250 watts per box equals .25 kilowatt hour * .05 US dollar per kilowatt = .0125 Dollar per hour * (4142.01 years * 356 days * 24 hours) = $45,355,009 of electricity for the whole team That cant be right anybody want to give it a shot? Of course this depends on your local electric costs.
Electric bills, wow!
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I've always hated math story problems.. :disgust:
If we break this down a little.. 4,142 years * 365(excluding leap years) = 1511830 days * 24 hours = 36283920 hours(in 4142 years) - if I pressed all the keys correctly.
Someone else want to continue?
a normal computer doesn't actually use 250W, that is just the rating
an average computer uses about 100W and the monitor might use 50-150W depending on the age (older ones use more) and size (big ones use more)
just turn off the monitor (or use the automatic pwer stuff) and keep crunching!!!!
electricity is a small price to pay for the TeAm!!
an average computer uses about 100W and the monitor might use 50-150W depending on the age (older ones use more) and size (big ones use more)
just turn off the monitor (or use the automatic pwer stuff) and keep crunching!!!!
electricity is a small price to pay for the TeAm!!
4,142 years * 365 days = 1511830 days * 24 hours = 36283920 hours * .1kw * $.05 = $181,419.60
@ 4,000,000 WU's this equates to about $0.04535475 per WU.
Looks like a TeAm average of about 9 hours per WU.
@ 4,000,000 WU's this equates to about $0.04535475 per WU.
Looks like a TeAm average of about 9 hours per WU.
lets use 100 watts then
100 watts = .1 KW * .05 $/KWH = $.005/hr to run one boxen one hour
Next step from networkman, 4142 years = 36,283,920 hrs
So if you ran one box for 36,283,920 hours: .005 $/hr * 36283920 hr = $181,419
You were off by a factor of 100 titan
Slatz
100 watts = .1 KW * .05 $/KWH = $.005/hr to run one boxen one hour
Next step from networkman, 4142 years = 36,283,920 hrs
So if you ran one box for 36,283,920 hours: .005 $/hr * 36283920 hr = $181,419
You were off by a factor of 100 titan
Slatz
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
eh, so I was off. $180,000 sounds more like it. btw if I set my monitor to shut off after a certian ammount of time It shuts off after that time but when i move the mouse or something as soon as it turns on, the computer kind of acts like it goes into suspend but still displays an image...i dont know all I can do is a hard restart. And if I turn my monitor off the same occurs. so i just set the screen brightness all the way down to prevent burning and let it go like that, not efficiant but what else to do? it is a problem that has bugged me since I first got my computer set up. hard to describe too. I highly doubt anybody has an idea on this. I can explane it in more detail if you want. I am waiting to get my drivers licence so I can get a job and get rid of this thing (i'll still use it for seti just everyday use
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)I got a power meter called Watts Up? (you can find it by doing a search on Google) and checked the power outptut of three of my DC boxen (without the monitor turned on). My Dell P4 2.4 GHz uses about 90 to 95 watts, my 1.53 GHz AMD uses about 105 watts, and my 1.6 GHz AMD with two HDD's uses about 180 watts. When the CPU's weren't at full load, each systems's power output went down a couple of watts.
As for the PSU rating, you are correct -- even if the PSU says it can do 400 watts, your PC will probably never use that much (especially if you are using a switching power supply, which most people are nowadays).
Originally posted by: titanmiller
eh, so I was off. $180,000 sounds more like it. btw if I set my monitor to shut off after a certian ammount of time It shuts off after that time but when i move the mouse or something as soon as it turns on, the computer kind of acts like it goes into suspend but still displays an image...i dont know all I can do is a hard restart. And if I turn my monitor off the same occurs. so i just set the screen brightness all the way down to prevent burning and let it go like that, not efficiant but what else to do? it is a problem that has bugged me since I first got my computer set up. hard to describe too. I highly doubt anybody has an idea on this. I can explane it in more detail if you want. I am waiting to get my drivers licence so I can get a job and get rid of this thing (i'll still use it for seti just everyday use
Okay.. but why even have a monitor on at all to begin with?
Of the 14 rigs I have crunching for the TeAm at my place, only 2 of them even have a monitor at all!
With the advantages of TightVNC and other similar programs, there's no need for multiple monitors. My screen savers are off... my power savers for the monitor are off.. and when I shut down for the night (go to sleep) I just shut off the monitor.
Then, I don't look at the cost of the power, and don't get worried about it. heheh...
I suppose I would if I had a rack full of systems running this... But, I would only use the monitor I really needed at the moment.
My 2 cents....
Then, I don't look at the cost of the power, and don't get worried about it. heheh...
I suppose I would if I had a rack full of systems running this... But, I would only use the monitor I really needed at the moment.
My 2 cents....
