Electric bill going up 19.2%

[CLite]

You make a good argument but you completely put your credibility in question with your last sentence. You say this started with Bush, but the utility companies were what, waiting for Obama to put out their letters? That's pretty absurd.

Does your link show which of the steps LG&E is taking that are related solely to the 1990 legislation? If so, I missed it.

*edit* the lazy utilities have been lobbying against this since 1990. They rather poison our nation's air with mercury and other shit than comply with pending legislation like the majority of coal plants already have. The key difference is now they have wingnut sites to run with stories that blame Obama, which is how these letters have made their way to the internet. *edit*

I'm not sure how I can help you further. The section of the article I have already quoted talks about the scrubbers and fabric-filter baghouse systems which is the sole source of the rate increase.

http://www.lanereport.com/articles/fastlane_article.cfm?id=254

I suppose I will just copy the important section once again, but this time use bold-faced font to assist you.

LG&E will request $1.4 billion to modernize the flue gas desulfurization systems, better known as scrubbers, at the Mill Creek generating station as well as install fabric-filter baghouse systems for increased particulate and mercury control on all units at Mill Creek and for Unit 1 at Trimble County.

The impact on LG&E’s electric customers is estimated to be an increase of 2.3 percent in 2012, growing to an increase of 19.2 percent in 2016. For an LG&E residential electric customer using 1,000 kWh of energy per month, this increase will equate to an estimated initial impact on their bills in 2012 of $1.96 per month, with an estimated impact of $16.33 per month by 2016.

KU will also request approximately $1.1 billion for upgrades that include fabric-filter baghouse systems for increased particulate and mercury control on all units at Brown and Ghent generating stations and the conversion of a wet storage facility to a dry landfill at the Brown generating station.

The impact on KU’s customers is estimated to be an increase of 1.5 percent in 2012, growing to an increase of 12.2 percent in 2016. For a KU residential customer using 1,000 kWh of energy per month, this increase will equate to an estimated initial impact on their bills in 2012 of $1.13 per month. This will gradually increase to about $9.46 per month by 2016.

Something I did not notice before, but I find very funny, is that the 19.2% is from LG&E, KU only estimates 12.2% which more or less means Spidey07 did not get a letter from KU but instead depends on wingnut sites to spread gossip.

So, my question to you is, what portion of the increase to be passed on to consumers is due to legislation passed by the 1990 Congress and what portion is due to the new and latest EPA regulations? You're obviously in the business, so I bet you know right where to look for the information.

Regarding the origin of these controls from the 1990 legislation let me assist you with a link: http://www.epa.gov/air/caa/overview.txt. Title III: Air Toxics discusses using "Maximum Achievable Control Technology" (MACT) which has been demonstrated for the new EPA measures as over half of the coal plants currently use the technologies bolded above. The answer: 100% of the increase passed on to consumers is due to Bush #1 and the 1990 congress.

Finally, pointing out partisan hackery does not make one a partisan hack. Of course the subtlety of this point may be lost on you.

 

[dmcowen674]

Electric bill going up 19.2%

Thanks Obama!

My electric company just sent notice of what they need to do to comply with new Federal energy regulations. The notice says my electricity cost could increase by as much as 19.2%. Total cost for the upgrades to the station providing my power...get this...1.4 BILLION.

What better way to destroy the economy than making people pay significantly more for energy they use?

"electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket. Even regardless of what I say about whether coal is good or bad. Because I’m capping greenhouse gases, coal power plants, you know, natural gas, you name it — whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, uh, they would have to retrofit their operations.

That will cost money.

They will pass that money on to consumers." - Barrack Hussein Obama

Awesome, I absolutely approve because it hits Republicans like Spidey :thumbsup:

Yes, Thank you Obama :thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[KK]

Awesome, I absolutely approve because it hits Republicans like Spidey :thumbsup:

Yes, Thank you Obama :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Too bad spidey can afford it. On the other hand, your broke ass will probably have to find a second job flipping burgers. Good luck, we're pulling for you.

 

[spidey07]

Clite - lg&e is my gas and electric company. I absolutely did get notice of them asking psc for the rate increase.

 

[dmcowen674]

Quote:
Originally Posted by dmcowen674
Awesome, I absolutely approve because it hits Republicans like Spidey :thumbsup:

Yes, Thank you Obama :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Too bad spidey can afford it. On the other hand, your broke ass will probably have to find a second job flipping burgers. Good luck, we're pulling for you.

Him and you may be able to afford it but your asses are whining like babies and that is priceless :thumbsup:

 

[CLite]

Clite - lg&e is my gas and electric company. I absolutely did get notice of them asking psc for the rate increase.

k, I thought I read KU somewhere but I guess not.

 

[HeXen]

we'll just spend less elsewhere.

 

[Double Trouble]

This is one of those cases where the cost increase is not really driven by anything the current president did (from what I can tell), but trust me on this, he will bear the political cost if people's electric bills skyrocket.

