Eliminating all dairy products

[Howard]

Originally posted by: vailr
http://www.roex.com/healthyreads.htm

SOY! The Dangers of Soy! (links to various articles)
SOY! The Natural Dangers of Soy
SOY! Dangers of Isoflavins in Soy and Soy Based Foods
SOY! Attack of the Killer Bean: The Case Against Soy
SOY! Newest Research on Why You Should Avoid Soy: Cinderella's Dark Side

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: vailr
Nobody here is talking about the harmful hormones found in cow milk and dairy products.
http://www.notmilk.com
Also note: rice protein would seem to be a safer substitute than soy products.

What's wrong with soy products?

Where's the list of what is safe to eat?

I generally disregard information given by sites that have something to sell.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
It's unnatural to eat dairy after suckling, so why would anyone say dairy is a necessary part of human diet??? The food pyramid is a load of sh!t.

The food pyramid was created by lobbyists and lawyers of the industries most represented on it, if I recall correctly.

 

[TitanDiddly]

To avoid the negative drawbacks related with food, stop eating.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
It's unnatural to eat dairy after suckling, so why would anyone say dairy is a necessary part of human diet??? The food pyramid is a load of sh!t.

its unnatural to eat anything then, because nothing is evolved just for human consumption. its exactly opposite, we evolved based on what we could eat, and the variety of foods we ate led to us losing the ability to synthesis a whole lot of amino acids. ever wonder how other animals can get away with eating nothing but grass? they can synthesis all the amino acids by themselves, no need for variety, but it comes at the cost of a large energy costly digestive system. we instead have a large costly brain.

 

[Wag]

Soy can give you bitch tits (or so I've heard. I don't really care, since I hate that stuff anyway ), and soy and rice milk both have inferior protein to milk

Never fails. Whenever Soy is brought up this comes up as well.

If it were true, all Asian men would have tits.

 

[SludgeFactory]

Originally posted by: conjur
I was under the assumption that the body doesn't really absorb fat. It's the sugars and excess carbohydrates that get stored as fat. That's why drinking a 6-pack of Coke and downing some Twinkies and Doritoes is bad.

Nah, the part about the dietary fat not being absorbed is a myth. (But copious amounts of sugars will make you a hog, no doubt.)

The body digests fat just fine, and is really good at storing the excess. If you're not accustomed to eating high amounts of dietary fat and suddenly bomb your system with a ton of it, there will likely be chaos for a short time (e.g. Survivor, when they starve on rice for a couple weeks and finally get some super rich reward meal, they all gorge and then immediately run into the woods and assume the squatting position ), but the body will rapidly adjust if you maintain your changed diet. The human body is a wonderfully versatile and efficient food processor -- look at the huge variation in diets that have been consumed in different eras, locations, and cultures throughout history.

Unfortunately these ideas get perpetuated, that if you eat "too much" fat it gets pooped out (particularly popular amongst a certain percentage of low-carb devotees who really really want to believe in magic and can't be bothered to read a little), or if you eat "too much" protein all the extra calories get peed out (this one really is stupid).

 

[SludgeFactory]

Originally posted by: Whisper
A diet for professional body-building is one thing. A diet for everyday living by the average person is something else entirely.

Yes. They do some extreme things for extreme results. OTOH, if you're trying to develop a diet that you can live with long-term, dairy can be incorporated.

Skoorb already mentioned this, IIRC a number of studies have shown that in the context of a reduced calorie diet, high calcium intake from dairy products assisted in losing fat.

 

[huesmann]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Who the heck said that? Dairy is a good source of calcium, which has a proven benefit to weight loss.

nurse at my work who body builds compertitively(she's won a few trophies too)

I think the muscles have squeezed her brain too hard.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: SludgeFactory

Originally posted by: Whisper
A diet for professional body-building is one thing. A diet for everyday living by the average person is something else entirely.

Yes. They do some extreme things for extreme results. OTOH, if you're trying to develop a diet that you can live with long-term, dairy can be incorporated.

Skoorb already mentioned this, IIRC a number of studies have shown that in the context of a reduced calorie diet, high calcium intake from dairy products assisted in losing fat.

I'm looking for extreme results at this point. Diet appears to be 90% of all of this and if tweaking mine is what it takes to get the results I want so be it.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: SludgeFactory

Originally posted by: Whisper
A diet for professional body-building is one thing. A diet for everyday living by the average person is something else entirely.

Yes. They do some extreme things for extreme results. OTOH, if you're trying to develop a diet that you can live with long-term, dairy can be incorporated.

Skoorb already mentioned this, IIRC a number of studies have shown that in the context of a reduced calorie diet, high calcium intake from dairy products assisted in losing fat.

I'm looking for extreme results at this point. Diet appears to be 90% of all of this and if tweaking mine is what it takes to get the results I want so be it.

Are you preping for a big event. Wedding bells perhaps?

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: SludgeFactory

Originally posted by: Whisper
A diet for professional body-building is one thing. A diet for everyday living by the average person is something else entirely.

Yes. They do some extreme things for extreme results. OTOH, if you're trying to develop a diet that you can live with long-term, dairy can be incorporated.

Skoorb already mentioned this, IIRC a number of studies have shown that in the context of a reduced calorie diet, high calcium intake from dairy products assisted in losing fat.

I'm looking for extreme results at this point. Diet appears to be 90% of all of this and if tweaking mine is what it takes to get the results I want so be it.

Are you preping for a big event. Wedding bells perhaps?

