electronics in the classroom

yoda291

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This is kind of a rant as well as a question.
Do you think we should allow students to use electronic devices like pdas and laptops in high schools? Why or why not? If so, what sort, if any, restrictions would you place on it?

The reason I ask is because, in high school, I lugged around an old IBM thinkpad to do work on and take notes. Not only was it faster and easier to use than our clunky labs and workstations...it also made things easier for me. When it was time to study for exams or tests, I could perform searches on my notes for specific strings and text. History was, in particular, easier because I didn't have to troll through pages just to get the date of the spanish inquisition. I also know for a fact that our valedictorian wouldn't have gotten the scores he did because he couldn't refuse loaning his notes to other students to help themstudy when they asked, leaving him noteless until I started to offer to email my notes to people instead. In short, it was an excellent aide to me in school. Recently, however, the town passed a proposition that bans all forms of consumer electronics in the classroom, specifically, devices with computational power such as pdas, laptops, and even many kinds of advanced calculators. I spoke up at the last board of education meeting about this and did some private inquiry into it and was given a list of reasons, which I believe to be crock. Granted, I don't have the position or power to change the policy, but I did make sure they knew my opinion on it. The more sensible reasons, from the typed correspondence to me were:
- electronics disturb the natural progression of the class by allowing students a diversion from learning and conversing with their peers.
- electronics give an unfair advantage to certain students above their peers that are not as technologically equipped
- teachers are ill equipped and cannot be expected to be able to deter students from using said devices in a manner consistent with cheating

There were also several that made little sense to me like electronics have been a known influence to promote drug-related activities and whatnot.

I understand these points, but I have written back to them in counter that 1) if a student wishes to converse with their peers, there are much more efficient and cost effective ways of doing so. 2)If a student does not wish to focus on the learning materiel, the presence or absence of an electronic medium will do little to promote or deter them. 3)By denying the use of electronics to those who posses the ability to do so creates a deficiency for said student by restricting them from using all the resources available to them and limiting their ability to perform better(they already know my position that we should stop catering to those people who just don't want to learn). 4) It is reasonable to expect that access to electronic devices can be limited depending on the circumstances, such as in an exam.

Having said all that, I'm curious what the community here thinks.
 

TallBill

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thats what college is for. You dont get to shop much for your highschool. They are stupid, but remember they have to tend to all children's needs, so they either dont know how to help others or dont care.
 

Gooberlx2

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There were also several that made little sense to me like electronics have been a known influence to promote drug-related activities and whatnot.

Sounds like they're viewing only the negative stigma of beepers and their association to drug-dealers. If you want to de-bunk that one I'd suggest reminding them that media has even more associated beepers with doctors and successful businessmen.

Anyway, I agree that kids ought to be allowed to use laptops for things like notes, organization, and such. During exams they shouldn't be allowed. Notes are notes whether they're electronic or on paper. Kids in different hours for the same class are going to get answers, be it via IM or in person. If one kid takes notes and emails them to the class, then fine; all the other kids have the opportunity to actually listen in lecture and not concentrate on writing down what's on the chalkboard. Hell, such a thing should be encouraged by the educational systems, imo.

The opporunity to play games is no more or less a distraction in class. Kids who want to learn will, those who don't won't. Whether it's Quake 3, or doodling, you can't "not pay attention" any more one way over the other.

I see no reason teachers should be ill equipped to deter cheating with such devices, as the devices simply shouldn't be allowed when it counts. I also don't see how laptops, pdas, etc. create an unfair advantage for those students. Like I said before, notes are notes.
 

yoda291

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Originally posted by: bob970
thats what college is for. You dont get to shop much for your highschool. They are stupid, but remember they have to tend to all children's needs, so they either dont know how to help others or dont care.


The thing that irks me tho, and it's bothered me for quite some time is why do we have to tend to all children unilaterally? I mean, we live in a country where everyone is gaga over focusing on the individual, yet we can't seem to do it with our children. I say, if the student doesn't want to learn, let him go out and do whatever and when he's ready to come back and take in what we have to teach, let him/her back in. It makes me so angry when I see those one or two kids damn near falling over themselves with boredom and disinterest. If they don't wanna learn, we can't exactly make them...and contrary to some peoples beliefs, school is not a day care center.
 

Imdmn04

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who cares, highschool is a joke. you dont even need to take notes to get a good grade. just have fun and stop worrying about so much.
 

scorp00

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Who takes notes in high school? Who studies for high school? It's a joke and a waste of time to even attend. I'm suprised that they didn't put game playing on the list, I know that's what I did in high school in computer labs. :)
 

Darien

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Originally posted by: scorp00
Who takes notes in high school? Who studies for high school? It's a joke and a waste of time to even attend. I'm suprised that they didn't put game playing on the list, I know that's what I did in high school in computer labs. :)

Yup yup.



I was playing starcraft and quake 2 during high school. Some very kick back times. Except around AP test season...bleh. Well, not that I cared anyways. I was just focused on entertaining myself.



I think on the Calculus AP exam one of my friends drew a picture of a plane...
 

Scarpozzi

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I miss those high school days. There is no need for a lappy... A PDA might come in handy, but it'd be more of a toy than anything.