 

[Carmen813]

If for no other reason, the OP is completely misleading as that quote refers to Cap and Trade as far as I know. Which also starting with Bush I and sulfur dioxide, but that's another story. http://www.smithsonianmag.com/scien...-Mind-Blue-Sky-Thinking.html?device=other&c=y

The real kicker is that the cap and trade (for Bush I's bill) compliance costs were miniscule compared to the net monetary benefit received.

However, this is mostly off-topic, I just thought it was interesting.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I'm on a limited income, so if this comes to pass, it will hit me kinda hard. I'm working on reducing my power usage (my many threads in the technical forums looking to pare down my fleet of rigs to something more manageable, both in terms of power and physical space), but it really sucks. My electric bill is already $100/mo, which is basically my limit. I really require my AC to be on during the summer months, I can't stand the heat. I may have to stop F@H entirely, except possibly during the winter months, when I use it to heat my apt.

 

[umbrella39]

It's been fun to watch spidey melt down in this thread even more than normal. This guy is shockingly stupid, even for ATPN. (and that says a lot)

I like to imagine a 4' tall angry Asian guy yelling up to his wife to leave him some money before she goes to work while he is typing out his inane rants.

 

[Trianon]

Thanks Obama! My electric company just sent notice of what they need to do to comply with new Federal energy regulations. The notice says my electricity cost could increase by as much as 19.2%. Total cost for the upgrades to the station providing my power...get this...1.4 BILLION.

What better way to destroy the economy than making people pay significantly more for energy they use?

"electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket. Even regardless of what I say about whether coal is good or bad. Because I’m capping greenhouse gases, coal power plants, you know, natural gas, you name it — whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, uh, they would have to retrofit their operations. That will cost money. They will pass that money on to consumers." - Barrack Hussein Obama

You made an offer on $1000000 home and you complain about 40$ a month??? WTH?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally Posted by eskimospy
It's been fun to watch spidey melt down in this thread even more than normal. This guy is shockingly stupid, even for ATPN. (and that says a lot)

Barack Obama Derangement Syndrome (BODS)

😀

So true, it's priceless to watch him and his ilk self destruct :thumbsup:

BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome) pales in comparison to the mighty Messiah Obama :thumbsup:

 

[waggy]

It's been fun to watch spidey melt down in this thread even more than normal. This guy is shockingly stupid, even for ATPN. (and that says a lot)

spidey and crieg are 2 sides of the same coin. both nothing more then fucking hacks. they don't care about hte nation its all about there party winning.


..and yes he is that stupid.

 

[Brainonska511]

I'm on a limited income, so if this comes to pass, it will hit me kinda hard. I'm working on reducing my power usage (my many threads in the technical forums looking to pare down my fleet of rigs to something more manageable, both in terms of power and physical space), but it really sucks. My electric bill is already $100/mo, which is basically my limit. I really require my AC to be on during the summer months, I can't stand the heat. I may have to stop F@H entirely, except possibly during the winter months, when I use it to heat my apt.

Protip: stop running computers 24/7.

 

[CitizenKain]

I'm on a limited income, so if this comes to pass, it will hit me kinda hard. I'm working on reducing my power usage (my many threads in the technical forums looking to pare down my fleet of rigs to something more manageable, both in terms of power and physical space), but it really sucks. My electric bill is already $100/mo, which is basically my limit. I really require my AC to be on during the summer months, I can't stand the heat. I may have to stop F@H entirely, except possibly during the winter months, when I use it to heat my apt.

Turn your computers off. Also using your computers to heat your house is hilariously sad.

 

[sunzt]

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Also using your computers to heat your house is hilariously sad.

Not really as long as you're actually using them for something else. If you're doing F@H and it puts out enough heat to help heat your house and therefore reduce your heating bill (whether it be gas, oil, etc), why not take advantage of it?

 

[PokerGuy]

Turn your computers off. Also using your computers to heat your house is hilariously sad.

I don't think he's running his computers to heat his house, he runs them for other purposes, with heat being a side effect, which he makes use of during the winter months. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[sunzt]

I don't think he's running his computers to heat his house, he runs them for other purposes, with heat being a side effect, which he makes use of during the winter months. Nothing wrong with that.

Porn is dual use.

 

[kage69]

Hey look, another rage fest from the resident trolls that outs them as sad little partisan tools!

Yeah that $40 will really cut into your ability to make stupid bets online with strangers huh spidey?

Hilarious, keep it up. The afflicted need to remind others as to the dangers of their condition.

 

[Modelworks]

Living near a nuclear power plant has its advantages . My bill never breaks $100 in the all the years I lived here and I run the AC 24/7

 

[Darwin333]

"electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket. Even regardless of what I say about whether coal is good or bad. Because I’m capping greenhouse gases, coal power plants, you know, natural gas, you name it — whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, uh, they would have to retrofit their operations. That will cost money. They will pass that money on to consumers." - Barrack Hussein Obama

What makes that relevant to the current thread?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Don't like it? Pick another provider, or move. Right?

 

[fskimospy]

What makes that relevant to the current thread?

Spidey thought that Obama invented this regulation and was already in full meltdown mode about it. Once he found out that it came from a Republican president he curiously stopped being so mad.