I mean, there's plenty to worry about when it comes to precedents this shitshow has set going forward. If one wants to worry, it seems like that would be a better tack than "what if Democratic congresscritters collude with the GOP to install Trump as president for another term?"
What? We are past that point. The electorals already cast their vote. Faithless votes would have had to happen yesterday. You Don't understand. How are the R's going to throw out any votes in the House? They don't have the majority. You are still stuck on that 1 vote 1 state idea that doesn't happen UNLESS neither party reaches 270. For that to happen at this point, some democrats have to vote to toss those votes. That isn't happening. Infact the majority of the R's will not vote to throw out the votes because it would be political suicide.
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BoomerD
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I DO understand...and as I said above, "faithless electors" not applicable...just a brain fart. (The older I get...the more common those become)
hal2kilo
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Miller must have confused him.
Ready for Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago shadow presidency? That's where all this is heading | Salon.com
I can relate to that! I understand. (I also edited my response, after you replied, as I am at work, please read, as I want you aware of the edits as it was before I refreshed the page and saw your response, you don't need to respond)
BoomerD
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Yep...Like I said, never dismiss the (R)'s capacity for fuckery so casually...
Trump Campaign Assembling Alternate Electors In Key States In Far-Fetched Attempt To Overturn Election
The attempt will not affect the election outcome.
www.forbes.com
Will it work? Highly unlikely... but that won't stop them from trying.
Vic
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I've been seeing bizarre comments from right-wingers to "read the Constitition" but their comments only demonstrate that they haven't read the Constitution. The Electors aren't disputed. All States have certified their results, chosen their Electors according to their respective state laws (which were decided by their respective state legislatures), and Biden has received the clear majority of the Electoral College votes. Per the Constitution, Pence and Congress will have no choice on 1/6/21 but to certify the results with Biden as the winner. Any other outcome would be a violation of the Constitution.
Ajay
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Nah. He has deals to make with Biden, time to move on. He just has the cover of the electoral college vote as cover now. Plus, gave a 'nice' summary of Trumps achievements as a bit of CYA.
McConnell has said in the past that he likes dealing with Biden. Joe doesn't go into a negotiation with the goal of tell Mitch why he is wrong. He goes into a negotiation trying to achieve as many of his goals as he can, and Mitch does the same. Hopefully, there will be a bit more compromise in Biden's terms than Obama's (since the illegitimate 'black man' is gone).
Vic
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These "alternate electors" are nothing but a fraud. The States have already certified their electors and, per the Constitution, only those certified results may be considered by Congress.Yep...Like I said, never dismiss the (R)'s capacity for fuckery so casually...
Trump Campaign Assembling Alternate Electors In Key States In Far-Fetched Attempt To Overturn Election
The attempt will not affect the election outcome.
Will it work? Highly unlikely... but that won't stop them from trying.
cytg111
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hal2kilo
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We will see.You are betting on a return to normalcy and the "base" will just dissolve itself?
Proud Boys' party is over: Trump fans throw tantrums because they've lost more than an election | Salon.com
Trump was able to amass an extraordinary 74.2 million voters with a message of resentment at "political correctness" and "woke" culture, a story about how conservative white people are supposedly being victimized by a changing America. But as much as that campaign whipped up millions of Americans, at the heart of it all was a misdirection. What conservatives really want is control over the culture. That isn't something that can be won at the ballot box, and they know it.
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cytg111
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I hope you are right. I know you are not. I am willing to bet the 200M dollars that Trump grifted from his base post election "for the course".
No sane grifter is gonna leave that golden goose alone. There is $$$$ to be made. (and if Trump steps down, someone else will catch that container of cash right out of the air an carry on. Wait for it.)
kage69
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Yay? At least we're not getting a psycho this time.
I just hope we don't have to see too many more repeats of this slave owner appeasing antique in action. Trump should be the final nail in the EC, failing the demagogue test just adds to the list of reasons it should go.
I just hope we don't have to see too many more repeats of this slave owner appeasing antique in action. Trump should be the final nail in the EC, failing the demagogue test just adds to the list of reasons it should go.
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McConnell seriously pissed off Donald Trump today, no doubt. So I’m thinking, even if the republicans hold the senate there might be hope. There are still two or three republican senators who have retained their senses which could benefit Biden, and old Mitch and old Joe Biden kinda have a relationship somewhat, so with the simple things like approving Biden nominees and passing common sense laws it may not be so bad. How’s that for optimism? But as far as allowing and EC funny business to occur in the senate come January 6th, I think Mitch McConnell just shut that down for good.
Ajay
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Normalcy? Not on the republican side; there was nothing normal about that party since Gingrich turned the system on it's head as Speaker of the House (short Wikipedia summary).You are betting on a return to normalcy and the "base" will just dissolve itself?
I think that the probability will be high that negotiations on bills with bipartisan interest will result in passage - with both sides yielding on some points. Then the spin doctors will go to work, simultaneously giving victory to the republican senators and decrying the bill for the socialist agenda clearly being pushed even further on the democrats side. Fox news will create 'sensational' videos which will then show up on the rest of the MSM channels and social media. So that bullshit will go on, possibly for decades to come.
Assuming Republicans hold the senate I think early on Biden will get a few wins so they don’t look totally obstructionist but nothing big. Then after that they will switch to total, blanket opposition.
Maybe if they are lucky they can entice a Republican senator to switch parties like Specter but that seems like a tall order as even ‘moderates’ like Romney and Collins are super right wing.
Ajay
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Yeah, Joe will get a 'honeymoon' period, especially with what is shaping up to be a very centrist cabinet. Then they'll tighten down the screws quarter by quarter till the Dems look powerless.
I think budget bills may go more smoothly. SS will still be the republican boogeyman (weird since so many of their base are older). Military funding aught to be a brawl, it's so obviously too high and too inefficient with these many state (and country) contracts - the MIC just marches on.
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hal2kilo
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Mitch apparently knocked some heads together behind closed doors. Who knew he cared about democracy.
McConnell warns Senate Republicans against challenging election results (msn.com)
McConnell warns Senate Republicans against challenging election results (msn.com)
He doesn’t, he think it will make them look bad to vote it down because it will be seen as being anti-Trump and If they vote for it they look anti-democracy, all for a gesture that doesn’t accomplish anything.
I would be somewhat surprised if someone like Ted Cruz doesn’t do if anyway.
blackangst1
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Its not fraud in a criminal sense (theres no crime doing this) buts cringeworthy as fuck.
hal2kilo
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Can't we all just get along.
High-Profile Parler Accounts Threaten to 'Destroy the GOP' in Election Aftermath (msn.com)
High-Profile Parler Accounts Threaten to 'Destroy the GOP' in Election Aftermath (msn.com)
cytg111
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Being poor is for losers
Trump is pocketing Georgia Senate runoff donations for his PAC, while the GOP candidates themselves don't get a dollar, a new report says
None of Trump's fundraising haul goes to the campaigns of GOP Sens. Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue, Politico reported.
www.businessinsider.com
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