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Silly Spitzer. Sex trumps murder and money in the outrage department any day.
Silly Spitzer. Sex trumps murder and money in the outrage department any day.
it'll be interesting to see how this plays out, as he is a superdelegate and has pledged to vote for hillary
even if he loses his SD status after his resignation, it seems unlikely that the new governor would not endorse a sitting senator for his state, especially one who handily won the primary there and enjoys a comfortable approval rating at home.
Whoozyerdaddy
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LOL... I mentioned the whole "forsaking all others" part in an earlier post. Jump back a few pages for rationalizing goodness.
Fern
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Sounds like Spitzer could have some big problems if the DoJ pushes it hard.
I heard up to 20 yrs last night.
Apparently he also ran afoul of the Mann Act (up to 5 yrs per act just for it alone). IIRC, the others are already charged with it and they expect to him to be also.
Fern
I heard up to 20 yrs last night.
Apparently he also ran afoul of the Mann Act (up to 5 yrs per act just for it alone). IIRC, the others are already charged with it and they expect to him to be also.
Fern
Bowfinger
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I find it hard to believe they'll do anything to Spitzer. He is only one of many -- hundreds? -- of Johns, and I'll bet scores of them made arrangements that crossed state lines. Unless Spitzer did something unique and especially heinous, they'll be hard-pressed to treat him differently. Time will tell.
Bowfinger
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Indeed it is. While both are "adultery" in principle, one of them is merely a physical act of sex while the other is physical sex with all sorts of emotional relationship complications. There is a huge difference between the two. While your personal morality may find both to be wrong, you can surely rise above self-righteous indignation for just a moment to recognize that one is more wrong, more harmful, than the other.Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Yeah, obviously it's "better" than just an affair... :roll:Originally posted by: Perknose
Sigh. At least it was with women. Adult women. Adult, consenting women.
Sheesh..
Hayabusa Rider
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I think I'll drop this one as there are many out there on a moral crusade. Unless there is a giant wink that I'm not seeing I find it hard to believe that individuals will happily have sex with one person for half a century. I also find it hard to believe that for those who would do such a thing, they'd be happy to watch pornographic films, magazines, or fantasize about other women and not consider it cheating. I guess when you're flirting with an office-mate, you wouldn't consider that cheating? But it is because your wife doesn't know about it and she certainly wouldn't approve.
But, then again, many of you are probably no better than Spitzer, Jim Baker, Ted Haggert, Larry Craig, Mark Foley. You know, the pricks that scold others for leading a sinful life but do it themselves. You claim to have the moral high ground but are even worse than the common man. What are they called? Oh, that's right. The word is hypocrite. And it makes your wives, children, and the larger public cynical.
I'm being perfectly honest here and some here are pretending to be choir-boys. Spare me the moral fortitude that you have built up over the years. Whether it was caused by emasculation, timidry, or the very act of marriage, I still think there is a little man in all of us. There is no shame in that.
But, then again, many of you are probably no better than Spitzer, Jim Baker, Ted Haggert, Larry Craig, Mark Foley. You know, the pricks that scold others for leading a sinful life but do it themselves. You claim to have the moral high ground but are even worse than the common man. What are they called? Oh, that's right. The word is hypocrite. And it makes your wives, children, and the larger public cynical.
I'm being perfectly honest here and some here are pretending to be choir-boys. Spare me the moral fortitude that you have built up over the years. Whether it was caused by emasculation, timidry, or the very act of marriage, I still think there is a little man in all of us. There is no shame in that.
Wow, I'm just simply amazed at some of the reponses here that try to downplay was Spitzer has done.
Soliciting prostitution is illegal, even if people don't believe it should be.
Compound that with the fact that Spitzer is the freaking GOVERNOR os New York, and you have an even bigger problem. Any person in an elected position like Spitzer is automatically put on a higher level of accountability than most.
Now add to that the fact that Spitzer has absolutely railed against people in the past for committing acts of indiscretion, be it sexual or conflict of intrest and you have an even bigger issue.
