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Eisinghower's murder of 1.8 million Germans.

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And that lack of GC protections lead to the deaths of thousands, hundred of thousands, over a million in work camps across Europe and the Soviet Union post war.

So are you attempting to blame the US military for this? The Soviet's treated their POWs like shit which was unfortunately the same way the Nazis treated captured Soviets.

As for the OP its really sad when you admit to not even really having read what you are posting about. Is your next thread going to be be about the number Japanese "murdered" by MacArthur?
 
How the fuck does this OP's threads gain ANY traction?

Well, the OP claims he can't help doing what he does and that makes me sad so I keep trying to find a way to change that belief because I believe it's only a belief and not a reality. We have a soul here who is tortured by dependence on the state and seems to hate his own dependence. It seems to me that with any compulsive behavior one needs to see that there is some need that drives it. If I had a need to kick myself in the ass, and I really believe that I do, then it would be very convenient for him, if he's like me, to post compulsively over and over again to prove to himself how out of control, helpless, and contemptible he is. My belief then is that if one can shine a light on this process an escape route might be in the offering. To escape the rut of spinning your wheels in mud, you need to take a different approach than stepping on the gas all the time. A rut is broken by seeing from a different perspective, it seems to me. We always create what we fear by not seeing our real motivations. I don't see how one can stop kicking himself in the ass if that's the motive, without seeing that motive. A depressed state is maintained by doing what causes one to feel depressed. A person who hates the government for caring about the disabled gets to whip the shit out of himself by being dependently disabled. We have to understand our game before we can stop playing it.

He hates himself by hating the fact that he is dependent of hateful government care, but he can't make me do that because I am glad the government cares because the government is me. I care and he's never going to convince me not to or that he's worthless. Praise be to government care.
 
So are you attempting to blame the US military for this? The Soviet's treated their POWs like shit which was unfortunately the same way the Nazis treated captured Soviets.

As for the OP its really sad when you admit to not even really having read what you are posting about. Is your next thread going to be be about the number Japanese "murdered" by MacArthur?

Im blaming our policy for this. We decided to designate these POWs as DEF to circumvent the GC. This allowed us to not treat them as well, and enslave them to work around europe until we deemed them fit to be freed. As a result estimates around 800K died but over additional 1 million went missing. We just fought a war against a regime that would do this to enslave people and then we go ahead and copy their rationale for doing the same. When I first read about this is blew my mind. I had never heard of this policy in any of our history books.
 
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Im blaming our policy for this. We decided to designate these POWs as DEF to circumvent the GC. This allowed us to not treat them as well, and enslave them to work around europe until we deemed them fit to be freed. As a result estimates around 800K died but over additional 1 million went missing. We just fought a war against a regime that would do this to enslave people and then we go ahead and copy their rationale for doing the same. When I first read about this is blew my mind. I had never heard of this policy in any of our history books.

Lets be a bit more specific, 800K died and 1M missing while in US custody?
 
Im blaming our policy for this. We decided to designate these POWs as DEF to circumvent the GC. This allowed us to not treat them as well, and enslave them to work around europe until we deemed them fit to be freed. As a result estimates around 800K died but over additional 1 million went missing. We just fought a war against a regime that would do this to enslave people and then we go ahead and copy their rationale for doing the same. When I first read about this is blew my mind. I had never heard of this policy in any of our history books.

Also realize why they were reclassified.
Because of the logistical impossibility of feeding millions of surrendered German soldiers at the levels required by the Geneva Convention during the food crisis of 1945, the purpose of the designation—along with the British designation of Surrendered Enemy Personnel (SEP)—was to prevent categorization of the prisoners as Prisoners of War (POW) under the 1929 Geneva Convention.

The worst dislocation of agriculture was caused by the German zonal partitions, which cut off Western Germany from its "breadbasket" of farm lands east of the Oder-Neisse line that had accounted for 35% of Germany's prewar food production,[4] and which the Yalta Conference had given to Poland to compensate for lands of Eastern Poland.[4] The Soviet Union, with millions of its own starving citizens at home, was not willing to distribute this production to the population in western Germany.

