propaganda book prominently on his desk and damn near begged to name his son after the Chinese president.
 
I read about this a couple of days ago and thought, why not AT&T, Disney, etc., too?

why not just nationalize all of them? we can trust the government!

i have distrust of intentions when the government starts bailing out companies or trying to break them up. "breakups" often seem to end with with a bunch of subsidiaries and shells that really just make it more complicated, but does not actually solve any of the things someone was trying to control for.
 
Geez, why can’t we just start with better privacy laws like the EU and move on from there? I wonder if this will turn off younger voters who have grown up with these companies?
 
Well, she's got some lady balls to go after the largest disseminators of news (WaPo is owned by Bezos after all) right at the start of her campaign.

Frankly I disagree with her, not out of any love for Facebook or Twitter or Amazon, but really that issues that exist with these platforms is a symptom of a deeper cultural illness that is exposed by but not caused by the platforms themselves.

Breaking up these companies is heavy handed, with unpredictable results, and really just pushes the problem elsewhere (Materialism, Emotional Thinking, Tribalism, 140 Character Deep Thoughts).
 
Well, she's got some lady balls to go after the largest disseminators of news (WaPo is owned by Bezos after all) right at the start of her campaign.

Frankly I disagree with her, not out of any love for Facebook or Twitter or Amazon, but really that issues that exist with these platforms is a symptom of a deeper cultural illness that is exposed by but not caused by the platforms themselves.

Breaking up these companies is heavy handed, with unpredictable results, and really just pushes the problem elsewhere (Materialism, Emotional Thinking, Tribalism, 140 Character Deep Thoughts).

WaPo isn't part of Amazon so the first part is just nonsense. And Bezos trying to force WaPo to target her would backfire spectacularly and actually legitimize her saying something needs to be done about them.

The thing is, she's not wrong that there's anti-competitive issues at play. If you actually look at what she's saying, she pointing to legitimate anti-competitive behavior (i.e. working to control the marketplace that you're already fairly dominant in, and then using that to gain unfair advantage, or ). Frankly, I don't know how the hell Apple was able to get away with some of the stuff they've done (like forcing others to use the Safari rendering engine, that's worse than what Microsoft did with IE, and Apple was already pretty much doing what got Microsoft in trouble, and then took it to a new level; and their shenanigans in trying to deal with Amazon's anti-competitive behavior by colluding to fix e-book prices).

I don't really agree with her in that I think there are other markets that require attention as they are bigger issues (that actually help those companies in the practices she talks about), and I do think there's definite potential downsides to breaking them up, so I'd prefer other courses of action, but I think there's definite things about them that warrant scrutiny (a major one is the lack of accountability for not taking people's privacy and data seriously).

There's plenty of legitimate stuff to go after these major corporations in general on too. Like trying to force arbitration on various issues (both as consumers and employees). And so I think we should start with that stuff. And like with Amazon (who has started doing stuff like Wal-Mart, underpaying employees such that they end up dependent on social programs) getting special tax breaks (they're hardly the only one though). Although I'm not sure there's any reason we couldn't also look into other aspects at the same time. There's definitely some issues related to marketplaces that needs looked into (app stores like Apple, Google/Android, Microsoft, and Steam - Steam tried to fight against abiding by laws, like offering refunds for a long time).

This is very different from what conservatives have been pissing and moaning and calling for something to be done about them. Well for the most part (there's a jackass from Missouri that is using him going after them in some legit manners to build up that he's tough on this stuff for political clout when I think its more that he's just trying to harm them any way he can and they just happen to give him an easy avenue for it). We know the MPAA was trying to get state Attorneys General to go after Google. A Democratic one from Mississippi got caught using basically word for word prepared stuff given to him by the MPAA, and made a big bluster until he got caught redhanded. He was part of a pretty bipartisan group that had signed on over that issue until it fell apart after the MPAA link was revealed.
 
For some this idea of Warren's might seem a bit radical. But fare warning, there might come a day when we wish this had been done.
The day companies become so huge, then toss in a few mergers to create an actual monster, and such monstrous companies emerge where they can financially control every aspect of life. Imagine the new Amazon-Mart inc so large that one monster could dictate healthcare, social security, and middle class wages across the board. Basically owning and controlling our congress right down to the state level.
After all, Amazon already screwed New York and held them hostage.
New York failed to pay, thus Amazon punished.
Just imaging THAT on the scale of hundreds. Thousands.
Today we're buying watches and laptops from THE BIG GUYS. Tomorrow it may be our mortgages, cars, food and children education we depend on Amazon for.
 
My position on the breakup of Apple, Google, Amazon and Facebook is different from Senator Warren's. I am looking at it on the information side. She is is looking at it on the business side. Her reasoning is spot on. A lot of people agree with her position and believe she gives a good argument. The amount of information and the use of sophisticated business systems and algorithms give these companies to much control of our information. Congress has to wrest some of that control from them and put a clamp on their free and unchecked use of it.
 
Fair enough but if the policies prove unpalatable to moderates it's going to be a tough slog for the presidency. I think policies like medicare for all, the majority can get behind, but something like this IMO is on the borderline of what may be acceptable to the voting public.

Yeah. It doesn't really speak to a problem that people are asking to be solved (unlike healthcare.)

I can't buy Amazon basics batteries/cables etc on Amazon, but I can buy cheap Chinese ones?

Umm, ok, thanks senator.. way to stick it to the Man...

What about keeping my private data safe and not resold a million times? That's more useful imo, but even then you won't get too many viewers engaged.

Ds just got to make this way too complicated.

Hillary didn't lose due to lack of 10 pt plans and white papers. This shit just gets you in trouble imo.

Just promise middle class tax cuts, public option, some road building, not being Trump and call it a day.
 
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