Hey Builderz,
from what you wrote it looks like harddrives consume a lot of juice, mine are set to never wind down in the power options (there are 3 in my system). Seti only uses the C: drive so I might set the options to stop hard drives after a few minutes inactivety. The c: drive won't stop because Seti writes to it regularly, but the others should.
Might save a bit of cash,
cheers,
Col.
from what you wrote it looks like harddrives consume a lot of juice, mine are set to never wind down in the power options (there are 3 in my system). Seti only uses the C: drive so I might set the options to stop hard drives after a few minutes inactivety. The c: drive won't stop because Seti writes to it regularly, but the others should.
Might save a bit of cash,
cheers,
Col.
http://tadc.advancedhelp.org/26003.pdf
heres my copy of power requirements for an XP 1800+
http://tadc.advancedhelp.org/26003.pdf
82.47 watts for processor
23.5 watts for MB w/ on board devices
3 watts .25 amps system fan
3 watts system fan
10 watts 256 DDR memory module
9.9 watts AGP video card
28 watts hard drive
2.5 watts usb
1.25 keyboard
1.25 mouse
165 watts
now this doesn't consider loss in the power supply conversion.
This also doesn't include case fans.
Also some cooling fans use a lot of power by poor design or extreme performance.
heres my copy of power requirements for an XP 1800+
http://tadc.advancedhelp.org/26003.pdf
82.47 watts for processor
23.5 watts for MB w/ on board devices
3 watts .25 amps system fan
3 watts system fan
10 watts 256 DDR memory module
9.9 watts AGP video card
28 watts hard drive
2.5 watts usb
1.25 keyboard
1.25 mouse
165 watts
now this doesn't consider loss in the power supply conversion.
This also doesn't include case fans.
Also some cooling fans use a lot of power by poor design or extreme performance.
RaySun2Be
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I don't get too concerned about it, our monthly bills have been manageable.
As far as figuring out how much $$ has been spent, try figuring out how many watts it takes to light the Columbus outline with all the pretty lights on and around all the office buildings downtown at night. Then do that for every city, and I suspect by comparison, the amount we use for SETI is but a very tiny pittance compared to that waste.
As far as figuring out how much $$ has been spent, try figuring out how many watts it takes to light the Columbus outline with all the pretty lights on and around all the office buildings downtown at night. Then do that for every city, and I suspect by comparison, the amount we use for SETI is but a very tiny pittance compared to that waste.
I'm gonna start paying my parents (mostly dad) $5 per month to leave my computer alone. I wake up sometimes and find that the whole night was wasted because it got shut off. Also It doesnt run the 9 hours while i'm at school for the same reason. I could probably get an extra 10 wu per week if I do this.
That's an awful lot of money, but not much when compared to other wastes (as Ray has shown).
Since I was curious about how much running my two computers at home 24/7/365 costs, I came up with this method for calculation. With minimal modification, you can use it to see how much your systems cost to run.
First, grab an electric bill and calculate what they charge you in dollars / KWH. (in my case, US$0.0742371)
Now, calculate the energy usage of your computers:
System: 100 watts (average per rig) * number of rigs (2) = 200 watts * (365.25 * 24 = 8,766 hours per year) = 1,753,200 watt-hours
Monitor: (100 * number of hours run per day): 100*2 for one computer + 100*6 for the other = 800 watt-hours * 365.25 = 292,200 watt-hours
1,753,200 + 292,200 = 2,045,400 watt hours
2,045,400 / 1,000 = 2,045.4 kwatt-hours
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2,045.4 kwh * US$0.0742371 = US$151.85 (cost per year)
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Don?t show my parents this thread.
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Edit: Titanmiller, I feel sorry for you with the situation with your parents and the computer.
If you think your parents would be ok with the idea, explain to them the concept of DC. My parents were quite cool with it once I explained what Folding@Home is and what it does (maybe it helps that they have relatives with diseases that this project is trying to help understand).
If you think they wouldn't appreciate the idea of searching for ET, explain to them that SETI looks for astronomical stuff (Quasars - sp? - and whatever other things it is looking for), but don't mention what the acronym means.
Since I was curious about how much running my two computers at home 24/7/365 costs, I came up with this method for calculation. With minimal modification, you can use it to see how much your systems cost to run.
First, grab an electric bill and calculate what they charge you in dollars / KWH. (in my case, US$0.0742371)
Now, calculate the energy usage of your computers:
System: 100 watts (average per rig) * number of rigs (2) = 200 watts * (365.25 * 24 = 8,766 hours per year) = 1,753,200 watt-hours
Monitor: (100 * number of hours run per day): 100*2 for one computer + 100*6 for the other = 800 watt-hours * 365.25 = 292,200 watt-hours
1,753,200 + 292,200 = 2,045,400 watt hours
2,045,400 / 1,000 = 2,045.4 kwatt-hours
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2,045.4 kwh * US$0.0742371 = US$151.85 (cost per year)
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Don?t show my parents this thread.
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Edit: Titanmiller, I feel sorry for you with the situation with your parents and the computer.
