Electoral Count (Bush 254 Kerry 242) (Ohio to Bush?)

[CrowBarr]

The lead is clearly not enough that anyone but the severely bloated Bush Administration would call it a win. As I stated earlier, all votes count...right down to the last one, if necessary.

"It ain't over 'till the fat lady sings...she's on in five, but she's still squeezin' into her corset in the dressing room...so all bets are on hold"

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: xsilver
I'm not from the USA -- can anyone please tell me plain and simple why the entire midwest / south belongs to bush?
Is it the "funadamentalist religious groups" "rednecks" "NRA?" "act of god" -- its all so bizarre.....
I knew it wasnt good when our Australian prime minister was re-elected last month, known to be a huge lap dog of bush, In a landslide victory too

who are these "fundamentalist religious groups" .... do they like war ? or are they just so conservative ... eg oppose abortions and gay marraiges that they'll vote republican no matter what?
I just want some constructive responses --- No "we're fighting the war on terror" or crap like that, i've heard it all before :roll:

Honestly that would be the UberUltra-left answer

Kerry was Ultra left like Mike Moore left and that doesn't identfy with the HEARTLAND

No Dem from Boston is going to be easily indentifiable for Southern states, (Florida is it's own deal) Midwest, and the great plains. and vice versa with a guy from Texas in New England.

Check this thread out people just didn't believe Kerry or think he was a Moral man.

Or maybe it was the Nascar Dads!

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: xsilver
I'm not from the USA -- can anyone please tell me plain and simple why the entire midwest / south belongs to bush?
Is it the "funadamentalist religious groups" "rednecks" "NRA?" "act of god" -- its all so bizarre.....
I knew it wasnt good when our Australian prime minister was re-elected last month, known to be a huge lap dog of bush, In a landslide victory too

who are these "fundamentalist religious groups" .... do they like war ? or are they just so conservative ... eg oppose abortions and gay marraiges that they'll vote republican no matter what?
I just want some constructive responses --- No "we're fighting the war on terror" or crap like that, i've heard it all before :roll:

You answered your own question quite well.

If you've ever attended the "fundamentalist religious groups" you would clearly see it is the same as the 1930's Brainwashing experienced in Europe. Plain and simple.

 

[Ferocious]

The election is over.

It is clear considering the last 40 years that if you want to become President.....you have to be Republican or a southern Democrat.

Gephardt should have been the choice for Democrats.

 

[CrowBarr]

Apparently you have to be able to duck responsibility, lie proficiently and be part of an affluent political family as well.

 

[xsilver]

uh .... ok .... "moral values" WTF is that? abortions ? gay marraiges?
Isnt it uber conservative to not allow these?

plus I don't think bush is more moral than kerry ...... although did do a good job of smearing kerry with that war deserter thing ..... bush dodged the war altogether

Our conservative leader just span sh*t like "interest rates are going to go up under opposition government"
"your country is safer with us"
"dont trust them... we have a good track record"

I dont think I'm ober left -- but I fail to see what exactly is so appealing about bush -- i mean he may have some charisma but so little IQ.... I think it reflects badly to the rest of the world ..... peace out

 

[CrowBarr]

Originally posted by: xsilver
uh .... ok .... "moral values" WTF is that? abortions ? gay marraiges?
Isnt it uber conservative to not allow these?

plus I don't think bush is more moral than kerry ...... although did do a good job of smearing kerry with that war deserter thing ..... bush dodged the war altogether

Our conservative leader just span sh*t like "interest rates are going to go up under opposition government"
"your country is safer with us"
"dont trust them... we have a good track record"

I dont think I'm ober left -- but I fail to see what exactly is so appealing about bush -- i mean he may have some charisma but so little IQ.... I think it reflects badly to the rest of the world ..... peace out

I couldn't have said it much better.

 

[xsilver]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674


You answered your own question quite well.

If you've ever attended the "fundamentalist religious groups" you would clearly see it is the same as the 1930's Brainwashing experienced in Europe. Plain and simple.

havent been to any "fundamentalist religious groups" .... not sure they have them here in australia..... I've been to an amway meeting ..... I expect its 1000 times worse .... as I said before -- I just think it reflects badly on the american people....

lol I just realized something..... "fundamentalist religious groups" === "muslim extremists"?????

 

[T2T III]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: xsilver
I'm not from the USA -- can anyone please tell me plain and simple why the entire midwest / south belongs to bush?
Is it the "funadamentalist religious groups" "rednecks" "NRA?" "act of god" -- its all so bizarre.....
I knew it wasnt good when our Australian prime minister was re-elected last month, known to be a huge lap dog of bush, In a landslide victory too

who are these "fundamentalist religious groups" .... do they like war ? or are they just so conservative ... eg oppose abortions and gay marraiges that they'll vote republican no matter what?
I just want some constructive responses --- No "we're fighting the war on terror" or crap like that, i've heard it all before :roll:

You answered your own question quite well.

If you've ever attended the "fundamentalist religious groups" you would clearly see it is the same as the 1930's Brainwashing experienced in Europe. Plain and simple.

