Electronic Voting Machines Switch Votes For Obama To McCain

jpeyton

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My initial reaction: Jesus Fucking Christ, not this shit again.

Secondary reaction: Why do these electronic voting machines ALWAYS seems to switch votes from the Democratic candidate to the Republican candidate, and NEVER the other way around?

Simpsons clip for comparison. <--- Looks like the Republicans aren't even trying to be original with their voter fraud ideas this year.

The excuse given by officials is that this was "user error". Typically, user error isn't 100% lopsided in favor of one candidate or party, as it is here.

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By Paul J. Nyden

WINFIELD, W.Va. -- Three Putnam County voters say electronic voting machines changed their votes from Democrats to Republicans when they cast early ballots last week.

This is the second West Virginia county where voters have reported this problem.
Last week, three voters in Jackson County told The Charleston Gazette their electronic vote for "Barack Obama" kept flipping to "John McCain".

In both counties, Republicans are responsible for overseeing elections. Both county clerks said the problem is isolated.

They also blamed voters for not being more careful.

"People make mistakes more than machines," said Jackson County Clerk Jeff Waybright.

Shelba Ketchum, a 69-year-old nurse retired from Thomas Memorial Hospital, described what happened Friday at the Putnam County Courthouse in Winfield.

"I pushed buttons and they all came up Republican," she said. "I hit Obama and it switched to McCain. I am really concerned about that. If McCain wins, there was something wrong with the machines.

"I asked them for a printout of my votes," Ketchum said. "But they said it was in the machine and I could not get it. I did not feel right when I left the courthouse. My son felt the same way.

"I heard from some other people they also had trouble. But no one in there knew how to fix it," said Ketchum, who is not related to Menis Ketchum, a Democratic Supreme Court candidate.

Ketchum's son, Chris, said he had the same problem. And Bobbi Oates of Scott Depot said her vote for incumbent Democratic Sen. John D. Rockefeller was switched to GOP opponent Jay Wolfe.

"I touched the one I wanted, Rockefeller, and the machine put a checkmark on the Republican instead," Oates said of her experience Thursday.

She said she caught the mistake, called over a worker in the county clerk's office and was able to correct her vote. But she worries other voters may not catch such a mistake.

When asked if she is sure she touched the box for Rockefeller, she said, "I'm absolutely positive."

Putnam County Clerk Brian Wood said on Saturday that he is upset there are "so many negative stories out there and not enough positive ones. We want people to vote. People need to know the facts.

"But we haven't had any major issues. We try to explain to voters how the machines work then they come in," Wood said.

In Putnam County, early voters have the option of asking for either touch-screen machines or optical scan ballots -- paper ballots on which people mark in their election choices.

Wood said some voters might not realize that touch-screen voting machines may take a few seconds to record their choices.

"The reaction time [on the machines] may be different. And when you hit the screen a second time, it cancels your vote," Wood said. "When you get in a hurry, if you go to fast and hit it again, you can cancel what you just did.

"The main thing people need to remember is that when you are done voting, make sure everybody you wanted to vote for has a check mark beside them," Wood said.

Ketchum said, "I am educated person. I know what I wanted. I am anxious to see who wins.

"My son Chris said, 'Mom, I didn't vote for the people who came up on that machine. I wanted to go back and vote again. I called the lady at the polls and she said it was my fault because of the way I was punching the buttons.'

"I want a paper ballot. I think it was very bad when they did away with paper ballots. I wish you had something in your hand that is a record of how you voted.

"I never felt that way before. It was early voting, so we went over there to get it over with. We won't do that again," Ketchum said.

Last week, three Jackson County residents said they experienced similar problems when they cast early ballots at the county courthouse in Ripley.

Virginia Matheney, one of those voters, said Friday, "When I touched the screen for Barack Obama, the check mark moved from his box to the box indicating a vote for John McCain."

Retired factory worker Calvin Thomas of Ripley said he experienced the same problem.

"When I pushed Obama, it jumped to McCain. When I went down to governor's office and punched [Gov. Joe] Manchin, it went to the other dude.

"After I finished, my daughter voted. When she pushed Obama, it went to McCain. It happened to her the same way it happened to me," Thomas said.

Jackson County Clerk Jeff Waybright, a Republican, said 400 other people voted without reporting any problems.

Wood said he and Waybright are both very careful to guarantee people's votes are recorded properly.

Wood said, "Voting machines are very reliable. I hate the fact that stories like this are printed. It makes everybody get scared.

"That is not good for anybody. Where the fault is, I don't know and the voter doesn't know. There needs to be good communication between the voters and the poll workers."

Wood offered this advice to voters: "The best way to solve this whole problem is that before you leave the voting booth, make sure on the review screen that everybody you want to vote for is checked."

