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Originally posted by: arsbanned
Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I'll just be happy if they don't elect any BNP supremacists into power.
True that.

Blair isn't all that bad. British troops in Iraq have behaved themselves for the most part and conducted themselves in a most respectful manner.

Huh? He followed that retarded Bush down the road to ruin. Not all that bad my ass.

Many British people are massive hypocrites...I wonder what they would say if some people started saying 'How could XXXXXXXX people be so stupid?' in regards to the British people.

We are all surrounded by sheep.
 

Proletariat

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Originally posted by: arsbanned
Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I'll just be happy if they don't elect any BNP supremacists into power.
True that.

Blair isn't all that bad. British troops in Iraq have behaved themselves for the most part and conducted themselves in a most respectful manner.

Huh? He followed that retarded Bush down the road to ruin. Not all that bad my ass.
His domestic policies though are very much in line with promoting environmentalism, social welfare, gun control and even limiting hunting.
 

Proletariat

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Proletariat

British Tabloid Admits Fake Abuse Pix

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/14/world/main617564.shtml

I'm not talking about the tabloids issue.

British troops will still suffer from the typical British attitude which has been existent since the genocidal era of the British Empire.
WTF are you talking about?

Are you going to accuse our troops of harboring the same genocidal attitudes that existed during the colonization of America and most of its history?
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: Proletariat

WTF are you talking about?

Are you going to accuse our troops of harboring the same genocidal attitudes that existed during the colonization of America and most of its history?

It's an effect of colonialism. The British still support the actions of the British Empire. The Germans do not celebrate the Nazis. The Japanese mostly do not celebrate their Empire. Americans do not celebrate actions against natives. Australians do not celebrate actions against natives. Etc., etc, etc. However, the British still celebrate colonialism with a great zeal. I feel that this affects their behavior in Iraq.
 

Proletariat

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Proletariat

WTF are you talking about?

Are you going to accuse our troops of harboring the same genocidal attitudes that existed during the colonization of America and most of its history?

It's an effect of colonialism. The British still support the actions of the British Empire. The Germans do not celebrate the Nazis. The Japanese mostly do not celebrate their Empire. Americans do not celebrate actions against natives. Australians do not celebrate actions against natives. Etc., etc, etc. However, the British still celebrate colonialism with a great zeal. I feel that this affects their behavior in Iraq.
...?

I have been to Britain and many people there profusely apologized to my uncle, who is from northern India, for the actions of their government.

Not only that, but if you go to many districts in England you will see signs in Punjabi and Hindi. The native languages of the richest and most exploited land in the British Empire. The British troops in Iraq even complained about the lack of curry and rice that they were used too in Britain. The British government responded with this:

http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=243418
 

Stunt

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Jul 17, 2002
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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Proletariat

WTF are you talking about?

Are you going to accuse our troops of harboring the same genocidal attitudes that existed during the colonization of America and most of its history?

It's an effect of colonialism. The British still support the actions of the British Empire. The Germans do not celebrate the Nazis. The Japanese mostly do not celebrate their Empire. Americans do not celebrate actions against natives. Australians do not celebrate actions against natives. Etc., etc, etc. However, the British still celebrate colonialism with a great zeal. I feel that this affects their behavior in Iraq.
While i agree that the respective countries do/don't celebrate past attrocites/empires, I don't see how this is affecting their performance in Iraq.
I mean both the US and UK went in with the same goals, they both want freedom of iraq, etc etc (pending your beliefs on motives), and have both been labelled as commiting criminal acts. I haven't followed the UK issues, but i am aware of the US ones.
Some of the US actions are disgusting and i would like you to differentiate the two countries actions without reference to historical trends.
New generation, new clean slate with judgements.
Just as I don't criticize americans for their history of slavery. (not intended as a discussion but an example of not passing judgements on historical merits)
 

CanOWorms

Lifer
Jul 3, 2001
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Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Proletariat

WTF are you talking about?

Are you going to accuse our troops of harboring the same genocidal attitudes that existed during the colonization of America and most of its history?

It's an effect of colonialism. The British still support the actions of the British Empire. The Germans do not celebrate the Nazis. The Japanese mostly do not celebrate their Empire. Americans do not celebrate actions against natives. Australians do not celebrate actions against natives. Etc., etc, etc. However, the British still celebrate colonialism with a great zeal. I feel that this affects their behavior in Iraq.
...?