I'm not a member of a fundamentalist religious group, yet I still support the Conservative party. Don't let the drivel of Mr. McOwen convice you that all Conservatives are this way.

 

[CrowBarr]

Originally posted by: xsilver

Originally posted by: dmcowen674


You answered your own question quite well.

If you've ever attended the "fundamentalist religious groups" you would clearly see it is the same as the 1930's Brainwashing experienced in Europe. Plain and simple.

havent been to any "fundamentalist religious groups" .... not sure they have them here in australia..... I've been to an amway meeting ..... I expect its 1000 times worse .... as I said before -- I just think it reflects badly on the american people....

lol I just realized something..... "fundamentalist religious groups" === "muslim extremists"?????

Firstly, please don't lump me into this "fundamentalist religious group" thing...even though I do live in the south.

Secondly, please don't look down upon me because I'm an American.

Thirdly......anyone wanna take some computer parts in trade for a one way ticket to Canada?

:frown:

(I'd better include that the above statement was in sarcasm only, so I don't get bashed)

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: xsilver
I'm not from the USA -- can anyone please tell me plain and simple why the entire midwest / south belongs to bush?
Is it the "funadamentalist religious groups" "rednecks" "NRA?" "act of god" -- its all so bizarre.....
I knew it wasnt good when our Australian prime minister was re-elected last month, known to be a huge lap dog of bush, In a landslide victory too

who are these "fundamentalist religious groups" .... do they like war ? or are they just so conservative ... eg oppose abortions and gay marraiges that they'll vote republican no matter what?
I just want some constructive responses --- No "we're fighting the war on terror" or crap like that, i've heard it all before :roll:

You answered your own question quite well.

If you've ever attended the "fundamentalist religious groups" you would clearly see it is the same as the 1930's Brainwashing experienced in Europe. Plain and simple.

I'm not a member of a fundamentalist religious group, yet I still support the Conservative party. Don't let the drivel of Mr. McOwen convice you that all Conservatives are this way.

I didn't say "all" conservatives are this way.

There is a huge difference between "true" conservatives and the Religiously charged ones posing as conservatives.

 

[CrowBarr]

From watching the news, it would seem that people in other countries are wondering what goes through our heads over here. Foreign relations are suffering under Bush...and many are concerned it will get worse.

 

[seawolf21]

Originally posted by: rufruf44

Originally posted by: CrowBarr
So now it's "classy" to concede?

That's not the America I grew up in...stick to your guns...stand up for what you believe in. Fight for it if necessary. If concession is classy, then all cowards are classy, in my book.

"Gee, Your Honor...I know that I didn't commit this crime, but when I look at the overwhelming preponderance of circumstancial evidence you have against me, I guess I should just plead guilty."

As if.

But in this case, there's no chance for Kerry to win. Whats the purpose of holding out and delaying the inevitalbe? Just out of spite?

maybe he is getting inspiration from the Red Sox. =)

 

[CrowBarr]

LOL....Good point.

Should they have given up when it looked hopeless?

 

[RobCur]

electronic voting = rigged election... too easily, almost like child's play.
searching for bush sucks turns up 1.6million results on yahoo while kerry is only 663k
The obvious is that most aren't for bush 2nd term, something is very fishy here.
It's not a fair game here, never has, never been just like in 2k. Things are hopeless, while we're at it, I may as well dig my self a hole and fall in it. we're in for 4 more years of painful event... The end of the world.

 

[Siwy]

Originally posted by: CrowBarr

Originally posted by: xsilver

Originally posted by: dmcowen674


You answered your own question quite well.

If you've ever attended the "fundamentalist religious groups" you would clearly see it is the same as the 1930's Brainwashing experienced in Europe. Plain and simple.

havent been to any "fundamentalist religious groups" .... not sure they have them here in australia..... I've been to an amway meeting ..... I expect its 1000 times worse .... as I said before -- I just think it reflects badly on the american people....

lol I just realized something..... "fundamentalist religious groups" === "muslim extremists"?????

Firstly, please don't lump me into this "fundamentalist religious group" thing...even though I do live in the south.

Secondly, please don't look down upon me because I'm an American.

Thirdly......anyone wanna take some computer parts in trade for a one way ticket to Canada?

:frown:

(I'd better include that the above statement was in sarcasm only, so I don't get bashed)

Are you silly? I?m a Canadian who is considering moving to US because of fear of another four year of Bush?s foreign policy. Stay where you are!

 

[apunahus]

this isn't over. bush did the same damn thing 4 years ago... jumped the gun and then forced gore to concede on the grounds of it being "fair".. F-that. fair is counting every vote. whats the damned rush? why does everyone wanna get this over with? bush is still president til jan1, why not take the proper time to make sure everything is confirmed? i'm overseas. i'm just happy i'm here rather than serving in iraq. i'm ashamed that so many people voted for bush. i'm ashamed to be an american right now and i'm serving for america! take the time and count the votes that people made.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: apunahus
this isn't over. bush did the same damn thing 4 years ago... jumped the gun and then forced gore to concede on the grounds of it being "fair".. F-that. fair is counting every vote. whats the damned rush? why does everyone wanna get this over with? bush is still president til jan1, why not take the proper time to make sure everything is confirmed? i'm overseas. i'm just happy i'm here rather than serving in iraq. i'm ashamed that so many people voted for bush. i'm ashamed to be an american right now and i'm serving for america! take the time and count the votes that people made.

