Elizabeth Warren interviewed by Charlemagne the god

[Perknose]

The Clinton v Trump matchup had one of the lowest voter engagement turnouts in history. To fixate on the votes she won ignores the voters that simply stayed home.

Not in nearly the last 50 years, it didn't!

According to Wikipedia, voter turnout in the Presidential election of 2016, as a percentage of the voting age population, was HIGHER than in every year but two going all the way back to 1972!

It was HIGHER than in 2012, 2000, 1996, 1992, 1988, 1984, 1980, 1976, and 1972.

Fixate on that! 😉

https://imgur.com/73A8rgV

 

[Starbuck1975]

Not in nearly the last 50 years, it didn't!

According to Wikipedia, voter turnout in the Presidential election of 2016, as a percentage of the voting age population, was HIGHER than in every year but two going all the way back to 1972!

It was HIGHER than in 2012, 2000, 1996, 1992, 1988, 1984, 1980, 1976, and 1972.

Fixate on that! 😉

https://imgur.com/73A8rgV

I stand corrected on that point. I knew the 2016 election failed to break 60%. I thought turnout was higher in the 80s and 90s. My mistake. It makes the conversation more depressing than it already was.

 

[Perknose]

I stand corrected on that point. I knew the 2016 election failed to break 60%. I thought turnout was higher in the 80s and 90s. My mistake. It makes the conversation more depressing than it already was.

Spoken like a gentleman!

 

[brandonbull]

Oh, but they did. THREE MILLION more Americans voted for "the carpet bagging entitled hypocritical third way uninspired coronation."

Clinton lost in the Slavery Inspired College for the following reasons:

1. The cumulative effects of the well-funded and relentless multi-year hate campaign against her husband for having the temerity to become a Democratic President.

2. Not having a penis. Being a woman was then and still now is something many Joe Sixpack, Reagan Dems just can't bring themselves to vote for . . . often because they feel shackled to the ex-cheerleader alternate they impregnated and had to marry, and other beautiful, forward thinking reasons that are not at all misogynistic.

3. Being a fairly physically unattractive woman at that. Did I mention her last name is Beelzebub Clinton?

4.Running a brain-dead, top down campaign that ignored several key battleground states they assumed were safe.

5. Coming across personally as the awkward, lawerly policy geek she is. So NOT being a person the entire swaths of the hoi polloi would want to have a beer with, because at this point in the history of the republic people prefer a manly liar like Trump or a friendly simpleton like Bush to, you know, someone actually suitable for the job.

6. Dems on the pristine left for whom Hillary wasn't left enough, despite many of their political positions being not all THAT different:

Well, they tried hard and they came close, but Obama the person was a far better orator, and came across far better in public than Hillary, the awkward nerd, ever could. And thank God he was never married to Bill "The Dem Debil" Clinton! Plus, Obama could more easily run on Hope and Change since he had a far shorter record on the national stage to vilify. The American electorate, in the aggregate, is ALWAYS susceptible to anyone they legitimately think will bring actual, positive change. THAT'S HOW JFK got elected, you know? And also, sadly, Trump.

You want to make it a simplistic, one note reason why Clinton lost. You have to ignore a ton of the actual political landscape to do so. That certainly must take a ton of effort. Or maybe you just don't do . . . nuance?

So Hillary got cheated by the EC and not because she is a terrible politician? She lost the "popular vote" in 30 states and California accounted for 4.2M of HIllary's 3M vote win in the "popular vote" contest.

 

[BurnItDwn]

As you can see from my comments above, most of your reasons are indeed imaginary. For more info, see here:
https://www.politifact.com/punditfa...mples-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-hol/

Thanks for this...
One other reason why I personally do not like her is that the DNC leaked questions to her before debates in order to give her unfair advantage against other candidates. The primary was rigged strongly in her favor. Note, maybe this is indiciative of the entire DNC being currupt at its core and not really a Clinton thing though...



