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Either way it is a sad day for democracy

Kerouactivist

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51/49 spilt no matter who wins....its a sad defeat for us all when either 49 or 51 percent of the peoples voice's get drowned......
see sig for further reference........

apparently I can't spell.....see Rob
 
if we didn't get to vote, nobody would lose...

wait, no that doesn't sound right.

where is that sword in the stone when you need it.


Actually, regardless of who wins, the popular vote is just eye candy, so ....

 
Originally posted by: bthorny
Originally posted by: jtusa4
Originally posted by: AntaresVI
Do you have a better way to do it?

coalition multiparty government is more favorable to democracy......

And less favourable to accountability and stability. It's a trade-off. That being said, in countries with a strong democratic tradition, the extra democracy may be worth it.
 
Originally posted by: Kibbo
Originally posted by: bthorny
Originally posted by: jtusa4
Originally posted by: AntaresVI
Do you have a better way to do it?

coalition multiparty government is more favorable to democracy......

And less favourable to accountability and stability. It's a trade-off. That being said, in countries with a strong democratic tradition, the extra democracy may be worth it.


I would really like a futher explaination of what you mean by strong democratic tradition(51/49) and extra democracy
 
Originally posted by: bthorny
51/49 spilt no matter who whens....its a sad defeat for us all when either 49 or 51 percent of the peoples voice's get drowned......
see sig for further reference........
majority rules...51% of the people willed that W should be the pres so the only thing you can do now is wait for the 08 election and have a better candidate next time. 😉

 
We want to stand upon our own feet and look fair and square at the world -- its good facts, its bad facts, its beauties, and its ugliness; see the world as it is and be not afraid of it.

bertrand russell






we could have a king.
 
Originally posted by: theblackbox
We want to stand upon our own feet and look fair and square at the world -- its good facts, its bad facts, its beauties, and its ugliness; see the world as it is and be not afraid of it.

bertrand russell






we could have a king.

😀

Let Us Be Fearless
Bertrand Russell
from"Why I am Not a Christian"
the moment I saw that quote I knew it from my bookshelf

maybe we should quote him more elegantly

Religion is based, I think, primarily and mainly upon fear. It is partly the terror of the unknown, and partly, as I have said, the wish to feel that you have a kind of elder brother who will stand by you in all your troubles and disputes. Fear is the basis of the whole thing -- fear of the mysterious, fear of defeat, fear of death. Fear is the parent of cruelty, and therefore it is no wonder if cruelty and religion have gone hand-in-hand. It is because fear is at the basis of those two things. In this world we can now begin a little to understand things, and a little to master them by the help of science, which has forced its way step by step against the Christian religion, against the Churches, and against the opposition of all the old precepts. Science can help us to get over this craven fear in which mankind has lived for so many generations. Science can teach us, and I think our own hearts can teach us, no longer to look round for imaginary supports, no longer to invent allies in the sky, but rather to look to our own efforts here below to make this world a fit place to live in, instead of the sort of place that the Churches in all these centuries have made it.

We want to stand upon our own feet and look fair and square at the world -- its good facts, its bad facts, its beauties, and its ugliness; see the world as it is and be not afraid of it. Conquer the world by intelligence, and not merely by being slavishly subdued by the terror that comes from it. The whole conception of God is a conception derived from the ancient Oriental despotisms. It is a conception quite unworthy of free men. When you hear people in church debasing themselves and saying that they are miserable sinners, and all the rest of it, it seems contemptible and not worthy of self-respecting human beings. We ought to stand up and look the world frankly in the face. We ought to make the best we can of the world, and if it is not so good as we wish, after all it will still be better than what these others have made of it in all these ages. A good world needs knowledge, kindliness, and courage; it does not need a regretful hankering after the past, or a fettering of the free intelligence by the words uttered long ago by ignorant men. It needs a fearless outlook and a free intelligence. It needs hope for the future, not looking back all the time towards a past that is dead, which we trust will be far surpassed by the future that our intelligence can create

 
Originally posted by: bthorny
51/49 spilt no matter who whens....its a sad defeat for us all when either 49 or 51 percent of the peoples voice's get drowned......
see sig for further reference........