First off...there are 135000 votes kerry would have to make up and these votes would have to be verifed. Provisional ballots are not the same as regular ballots and leave open room for fraud since the voter wasn't registered and didn't have any id or proof of eligibility....

remember the democrats worked hard in ohio to create voter fraud

 

[RobCur]

Most people did not vote for him, given what I could find on the internet but the TV is full of biased opinion and lies... I dunno if it matter anyway since those who are in power often abuse it and ignore the people in general. oh well, that's life I guess

 

[RobCur]

We're in a big mess as of now and who's going to clean it up? neither bush nor kerry. It's us with our tax dollars. I'm sure he is a lot smarter then most of us, maybe too smart. lol, most of us are really dumb. sorry, but that's a fact.

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: RobCur
electronic voting = rigged election... too easily, almost like child's play.
searching for bush sucks turns up 1.6million results on yahoo while kerry is only 663k
The obvious is that most aren't for bush 2nd term, something is very fishy here.
It's not a fair game here, never has, never been just like in 2k. Things are hopeless, while we're at it, I may as well dig my self a hole and fall in it. we're in for 4 more years of painful event... The end of the world.

I've read this three times and I'm still not sure what it said.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Fritzo

Originally posted by: RobCur
electronic voting = rigged election... too easily, almost like child's play.
searching for bush sucks turns up 1.6million results on yahoo while kerry is only 663k
The obvious is that most aren't for bush 2nd term, something is very fishy here.
It's not a fair game here, never has, never been just like in 2k. Things are hopeless, while we're at it, I may as well dig my self a hole and fall in it. we're in for 4 more years of painful event... The end of the world.

I've read this three times and I'm still not sure what it said.

He's assuming, falsely I might add, that the internet is a reflection of the real world and the opinion of people on the internet should mirror that of the real world. Delusions like this are what lost Kerry the election.

Edit: Actually, delusions like the above is what prompted the early glee and a prediction of a Kerry blowout of Bush.

 

[Kelemvor]

As of right now on TV...

MSNBC currently has them at: BUSH 269 -- KERRY 238
CNN currently has them at: BUSH 254 -- KERRY 252
FOX News currently has them at: BUSH 269 -- KERRY 242

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: Kanalua
Democratic Underground is going nuts!

PResidential Discussion page

Whahahahaha....look at this idiot:

ONE MORE TIME: STOLEN AGAIN -- HERE ARE FACTS -- USE THEM!


I tried earlier, and no one wanted to believe it. Maybe now you do? *THE FIX IS IN.*

If we're afraid to call it as is, there's no chance we'll ever see democracy or a Democrat elected in this country every again. PLEASE WAKE UP AND SMELL THE ROSES.

Here are some facts:

(1) All exit polls had Kerry ahead in in FL and OH.

(2) All Democrats were completely confident, based (I'm sure) on internal polls. Kennedy said Kerry won. He was sure. So was the DNC chair, who referred to Kerry as president-elect.

(3) Canadian TV (CTV) said it will be an early landslide (their word) for Kerry. They had inside information.

(4) Exit polls have always been correct -- until they pulled FLorida away from Gore, and Bush took power by force. Since then no exit poll has ever been any good. Coincidence?

(5) In the midterm elections, the VERY SAME thing happened as tonight. Polls nationwide favored Democrats, and then the GOP won every state -- and the exit polls vanished!!! Pollsters had never been so wrong. IT WAS THE FIRST TIME MACHINES WERE USED.

(6) We all know who owns the Diabold (Diabolical) voting machines. And it ain't the Democrats.

(5) Every historical predictor pointed to a Kerry victory: the large turnout, Bush's approval ratings, the economy, and the fact that he consistently polled under 50 or even 48%. No president had ever won with such low numbers.

And then magically everything reversed itself and Bush wins. Do you guys believe this is for real?

I don't know what we can do. But at the very least I suggest:

-- Write letters to every paper and every person you know, outlining the facts above (plus everything you can add about the electronic voting machines -- lots of info out there).

-- Write Kennedy and others who KNOW Kerry had the real vote. We need them to come forward and speak out.

-- We need strategy. We can't just go and protest and be angry. It will look like we can't accept defeat. We need to get our facts and target our message. Or else forget about this country.

Ideas? Drop me a line.

He forgot about them injecting alien DNA at night so the Republicans can mind control us into voting for them

:roll:

 

[TheAudit]

Originally posted by: Fritzo

Originally posted by: Kanalua
Democratic Underground is going nuts!

PResidential Discussion page

Whahahahaha....look at this idiot:

ONE MORE TIME: STOLEN AGAIN -- HERE ARE FACTS -- USE THEM!

He forgot about them injecting alien DNA at night so the Republicans can mind control us into voting for them

:roll:

That's pretty funny.
He needs to have a reality check.