I have been to Britain and many people there profusely apologized to my uncle, who is from northern India, for the actions of their government.

Not only that, but if you go to many districts in England you will see signs in Punjabi and Hindi. The native languages of the richest and most exploited land in the British Empire. The British troops in Iraq even complained about the lack of curry and rice that they were used too in Britain. The British government responded with this:

http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=243418

Um, ok? Thanks for random statements. :confused:
 

Infohawk

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I'm disappointed a lot of liberals tolerate Blair. The guy did all the same things Bush did with re: to Iraq. I can only attribute it to a knee-jerk reaction to support Labor faced with the party named Conservative. There is an anti-war party in the UK that is more respectable than the green party. Also, the labor party could simply choose another leader. Anyway, another case where a first-past-the-post system doesn't really give people what they want. I'd imagine most Brits oppose the war but want a center-left party.
 

CanOWorms

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Jul 3, 2001
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Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Proletariat

WTF are you talking about?

Are you going to accuse our troops of harboring the same genocidal attitudes that existed during the colonization of America and most of its history?

It's an effect of colonialism. The British still support the actions of the British Empire. The Germans do not celebrate the Nazis. The Japanese mostly do not celebrate their Empire. Americans do not celebrate actions against natives. Australians do not celebrate actions against natives. Etc., etc, etc. However, the British still celebrate colonialism with a great zeal. I feel that this affects their behavior in Iraq.
While i agree that the respective countries do/don't celebrate past attrocites/empires, I don't see how this is affecting their performance in Iraq.
I mean both the US and UK went in with the same goals, they both want freedom of iraq, etc etc (pending your beliefs on motives), and have both been labelled as commiting criminal acts. I haven't followed the UK issues, but i am aware of the US ones.
Some of the US actions are disgusting and i would like you to differentiate the two countries actions without reference to historical trends.
New generation, new clean slate with judgements.
Just as I don't criticize americans for their history of slavery. (not intended as a discussion but an example of not passing judgements on historical merits)

I don't feel that the British have had a culture change on the order of other countries. It's a new generation, but same culture and society.
 

Stunt

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"I feel that this affects their behavior in Iraq."
Examples and how these behaviors are worse than their more advanced than their american counterparts?
 

CanOWorms

Lifer
Jul 3, 2001
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Originally posted by: Stunt
"I feel that this affects their behavior in Iraq."
Examples and how these behaviors are worse than their more advanced than their american counterparts?

Where did I say that their behavior was worse?
 

Proletariat

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Dec 9, 2004
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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Proletariat

WTF are you talking about?

Are you going to accuse our troops of harboring the same genocidal attitudes that existed during the colonization of America and most of its history?

It's an effect of colonialism. The British still support the actions of the British Empire. The Germans do not celebrate the Nazis. The Japanese mostly do not celebrate their Empire. Americans do not celebrate actions against natives. Australians do not celebrate actions against natives. Etc., etc, etc. However, the British still celebrate colonialism with a great zeal. I feel that this affects their behavior in Iraq.
...?

I have been to Britain and many people there profusely apologized to my uncle, who is from northern India, for the actions of their government.

Not only that, but if you go to many districts in England you will see signs in Punjabi and Hindi. The native languages of the richest and most exploited land in the British Empire. The British troops in Iraq even complained about the lack of curry and rice that they were used too in Britain. The British government responded with this:

http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=243418

Um, ok? Thanks for random statements. :confused:
I was trying to show the new British tolerance for things Indian. They are embracing the food, the culture, and the people.

I'm also surprised by your statements about Japan. They deny the Chinese holocaust to this day. Are you one of those idealistic fanboys? If you are I suggest you go to Japan and experience the "greatness" of their culture first hand.
 

CanOWorms

Lifer
Jul 3, 2001
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Originally posted by: Proletariat

I was trying to show the new British tolerance for things Indian. They are embracing the food, the culture, and the people.

The British are generally the most tolerant of Europe. However, that's not saying much. However, you didn't really show how they're tolerant for things Indian by showing how they have Indian food and Indian signs.

