Elitism vs. Wanting the Best

[AstroManLuca]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Elitism is "knowing" what is best and demands you do what they tell you. It has nothing to do with wanting nice things. It's more the attitude "I know what is best for you and will force you to do it, even if I don't follow it myself." Reference the current administration as a perfect example of elitism.

So would your post also be considered elitist, or just hypocritical?

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: AntiFreze

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: AntiFreze
Ok, situational question...

If I'm at a party and they only have US macrobrew beer, I will pass on it. I do not enjoy miller, bud lite, etc. I don't say "I dont drink that crap, you need to get X". I just say no thanks. Now my friends know that I love beer. I drink it, brew it, condition it, age it. They will vocally call me an elitist. Am I being an elitist? Why should I drink something that I don't enjoy.

Tell them to do a double blind taste test with you as the subject. If you can easily tell which beers are local microbrew vs us macrobrew and you don't like the macrobrew, then you aren't being an elitist. If you can't tell the difference, then maybe you are. Unless you prefer not to drink macrobrew because of some other issue - e.g. wanting to support local micro-breweries.

I drink micro > macro for tons of reason (taste, quality, support local, health). And I could easily easily pass a taste test. I think I will do this.

What are the health benefits? I'm with you on the other ones, but hadn't heard about health differences.

 

[nageov3t]

you cross the line into elitism when you treat anyone who thinks differently with condescension and dismissal.

ie: there are certain brands of clothing that I prefer. if I have to spend significantly more money to buy them than other brands, so be it... if I meet someone who buys all their clothes at walmart, great for them. it's not for me, but I'm not going to berate them for it. I think that's wanting the best without being an elitist about it.

 

[AntiFreze]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: AntiFreze

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: AntiFreze
Ok, situational question...

If I'm at a party and they only have US macrobrew beer, I will pass on it. I do not enjoy miller, bud lite, etc. I don't say "I dont drink that crap, you need to get X". I just say no thanks. Now my friends know that I love beer. I drink it, brew it, condition it, age it. They will vocally call me an elitist. Am I being an elitist? Why should I drink something that I don't enjoy.

Tell them to do a double blind taste test with you as the subject. If you can easily tell which beers are local microbrew vs us macrobrew and you don't like the macrobrew, then you aren't being an elitist. If you can't tell the difference, then maybe you are. Unless you prefer not to drink macrobrew because of some other issue - e.g. wanting to support local micro-breweries.

I drink micro > macro for tons of reason (taste, quality, support local, health). And I could easily easily pass a taste test. I think I will do this.

What are the health benefits? I'm with you on the other ones, but hadn't heard about health differences.

unfiltered beer that still has the yeast in the beer (as is the case with most microbrews (not macro)) has tons and tons of vitamins, minerals, and antioxidants. Also local ingredients can help your immune system (local hops, barley, honey, etc.)

 

[zerocool84]

Apple

/thread


You could also throw in some grass-fed beef in there.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

as a guest, to refuse a beverage because it does not meet your standards is elitist IMO. so would be saying stuff like 'i dont know how you guys can drink that piss', 'why dont you try a good beer like ____'.

even inferior products have some merit, but elitists will not acknowledge those. elitists tend to hyperbolize, try to distance their preference as much as possible from competitors. american macro brews do NOT taste like piss in the literal sense.

everyone wants the 'best', as in they want their preference. however, only elitists will refuse and dissmiss all but their prefence.

 

[actuarial]

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
as a guest, to refuse a beverage because it does not meet your standards is elitist IMO. so would be saying stuff like 'i dont know how you guys can drink that piss', 'why dont you try a good beer like ____'.

even inferior products have some merit, but elitists will not acknowledge those. elitists tend to hyperbolize, try to distance their preference as much as possible from competitors. american macro brews do NOT taste like piss in the literal sense.

everyone wants the 'best', as in they want their preference. however, only elitists will refuse and dissmiss all but their prefence.

There's always a line though. Some people will say yes to coke but no to pepsi (or vice versa), does that make you an eliteist?

I would say no to a guinness, because I don't like the beer. I also would say yes to a Canadian/Blue.

Would you be reaching for that garlic toast if it was so burnt to a crisp the fire department was called?

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
as a guest, to refuse a beverage because it does not meet your standards is elitist IMO. so would be saying stuff like 'i dont know how you guys can drink that piss', 'why dont you try a good beer like ____'.

even inferior products have some merit, but elitists will not acknowledge those. elitists tend to hyperbolize, try to distance their preference as much as possible from competitors. american macro brews do NOT taste like piss in the literal sense.

everyone wants the 'best', as in they want their preference. however, only elitists will refuse and dissmiss all but their prefence.

When I drink any macro domestic beers they really do taste nasty. If that is all that's available I honestly won't drink more then 1-2 to be social because I simply don't like them.

That's not elitism or wanting the best. That's just wanting something that isn't nasty.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
as a guest, to refuse a beverage because it does not meet your standards is elitist IMO.

If he were at a business meeting with foreign managers maybe. If he were at a party with his friends who already know he doesn't like Budweiser, I don't see how it's elitist. They know he doesn't like it and they still continue to buy it and make comments about him. My friends know I can't stand cheap red wine that is consumed right out of the just-opened bottle. They bring white wine once in a while instead, which is a lot more tolerable.

 

[JulesMaximus]

People who don't want the best aren't worth my time or effort. Screw those plebian douchenozzles.