Regarding the adherence to the Geneva Convention for vanquished Germans, Churchill at the Casablanca Conference in 1943 summed up the Allies "unconditional surrender" policy with "It we are bound, we are bound by our consciences to civilization."[27] In prosecuting the war, SHAEF carried out the decisions of the Combined (Anglo-American) Chiefs of Staff (CCS).[28] They had to execute the directives of the European Advisory Commission (EAC), which included the Soviet Union.[28] The CCS and EAC directives implemented policies of the heads of government who decided the most important questions of Allied occupation policy.[28] After the EAC was set up by the 1943 Moscow Conference, it drafted the instruments of unconditional surrender.[27] During the EAC debates the Allies determined that they could strip the Germans of all government, including their protection by international law, and be free to punish them without restriction.[27][29] The Geneva Convention (GC) required SHAEF to feed German POWs a ration equal to its own base soldiers. The original discussion of the Allies treating post Victory in Europe (V-E) Day prisoners of war as something other than those protected by the Geneva Convention had its vague origins in the Casablanca Conference, but it was given specific form by the EAC in the summer of 1944 in a "draft instrument of surrender" given to the American government.[30] The instrument required the surrendering German commander to accept that his men "shall at the discretion of the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the Allied State concerned be declared to be Prisoners of War."[31] Several factors went into this consideration, including that the EAC member the Soviet Union refused to sign the Geneva Conventions, despite intense pressure from 1942 onward to sign the document.[32] Behind the Soviets' refusal were a number of considerations closely linked with the regime, but a major consideration that emerged at the Tehran Conference was that Soviet leader Joseph Stalin desired four million German laborers for an "indefinite period", perhaps for life.[32] The Soviets' refusal to even consider signing the GC created great problems for the EAC, including the fact that a single surrender instrument could not be drafted if a Soviet commander taking the surrender could not possibly commit his government to accord GC rights to prisoners
 
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He murdered 1.8 million Germans, so i guess that was how he got selected for president. I'll provide a link some time after 5 pm est today, Im on my mom's iPad 2 and it is kind of hard to navigate.

Anyway, Bob a Taft was better than Goldwater and this would be a freer country today if Eisenhower hadn't killed off the ideas of the Old Right. Robert A Taft was the first States' rights member of the Neo-Republican party and one of not more than 15.

And I have found out where he got his info; that has been debunked.
In his 1989 book Other Losses, James Bacque claimed that Allied Supreme Commander Dwight Eisenhower deliberately caused the death of 790,000 German captives in internment camps through disease, starvation and cold from 1944 to 1949. Bacque charges that some of these deaths were DEF designated soldiers that could receive harsh treatment because they did not fall within the Geneva Convention protections. Stephen Ambrose, at the time director of the Eisenhower center at the University of Orleans, also organized a conference of eight British, American, and German historians. The result of this conference was a group of papers by these eight historians published in 1992 as the book Eisenhower and the German POWs: Facts against Falsehood which strongly disputes virtually every claim in James Bacque's book, including his categorization of "other losses", their purported origination, Bacque's description of the DEF designation decision, Bacque's oral histories, Bacque's methodologies and Bacque's analysis of World War II documents.[41][42] Even with regard to the poor conditions of prisoner camps highlighted by Bacque which the panel members agree existed, the New Orleans panel concluded that Bacque raised no new or novel issues that had not been raised since the Maschke Commission findings of the 1960s and 1970s, and studies thereafter that had also chronicled those conditions in far more specific detail.[41][43]
 
Well, the OP claims he can't help doing what he does and that makes me sad so I keep trying to find a way to change that belief because I believe it's only a belief and not a reality. We have a soul here who is tortured by dependence on the state and seems to hate his own dependence. It seems to me that with any compulsive behavior one needs to see that there is some need that drives it. If I had a need to kick myself in the ass, and I really believe that I do, then it would be very convenient for him, if he's like me, to post compulsively over and over again to prove to himself how out of control, helpless, and contemptible he is. My belief then is that if one can shine a light on this process an escape route might be in the offering. To escape the rut of spinning your wheels in mud, you need to take a different approach than stepping on the gas all the time. A rut is broken by seeing from a different perspective, it seems to me. We always create what we fear by not seeing our real motivations. I don't see how one can stop kicking himself in the ass if that's the motive, without seeing that motive. A depressed state is maintained by doing what causes one to feel depressed. A person who hates the government for caring about the disabled gets to whip the shit out of himself by being dependently disabled. We have to understand our game before we can stop playing it.

He hates himself by hating the fact that he is dependent of hateful government care, but he can't make me do that because I am glad the government cares because the government is me. I care and he's never going to convince me not to or that he's worthless. Praise be to government care.

You forget your meds today. Read the quote below.
 
He hates himself by hating the fact that he is dependent of hateful government care, but he can't make me do that because I am glad the government cares because the government is me. I care and he's never going to convince me not to or that he's worthless. Praise be to government care.
you seriously are an idiot and you are really offensive by thinking you and other liberals are helping when you're just a nuisance... none of what you said about me is true other than that i hate myself, but you got the reason totally wrong as i am NOT on "government care".