If you think your parents would be ok with the idea, explain to them the concept of DC. My parents were quite cool with it once I explained what Folding@Home is and what it does (maybe it helps that they have relatives with diseases that this project is trying to help understand).
If you think they wouldn't appreciate the idea of searching for ET, explain to them that SETI looks for astronomical stuff (Quasars - sp? - and whatever other things it is looking for), but don't mention what the acronym means.
They know it's something to do with seti (they know what that is from Contact ) but I dont think that they know exactally what it does. I normally get 15 or 16 hours per day on school days and 24 hours on the weekend or anytime I'm home. I was home for 2 weeks form christmas break and I have been home most of this week because I only had to take two finals (niether of which was acidemc ) so I have gotten in pertty good dedication in the past 3 or 4 weeks.
) but I dont think that they know exactally what it does. I normally get 15 or 16 hours per day on school days and 24 hours on the weekend or anytime I'm home. I was home for 2 weeks form christmas break and I have been home most of this week because I only had to take two finals (niether of which was acidemc ) so I have gotten in pertty good dedication in the past 3 or 4 weeks.
Smoke
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BobTheWizard wrote:
Someone correct me if I'm wrong (like I really needed to say that ), but I think the way to take the most load off of the CPU so more CPU CYCLES can go to crunching the CLIENT you should ENABLE your SCREEN SAVER. Set it to BLANK SCREEN. If you just turn off the monitor the CPU continues to send the Background which waste CPU cycles. Then set the POWER to a time frame close to the time you have set the screen-saver start up.
Depending on the monitor you are using you might save a few $ by manually turning off the power since even the good monitors still use a small amount of electricy in their monitoring mode. I noticed my Samsung 19"s automatically power down because the case gets very cool when the computer turns off the power. However, an older Dell 14" monitor stays pretty warm even though the computer has "supposedly" turned off the power. My two Samsung 170s LCD monitors never get hot.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong (like I really needed to say that
), but I think the way to take the most load off of the CPU so more CPU CYCLES can go to crunching the CLIENT you should ENABLE your SCREEN SAVER. Set it to BLANK SCREEN. If you just turn off the monitor the CPU continues to send the Background which waste CPU cycles. Then set the POWER to a time frame close to the time you have set the screen-saver start up.Depending on the monitor you are using you might save a few $ by manually turning off the power since even the good monitors still use a small amount of electricy in their monitoring mode. I noticed my Samsung 19"s automatically power down because the case gets very cool when the computer turns off the power. However, an older Dell 14" monitor stays pretty warm even though the computer has "supposedly" turned off the power. My two Samsung 170s LCD monitors never get hot.
Originally posted by: Smokeball
BobTheWizard wrote:Someone correct me if I'm wrong (like I really needed to say that
I really want to set it that way... with Windows ME, I don't see "Blank Screen" as an option. If that would allow me to get more out of my CPU, that would be great.. I wanna milk the CPU for everything I can...
Insidious
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so we got:
(assuming 200W)
5 hours per kilowatt => 4.8 Kilowat-Hours per day * $0.0742371 = $0.35 (USD) per day for the computer.
I don't think this is gonna break the bank.
If it's a concern, raise your freezer temperature 1 degree and save nearly 4 times that much.
Or turn off the lights when you leave the room (duh) and save nearly 2 times that much.
People need to put this into perspective (IMO)
-Sid
(assuming 200W)
5 hours per kilowatt => 4.8 Kilowat-Hours per day * $0.0742371 = $0.35 (USD) per day for the computer.
I don't think this is gonna break the bank.
If it's a concern, raise your freezer temperature 1 degree and save nearly 4 times that much.
Or turn off the lights when you leave the room (duh) and save nearly 2 times that much.
People need to put this into perspective (IMO)
-Sid
Originally posted by: BobTheWizard
Originally posted by: Smokeball
BobTheWizard wrote:Someone correct me if I'm wrong (like I really needed to say that
I really want to set it that way... with Windows ME, I don't see "Blank Screen" as an option. If that would allow me to get more out of my CPU, that would be great.. I wanna milk the CPU for everything I can...
I'm running Windows ME and I can run "Blank Screen" maybe I can upload the .scr file want me to?
do the math again 250W is .00000025kW.
000 000 000 250 kW (.00000025)
000 000 250 hW (.00025)
000 250 dW (.25)
250 W
but you also need to figure that a kW/h is not the same as power/1hour, it's a little more complicated than that, any electricians here wanna explain cause I don't have the books with those equations anymore. kW/h is measured by the current going through the meter.
000 000 000 250 kW (.00000025)
000 000 250 hW (.00025)
000 250 dW (.25)
250 W
but you also need to figure that a kW/h is not the same as power/1hour, it's a little more complicated than that, any electricians here wanna explain cause I don't have the books with those equations anymore. kW/h is measured by the current going through the meter.
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