Now, I would offer some concessions to you, that, yes, maybe she didnt want war, but, the fact is, her vote helped to allow the war.
I would arge that she is clever, and should have realized that warmongers like Cheney and Bolton would abuse that and do everything in their power to make more wars .


I think TPP maybe could have been a net benefit to the stock indexes, but, I think it would have a negative impact on American workers? I believe we should only be open to trade when it benefits US workers.


The biggest thing with TARP to me is that the banks that caused all the problems weren't broken up like they should have been. The criminals who ran then should have been prosecuted and penalized under the maximum extent of the law. Also, too much money went right back into the banks that were selling bad debts and lying about it..

But, maybe she voted for it despite it being imperfect just like how Sanders voted for that awful crime bill in order to get the violence against women act.

So I'll give her some credit, she wasn't terrible.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Thanks for this...
One other reason why I personally do not like her is that the DNC leaked questions to her before debates in order to give her unfair advantage against other candidates. The primary was rigged strongly in her favor. Note, maybe this is indiciative of the entire DNC being currupt at its core and not really a Clinton thing though...



Now, I would offer some concessions to you, that, yes, maybe she didnt want war, but, the fact is, her vote helped to allow the war.
I would arge that she is clever, and should have realized that warmongers like Cheney and Bolton would abuse that and do everything in their power to make more wars .


I think TPP maybe could have been a net benefit to the stock indexes, but, I think it would have a negative impact on American workers? I believe we should only be open to trade when it benefits US workers.


The biggest thing with TARP to me is that the banks that caused all the problems weren't broken up like they should have been. The criminals who ran then should have been prosecuted and penalized under the maximum extent of the law. Also, too much money went right back into the banks that were selling bad debts and lying about it..

But, maybe she voted for it despite it being imperfect just like how Sanders voted for that awful crime bill in order to get the violence against women act.

So I'll give her some credit, she wasn't terrible.

As a great man once said, she’s likable enough

 

[dank69]

Thanks for this...
One other reason why I personally do not like her is that the DNC leaked questions to her before debates in order to give her unfair advantage against other candidates. The primary was rigged strongly in her favor. Note, maybe this is indiciative of the entire DNC being currupt at its core and not really a Clinton thing though...



Now, I would offer some concessions to you, that, yes, maybe she didnt want war, but, the fact is, her vote helped to allow the war.
I would arge that she is clever, and should have realized that warmongers like Cheney and Bolton would abuse that and do everything in their power to make more wars .


I think TPP maybe could have been a net benefit to the stock indexes, but, I think it would have a negative impact on American workers? I believe we should only be open to trade when it benefits US workers.


The biggest thing with TARP to me is that the banks that caused all the problems weren't broken up like they should have been. The criminals who ran then should have been prosecuted and penalized under the maximum extent of the law. Also, too much money went right back into the banks that were selling bad debts and lying about it..

But, maybe she voted for it despite it being imperfect just like how Sanders voted for that awful crime bill in order to get the violence against women act.

So I'll give her some credit, she wasn't terrible.

Yeah, Donna Brazille gave her one question in advance, but remember, the Clinton campaign did not ask for it, it was unsolicited. On top of that, it was a question about the Flint water problem which was a big deal in the news anyway and if she wasn't already prepped for that one her prep team was shit. That is another perfect example of some bullshit that got blown way out of proportion during election season because people refuse to research anything anymore and just read headlines.

 

[hal2kilo]

Yeah, Donna Brazille gave her one question in advance, but remember, the Clinton campaign did not ask for it, it was unsolicited. On top of that, it was a question about the Flint water problem which was a big deal in the news anyway and if she wasn't already prepped for that one her prep team was shit. That is another perfect example of some bullshit that got blown way out of proportion during election season because people refuse to research anything anymore and just read headlines.

I call it the Bernie angle.

 

[KMFJD]

I'm Warren > Sanders > Harris > Field > Biden, who's still to be clear 10,000 miles ahead of Trump.