More than 1,000 voters from 48 local precincts in Putnam County cast early ballots in the past three days, Wood said. Putnam County has 36,000 registered voters.
 

CallMeJoe

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I'm betting this is the ES&S iVotronic machine - this has been reported before with that model.

edit: They're also known to lose votes; the iVotronic has a remarkable rate of undervotes.
 

dahunan

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Why are you confused?

Republicans are the ones that hate america and our freedoms
 

Zorba

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I just don't understand why we don't just use the scantrons and be done with it. Electronic machines suck.
 

Dari

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If Obama loses and there is a whiff of cheating, I don't think Americans will sit idly by.
 

CallMeJoe

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Originally posted by: Dari
If Obama loses and there is a whiff of cheating, I don't think Americans will sit idly by.
The Republicans are priming for their own burst of outrage, when they declare that ACORN-led voter fraud stole the election from McCain.
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
Originally posted by: Dari
If Obama loses and there is a whiff of cheating, I don't think Americans will sit idly by.
The Republicans are priming for their own burst of outrage, when they declare that ACORN-led voter fraud stole the election from McCain.
Only if they have the Mickey Mouse ballots to prove it.
 
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Originally posted by: jpeyton
My initial reaction: Jesus Fucking Christ, not this shit again.

Secondary reaction: Why do these electronic voting machines ALWAYS seems to switch votes from the Democratic candidate to the Republican candidate, and NEVER the other way around?

Simpsons clip for comparison. <--- Looks like the Republicans aren't even trying to be original with their voter fraud ideas this year.

The excuse given by officials is that this was "user error". Typically, user error isn't 100% lopsided in favor of one candidate or party, as it is here.

Text

By Paul J. Nyden

WINFIELD, W.Va. -- Three Putnam County voters say electronic voting machines changed their votes from Democrats to Republicans when they cast early ballots last week.

This is the second West Virginia county where voters have reported this problem.
Last week, three voters in Jackson County told The Charleston Gazette their electronic vote for "Barack Obama" kept flipping to "John McCain".

In both counties, Republicans are responsible for overseeing elections. Both county clerks said the problem is isolated.

They also blamed voters for not being more careful.

"People make mistakes more than machines," said Jackson County Clerk Jeff Waybright.

Shelba Ketchum, a 69-year-old nurse retired from Thomas Memorial Hospital, described what happened Friday at the Putnam County Courthouse in Winfield.

"I pushed buttons and they all came up Republican," she said. "I hit Obama and it switched to McCain. I am really concerned about that. If McCain wins, there was something wrong with the machines.

"I asked them for a printout of my votes," Ketchum said. "But they said it was in the machine and I could not get it. I did not feel right when I left the courthouse. My son felt the same way.

"I heard from some other people they also had trouble. But no one in there knew how to fix it," said Ketchum, who is not related to Menis Ketchum, a Democratic Supreme Court candidate.

Ketchum's son, Chris, said he had the same problem. And Bobbi Oates of Scott Depot said her vote for incumbent Democratic Sen. John D. Rockefeller was switched to GOP opponent Jay Wolfe.

"I touched the one I wanted, Rockefeller, and the machine put a checkmark on the Republican instead," Oates said of her experience Thursday.

She said she caught the mistake, called over a worker in the county clerk's office and was able to correct her vote. But she worries other voters may not catch such a mistake.

When asked if she is sure she touched the box for Rockefeller, she said, "I'm absolutely positive."

Putnam County Clerk Brian Wood said on Saturday that he is upset there are "so many negative stories out there and not enough positive ones. We want people to vote. People need to know the facts.

"But we haven't had any major issues. We try to explain to voters how the machines work then they come in," Wood said.

In Putnam County, early voters have the option of asking for either touch-screen machines or optical scan ballots -- paper ballots on which people mark in their election choices.

Wood said some voters might not realize that touch-screen voting machines may take a few seconds to record their choices.

"The reaction time [on the machines] may be different. And when you hit the screen a second time, it cancels your vote," Wood said. "When you get in a hurry, if you go to fast and hit it again, you can cancel what you just did.

"The main thing people need to remember is that when you are done voting, make sure everybody you wanted to vote for has a check mark beside them," Wood said.

Ketchum said, "I am educated person. I know what I wanted. I am anxious to see who wins.

"My son Chris said, 'Mom, I didn't vote for the people who came up on that machine. I wanted to go back and vote again. I called the lady at the polls and she said it was my fault because of the way I was punching the buttons.'

"I want a paper ballot. I think it was very bad when they did away with paper ballots. I wish you had something in your hand that is a record of how you voted.

"I never felt that way before. It was early voting, so we went over there to get it over with. We won't do that again," Ketchum said.

Last week, three Jackson County residents said they experienced similar problems when they cast early ballots at the county courthouse in Ripley.

Virginia Matheney, one of those voters, said Friday, "When I touched the screen for Barack Obama, the check mark moved from his box to the box indicating a vote for John McCain."