I'm also surprised by your statements about Japan. They deny the Chinese holocaust to this day. Are you one of those idealistic fanboys? If you are I suggest you go to Japan and experience the "greatness" of their culture first hand.

You should note how I phrased my statement. They do not celebrate their actions. However, even stating that they blatantly deny it is wrong, too.
 

Stunt

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Jul 17, 2002
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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Stunt
"I feel that this affects their behavior in Iraq."
Examples and how these behaviors are worse than their more advanced than their american counterparts?

Where did I say that their behavior was worse?
If you cannot distinguish, and you blame UK culture and society (from praising UK's colonialism), what do you blame the US behavior on?

You did state that the culture and society did affect UK behavior in Iraq....
 

CanOWorms

Lifer
Jul 3, 2001
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Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Stunt
"I feel that this affects their behavior in Iraq."
Examples and how these behaviors are worse than their more advanced than their american counterparts?

Where did I say that their behavior was worse?
If you cannot distinguish, and you blame UK culture and society (from praising UK's colonialism), what do you blame the US behavior on?

You did state that the culture and society did affect UK behavior in Iraq....

Morons, uneducated buffoons.

The UK behavior I blame on colonialism.

Denmark's behavior I blame on government pressure.
 

aidanjm

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Aug 9, 2004
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Originally posted by: Monkey muppet
This is not going to be very exciting,

I think Lib Dem might take a few more seats, low turn out, yawn!!

The problem here is that there is no STRONG opossing party


Voting isn't compulsory in the UK, right?

What would a "low turn out" be in terms of the percentage of the population bothering to vote, I wonder?
 

MmmSkyscraper

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Originally posted by: aidanjm

Voting isn't compulsory in the UK, right?

Correct.

What would a "low turn out" be in terms of the percentage of the population bothering to vote, I wonder?

From BBC News:

Turnout set to beat 2001 figure

Results so far suggest that turnout at the 2005 election is likely to be slightly up on four years ago. After 474 results, declared turnout was 60.16%, up 2% from those seats in 2001 election. In close run seats turnout has been as much as five points higher.

Turnout was expected to be higher as a result of the trebling in numbers of people registered to vote by post. Postal voting has increased most of all in the north of England - with a 9.8% increase there. This is probably due to voters being familiar with this method of voting. All-postal ballots were conducted there in the local elections in 2004.



 

aidanjm

Lifer
Aug 9, 2004
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Originally posted by: MmmSkyscraper
Results so far suggest that turnout at the 2005 election is likely to be slightly up on four years ago. After 474 results, declared turnout was 60.16%, up 2% from those seats in 2001 election. In close run seats turnout has been as much as five points higher.

Turnout was expected to be higher as a result of the trebling in numbers of people registered to vote by post. Postal voting has increased most of all in the north of England - with a 9.8% increase there. This is probably due to voters being familiar with this method of voting. All-postal ballots were conducted there in the local elections in 2004.


Interesting.

Hey, MmmSkyscraper - you are a fan of Underworld? :p

 

Monkey muppet

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I would say that I'm happy-ish with the result

Labour win with less seats than in 2001 & Lib Dem gaining a few more.

Now if Kennedy can build on his confidence, stand strong and work on his leadership skills I think next time around could go one of three ways.

The map of party wins: Here is rather interesting with a clear picture of voting empathy for thr respective parties, within the cities and rural areas
 

0roo0roo

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hm..well good thing he won. other parties are insane.

since i'm technically a citizen by birth... i wonder if i coulda gotten an over seas vote or something. or is that not allowed lol:)

Voting isn't compulsory in the UK, right?

naw, only in australia do u get fined for not voting i think. its rather two sided...either you have only the people who care voting.mostly crazies. or you have everyone voting so that the government is truely representative..but most people are retards.
 

Stunt

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Jul 17, 2002
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You can walk in and spoil your ballot in aust. if you are not confident in making an educated decision.
Most campaigns are run on misperceptions and spin anyway...
 

MmmSkyscraper

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Originally posted by: Monkey muppet
I would say that I'm happy-ish with the result

Labour win with less seats than in 2001 & Lib Dem gaining a few more.

Yeah same here. Labour lost more seats than I expected (*cough* Iraq), both Tories and Lib Dem's robbing them of that massive majority. Blair and Howard are set to step down at some point so it'll be all change soon.