I am trying to get and keep myself in the best shape possible.The thought of being able to look in the mirror and know that I have worked as hard as possible to maximize what nature gave me will be a satisfying feeling.I also look forward to remaining active as I grow older and not prone to easily broken bones and imjuries.

 

[Riprorin]

My worst injury ever came from lifting free weights. As a result, I've developed osteoarthritis in my neck which limits what I can do. Right now I have tendinitis in my right elbow from doing reverse curls.

I can't say that lifting weights has improved my quality of life.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
My worst injury ever came from lifting free weights. As a result, I've developed osteoarthritis in my neck which limits what I can do. Right now I have tendinitis in my right elbow from doing reverse curls.

I can't say that lifting weights has improved my quality of life.

Well,I'm obviously trying to avoid injury but have real hope that this sport will greatly enhance my quality of life both in an improved appearance and in some self confidence.

 

[Savij]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: SludgeFactory

Originally posted by: Whisper
A diet for professional body-building is one thing. A diet for everyday living by the average person is something else entirely.

Yes. They do some extreme things for extreme results. OTOH, if you're trying to develop a diet that you can live with long-term, dairy can be incorporated.

Skoorb already mentioned this, IIRC a number of studies have shown that in the context of a reduced calorie diet, high calcium intake from dairy products assisted in losing fat.

I'm looking for extreme results at this point. Diet appears to be 90% of all of this and if tweaking mine is what it takes to get the results I want so be it.

Are you preping for a big event. Wedding bells perhaps?

I am trying to get and keep myself in the best shape possible.The thought of being able to look in the mirror and know that I have worked as hard as possible to maximize what nature gave me will be a satisfying feeling.I also look forward to remaining active as I grow older and not prone to easily broken bones and imjuries.

First thing I thought of was that simpsons episode where marge starts out trying to get fit, but then she over does it, starts doing competitions and ends up beating the crap of out everyone at Moe's

Yeah, no useful info in this post...

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: Savij

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: SludgeFactory

Originally posted by: Whisper
A diet for professional body-building is one thing. A diet for everyday living by the average person is something else entirely.

Yes. They do some extreme things for extreme results. OTOH, if you're trying to develop a diet that you can live with long-term, dairy can be incorporated.

Skoorb already mentioned this, IIRC a number of studies have shown that in the context of a reduced calorie diet, high calcium intake from dairy products assisted in losing fat.

I'm looking for extreme results at this point. Diet appears to be 90% of all of this and if tweaking mine is what it takes to get the results I want so be it.

Are you preping for a big event. Wedding bells perhaps?

I am trying to get and keep myself in the best shape possible.The thought of being able to look in the mirror and know that I have worked as hard as possible to maximize what nature gave me will be a satisfying feeling.I also look forward to remaining active as I grow older and not prone to easily broken bones and imjuries.

First thing I thought of was that simpsons episode where marge starts out trying to get fit, but then she over does it, starts doing competitions and ends up beating the crap of out everyone at Moe's

Yeah, no useful info in this post...

Rotflmao!!! The only person I'm interested in "beating" is myself.There's something really cool about being able to do this.I dunno,it's like a sense of body compentancy or something.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: Riprorin
My worst injury ever came from lifting free weights. As a result, I've developed osteoarthritis in my neck which limits what I can do. Right now I have tendinitis in my right elbow from doing reverse curls.

I can't say that lifting weights has improved my quality of life.

Well,I'm obviously trying to avoid injury but have real hope that this sport will greatly enhance my quality of life both in an improved appearance and in some self confidence.

If you're working with someone that should help. I suspect that when I inured my neck I was using bad form.

Nothing wrong with looking and feeling good! Just be careful not to hurt yourself.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: Riprorin
My worst injury ever came from lifting free weights. As a result, I've developed osteoarthritis in my neck which limits what I can do. Right now I have tendinitis in my right elbow from doing reverse curls.

I can't say that lifting weights has improved my quality of life.

Well,I'm obviously trying to avoid injury but have real hope that this sport will greatly enhance my quality of life both in an improved appearance and in some self confidence.

If you're working with someone that should help. I suspect that when I inured my neck I was using bad form.

Nothing wrong with looking and feeling good! Just be careful not to hurt yourself.

This is going to sound really bad but I must admit to getting a certain enjoyment out of catty remarks made by my female age peers,sue me

 

[BaboonGuy]

Soy milk!!

 

[ultimatebob]

This idea sounds really dumb (espically for a woman over 30), but if you decide to do it anyway, make sure to take a multi-vitamin with a lot of Calcium in it. No diet or workout plan is worth getting osteoporosis over.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: ultimatebob
This idea sounds really dumb (espically for a woman over 30), but if you decide to do it anyway, make sure to take a multi-vitamin with a lot of Calcium in it. No diet or workout plan is worth getting osteoporosis over.

lifting weights will improve my bone density and help prevent osteoporosis.

 

[Azraele]

I would strongly urge you to stick with calcium.

 

[LongCoolMother]

kind of irrelevant, but people say soy is dangerous, eggs are bad, meat is bad, dairy is bad. on and on. well, it seems that there is no more food that is fine to eat. everything that is named, there is something dangerous or wrong with. what would be a diet which does not contain "bad" foods that does not require us to go back to eating nothing but cabbages, oh whoops, im sure someone will find something toxic in cabbage too.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

My former brother-in-law worked on his dad's dairy farm about twelve hours a day. He ate more food in a day than I typically ate in two, and the first thing he did when coming in at night was to chug a gallon of whole milk. I think he had another with breakfast, too. He was nothing but bone, muscle, and skin. Of course, hours of hard physical work every day pretty much explains that.