The most astonishing thing about this entire mess is that in typical democrat fashion, when a scandal is brought out about a democrat, they don't resign, they say its "personal" and continue to downplay it as if it is something that WONT be a black cloud over their head for the rest of their lives.
In most intances, when a Republican does something not becoming to that of an elected official, they throw him off the train. When a democrat does the same, its time to circle the wagons and defend yourself to the very end, while only admitting to partial guilt.
Soliciting prostitution is illegal, even if people don't believe it should be.
Compound that with the fact that Spitzer is the freaking GOVERNOR os New York, and you have an even bigger problem. Any person in an elected position like Spitzer is automatically put on a higher level of accountability than most.
Now add to that the fact that Spitzer has absolutely railed against people in the past for committing acts of indiscretion, be it sexual or conflict of intrest and you have an even bigger issue.
The most astonishing thing about this entire mess is that in typical democrat fashion, when a scandal is brought out about a democrat, they don't resign, they say its "personal" and continue to downplay it as if it is something that WONT be a black cloud over their head for the rest of their lives.
In most intances, when a Republican does something not becoming to that of an elected official, they throw him off the train. When a democrat does the same, its time to circle the wagons and defend yourself to the very end, while only admitting to partial guilt.
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runzwithsizorz
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I thought the very same about Marion Berry, but nooooo.
With around a $200.000 pension for life, you could stick a fork in me as well!
It's not techically cheating to have sex with a prostitute (or any other woman for that matter) when you are married? Did we just make a major revision of the definition of cheating?
Just because women (in general) are interested more on love than sex, doesn't mean they won't have a serious problem with their husbands "getting it" with another woman.
I'm surprised too. But then again in our current society where people have been brought up with relatavistic reasoning, values clarification and situation ethics, nothing surprises me anymore. Right is wrong and wrong is right.
If he doesn't step down, he will be like a kid who refuses to accept the consequences of his indescressions and his law breaking. That would be a disgrace. It would be an even bigger disgrace if our state and country let him get away with it.
It wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't resign, but he would be doing the entire state of New York a disservice by remaining governer and being totally ineffective. I hope he, at least, realizes that and steps down for the greater good.
I think that Dari is being completely honest and is being unfairly railroaded by people trying to sound morally righteous when they have no ground to do so. For those that are bashing him for being engaged and holding this viewpoint, does anyone know for certain if he and his fiance have discussed or have decided to have an open relationship? What about a polyamorous relationship?
Everyone is so quick to try to squeeze everyone else into their box of morality and right and wrong rules without ever questioning whether the box that they have confined themselves to is a one size fits all option.
Just like the relationship that people have with whatever higher power they subscribe to or choose not to subscribe to, the relationship between two human beings is never the same as the relationship that two other humans will have. What is good for the Muslims is unacceptable for the Christians. What is good for the Moonbeams may not be acceptable to the Daris. Neither is right or wrong except in the other's eyes.
If they have discussed this and are in agreement with it, then no one has any right to judge them for it nor are they wrong, immoral or bad people for choosing it.
Everyone is so quick to try to squeeze everyone else into their box of morality and right and wrong rules without ever questioning whether the box that they have confined themselves to is a one size fits all option.
Just like the relationship that people have with whatever higher power they subscribe to or choose not to subscribe to, the relationship between two human beings is never the same as the relationship that two other humans will have. What is good for the Muslims is unacceptable for the Christians. What is good for the Moonbeams may not be acceptable to the Daris. Neither is right or wrong except in the other's eyes.
If they have discussed this and are in agreement with it, then no one has any right to judge them for it nor are they wrong, immoral or bad people for choosing it.
Like Tom DeLay? Did they throw him off the train or did they promote him to Speaker of the House? Please refresh my memory.
Edit: Since I haven't commented on the OT, if indicted, Spitzer should resign immediately. He betrayed the public trust (I really don't care what he did in his marital relationship b/c that is none of my business) and should accept the consequences.
If he is NOT indicted, he should still resign but I don't care if he stays. Remember righties, Vitter was on record as well and admitted to his indiscretions and is still serving and none of you are calling for his head. As usual, the Repubs set a precedent and then cry foul when it is played out in the reverse direction (a Dem doing it).
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