EDIT: im sorry for being an ass even if i find almost of your posts annoying. and you're not an idiot.🙂
 
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In his 1989 book Other Losses, James Bacque claimed that Allied Supreme Commander Dwight Eisenhower deliberately caused the death of 790,000 German captives in internment camps through disease, starvation and cold from 1944 to 1949. Bacque charges that some of these deaths were DEF designated soldiers that could receive harsh treatment because they did not fall within the Geneva Convention protections. Stephen Ambrose, at the time director of the Eisenhower center at the University of Orleans, also organized a conference of eight British, American, and German historians. The result of this conference was a group of papers by these eight historians published in 1992 as the book Eisenhower and the German POWs: Facts against Falsehood which strongly disputes virtually every claim in James Bacque's book, including his categorization of "other losses", their purported origination, Bacque's description of the DEF designation decision, Bacque's oral histories, Bacque's methodologies and Bacque's analysis of World War II documents.[41][42] Even with regard to the poor conditions of prisoner camps highlighted by Bacque which the panel members agree existed, the New Orleans panel concluded that Bacque raised no new or novel issues that had not been raised since the Maschke Commission findings of the 1960s and 1970s, and studies thereafter that had also chronicled those conditions in far more specific detail.[41][43]
not an unbiased source considering that it was organized by someone in the eisenhower center of what i assume is a public university.

Also realize why they were reclassified.
so you trust statements churchill made?
 
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😱

:hmm:

I had it often growing up. hmm

:twisted:

AND I LOVED IT!

Then you'd fit right in with our Hawaiian affection (affliction?) for this tasty treat. Whenever this stuff goes on discounted sale they get wiped out on the first day. My favorite is the "Spam Grenade". It's prepped sushi style with a medium thick slice of grilled spam laid down on a small "loaf" of sticky rice then wrapped with dried seaweed. Next on the list is a dish where a few slices of spam is breaded (or not) and pan fried, then served with eggs as you like them, starch of your choice, toast and coffee. I'm not even going to get into all of the ethnic dish variations that exist.
 
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In his 1989 book Other Losses, James Bacque claimed that Allied Supreme Commander Dwight Eisenhower deliberately caused the death of 790,000 German captives in internment camps through disease, starvation and cold from 1944 to 1949. Bacque charges that some of these deaths were DEF designated soldiers that could receive harsh treatment because they did not fall within the Geneva Convention protections. Stephen Ambrose, at the time director of the Eisenhower center at the University of Orleans, also organized a conference of eight British, American, and German historians. The result of this conference was a group of papers by these eight historians published in 1992 as the book Eisenhower and the German POWs: Facts against Falsehood which strongly disputes virtually every claim in James Bacque's book, including his categorization of "other losses", their purported origination, Bacque's description of the DEF designation decision, Bacque's oral histories, Bacque's methodologies and Bacque's analysis of World War II documents.[41][42] Even with regard to the poor conditions of prisoner camps highlighted by Bacque which the panel members agree existed, the New Orleans panel concluded that Bacque raised no new or novel issues that had not been raised since the Maschke Commission findings of the 1960s and 1970s, and studies thereafter that had also chronicled those conditions in far more specific detail.[41][43]
not an unbiased source considering that it was organized by someone in the eisenhower center of what i assume is a public university.

If it came from just him (Ambrose), yes there might be bias; because it came from 8 other historians; some German, I would take that research over the other.

Also realize why they were reclassified.
so you trust statements churchill made?

Since it was documented; I would trust them.
Do you have any evidence that such a statement was made up?
 
He murdered 1.8 million Germans, so i guess that was how he got selected for president. I'll provide a link some time after 5 pm est today, Im on my mom's iPad 2 and it is kind of hard to navigate.

Anyway, Bob a Taft was better than Goldwater and this would be a freer country today if Eisenhower hadn't killed off the ideas of the Old Right. Robert A Taft was the first States' rights member of the Neo-Republican party and one of not more than 15.

Where is the link?

And there you go again putting multiple independent ideas into one post; which is it that you intended on discussing (You did the same on the Medicare thread)
 
[link] and sorry for putting mulitple ideas into one post. fortunately, the the 2nd part was ignored.

Everything is based on one book that seems to have flawed/biased research.

The hate letter was written during the war; not after Ike became responsible to the German people; look at what he did while in charge; bending rules to benefit the country.
 
A420 I think you bring up some very interesting points. I wonder though, how would you have won WWII without killing Germans?

Germany lost something around 7,000,000 people before they surrendered. The Allies firebombed entire cities, creating their own weather patterns and inferno tornadoes, killing tens of thousands of people and the Germans didn't surrender.

I'm very interested to hear your peaceful suggestions.
 
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