Retired factory worker Calvin Thomas of Ripley said he experienced the same problem.

"When I pushed Obama, it jumped to McCain. When I went down to governor's office and punched [Gov. Joe] Manchin, it went to the other dude.

"After I finished, my daughter voted. When she pushed Obama, it went to McCain. It happened to her the same way it happened to me," Thomas said.

Jackson County Clerk Jeff Waybright, a Republican, said 400 other people voted without reporting any problems.

Wood said he and Waybright are both very careful to guarantee people's votes are recorded properly.

Wood said, "Voting machines are very reliable. I hate the fact that stories like this are printed. It makes everybody get scared.

"That is not good for anybody. Where the fault is, I don't know and the voter doesn't know. There needs to be good communication between the voters and the poll workers."

Wood offered this advice to voters: "The best way to solve this whole problem is that before you leave the voting booth, make sure on the review screen that everybody you want to vote for is checked."

More than 1,000 voters from 48 local precincts in Putnam County cast early ballots in the past three days, Wood said. Putnam County has 36,000 registered voters.

Maybe you should bring in the OSSE to oversee the elections?
 

herm0016

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they should not go to the touch screen machines only because people are stupid enough that they cant use them. the optical scan machines work fine.
Do you guys go to see the public accuracy test that is required?
Where the machines get locked down by the tester. every machine gets a seal with a serial number, the number gets recorded and when the seal is broken after the votes are counted the serial number must match (the number is stamped into the metal of the seal)
 

herm0016

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Originally posted by: seemingly random
I'm actually quite concerned about diebold, et.al.

I hope obama's got *lots* of people watching.

have you ever worked in election services or attended a PUBLIC accuracy test that occurs on ever machine that counts votes? Did you know that DieBold makes the machines, but lots of different companies program the memory cards and print the ballots?
 

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Originally posted by: herm0016
Originally posted by: seemingly random
I'm actually quite concerned about diebold, et.al.

I hope obama's got *lots* of people watching.

have you ever worked in election services or attended a PUBLIC accuracy test that occurs on ever machine that counts votes? Did you know that DieBold makes the machines, but lots of different companies program the memory cards and print the ballots?
No, and no.

I do believe that the head of diebold meant it when he told the repugs that he would deliver ohio though.
 
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The electronic voting machines need to be recalled immediately and replaced with paper ballots that can be recounted later. It's pretty sad. We really are becoming a third world banana republic.
 

MadRat

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As much labor as the election officials do for these machines the electronic touch screens cannot be said to save time. People want to believe the system is fair. Unfortunately it cannot be with such an opaque median for voting.
 

Thump553

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The purpose of the federal voting methods change act (I refuse to use the terms reform or restore democracy) was to boost public confidence in the voting process, thus encourage higher voter turnout thus be a more democratic society. Exactly the opposite has happened. Left wing, moderate or right, not a single person I know has ever said they have more confidence in the new system. The vast majority of people I know frankly do not trust the new systems.

Whether there are nefarious purposes afoot or just plain legislative stupidity, the end result is the same.
 

StageLeft

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How they still have problems with these simple machines is beyond me. Anybody who works for the company should be hanged.
 

ebaycj

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Originally posted by: seemingly random
I'm actually quite concerned about diebold, et.al.

I hope obama's got *lots* of people watching.

Actually this would be a good way of spending his $100+ million he recieved in September. Put an independent person in each voting place to make sure this doesn't happen.
 

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Take those reports cum granulo salis. A 68 year old woman's idea of a functional voting machine should raise some eyebrows, but not alarms.

-Robert
 

maluckey

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I heard in Arkansas that two hundred people voted for Clinton and got Obama votes instead.

Last time I voted, my vote changed too! I set my beer down, pulled the lever and got the wrong vote! I asked them to go into the booth and change my vote because their machine was obviously at fault, and they wouldn't.

I also heard that Obama is a Satanist. My neighbor swears that she saw him at the bookstore talking about his weekend rituals.



.....guess I'm voting for Ron Paul.


 

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Originally posted by: chess9
Take those reports cum granulo salis. A 68 year old woman's idea of a functional voting machine should raise some eyebrows, but not alarms.

-Robert

You almost said something both reasonable and intelligent. It's cum grano salis.

 

Thump553

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Originally posted by: chess9
Take those reports cum granulo salis. A 68 year old woman's idea of a functional voting machine should raise some eyebrows, but not alarms.

-Robert

There is an extremely basic design concept known as human factors engineering, where you analyze the most probable ways people will screw up and design to prevent that. But I guess the overhaul of our voting system didn't merit rational design.

PS-this woman is four years younger than McCain.

 

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The idea of electronic voting is flawed. Any voting system that does not produce a human readable official ballot should be banned.