Um, when you learn to spell "wins" I might listen to you.
 
seems important to mention that no president has won with more than 50% or more of the popular vote in awhile.

I don't think that Clinton did either time he was elected.
 
Originally posted by: Rob9874
Originally posted by: bthorny
51/49 spilt no matter who whens....its a sad defeat for us all when either 49 or 51 percent of the peoples voice's get drowned......
see sig for further reference........

Um, when you learn to spell "wins" I might listen to you.

excuse the drunked electorate for we are not cognitive.
 
Originally posted by: loki8481
seems important to mention that no president has won with more than 50% or more of the popular vote in awhile.

I don't think that Clinton did either time he was elected.

......and thats why I say multiparty coalition is best representative of democracy because no matter what side you're on of that split....still heard



 
Originally posted by: bthorny
51/49 spilt no matter who wins....its a sad defeat for us all when either 49 or 51 percent of the peoples voice's get drowned......
see sig for further reference........

apparently I can't spell.....see Rob

Their voices don't get drowned. The fact that the vote was so close will help keep the republicans from moving too far to the right. While they didn't get the president they wanted, those 49% still have had an influence on the direction the country will go and on how much conservative agenda the republicans will try to push.

It is NEVER a sad day when the people of this country have the freedom and opportunity to go out and choose their own leaders. Whether Bush or Kerry won, it was a great day for our country.

And you fixed "wins", but you are still talking about a 51/49 spilt.😀
 
Disagree wholeheartedly with the OP. The country may be divided on the candidate, but for the most part, people in this country want the same things. The split does nothing but make me appreciative of the freedoms of choice we enjoy in this country. A great day for America today is. I liken the division to a big family with brothers and sisters who fight like dogs all of the time. But watch the heck out when someone craps on the family, they all pull together to quash the someone who crapped on the family.......they wouldn't want it any other way either....

m
 
Hey none of you guys have to worry anymore because we are a Republic, true democracy would probably never work
 
Originally posted by: DT4K
Their voices don't get drowned. The fact that the vote was so close will help keep the republicans from moving too far to the right. While they didn't get the president they wanted, those 49% still have had an influence on the direction the country will go and on how much conservative agenda the republicans will try to push.

Ha! Did nothing for the last four years. Remember how everyone was predicting Bush would be a do-nothing president, because half the country was against him? Well, he just totally ignored them, and did his own thing.
 
Yes, so lets say we have 3 equally balanced parties, so 66% of the people "lose" because 37% pick what they want?

More like - "its a sad day for democracy because my guy lost."
 
Originally posted by: Mucker
Disagree wholeheartedly with the OP. The country may be divided on the candidate, but for the most part, people in this country want the same things. The split does nothing but make me appreciative of the freedoms of choice we enjoy in this country. A great day for America today is. I liken the division to a big family with brothers and sisters who fight like dogs all of the time. But watch the heck out when someone craps on the family, they all pull together to quash the someone who crapped on the family.......they wouldn't want it any other way either....

m

that is quite considerably laughable considering the split....your acting as though 100% all came together in the end and said.....bush....god bless him.
 
Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
Yes, so lets say we have 3 equally balanced parties, so 66% of the people "lose" because 37% pick what they want?

More like - "its a sad day for democracy because my guy lost."

thank you for your suprisingly educated response....it sounds like you really understand how multiparty coalition govt. works........

 
Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
Yes, so lets say we have 3 equally balanced parties, so 66% of the people "lose" because 37% pick what they want?

More like - "its a sad day for democracy because my guy lost."

Exactly. Bush broke the record for highest popular vote. I'd say democracy worked today.
 
Originally posted by: Rob9874
Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
Yes, so lets say we have 3 equally balanced parties, so 66% of the people "lose" because 37% pick what they want?

More like - "its a sad day for democracy because my guy lost."

Exactly. Bush broke the record for highest popular vote. I'd say democracy worked today.
That's not saying a whole lot. Yes, he got more than Reagan but our country's population has grown quite a bit in the last 20 years.
 
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