[EG] AMD CPU's performance get "massive boost" as devs optimize next-gen game engines

[Chiropteran]

LMAO??? :awe:

Intel's best getting 12 fps at times at 1280X720? I agree, LMAO.

 

[frozentundra123456]

So wait, now intel has +50% advantage in gaming ?? Lmao
Unless you game at 480x240 it's safe to say that in single GPU scenarios an FX is nowhere near 50% slower than any intel chip (even in those notorious intel loving games like SC2).

Take a look how "lowly" 6800K performs in games with high end GPU in 19x12(the resolution people use when they have high end GPU like GHZ Edition 7970). It's indistinguishable from 3570K in 19x12 in BF3, TomRaider and FC3. I guess SC2 and few other games would show a lead for intel but 3570K is much more pricier than 6800K and the average gaming performance in single GPU scenario in 19x12 is very comparable.

I am getting ready to go on a trip, so dont have time to look at other benchmarks, but those are overall very strange results.

 

[inf64]

Not really . It's from AT.

A CPU for Single GPU Gaming: A8-5600K + Core Parking updates
If I were gaming today on a single GPU, the A8-5600K (or non-K equivalent) would strike me as a price competitive choice for frame rates, as long as you are not a big Civilization V player and don’t mind the single threaded performance. The A8-5600K scores within a percentage point or two across the board in single GPU frame rates with both a HD7970 and a GTX580, as well as feels the same in the OS as an equivalent Intel CPU. The A8-5600K will also overclock a little, giving a boost, and comes in at a stout $110, meaning that some of those $$$ can go towards a beefier GPU or an SSD. The only downside is if you are planning some heavy OS work – if the software is Piledriver-aware all might be well, although most processing is not, and perhaps an i3-3225 or FX-8350 might be worth a look.

Sorry . These are the facts when it comes to single GPU gaming. Apart from few isolated badly coded games, 5600K "scores within a percentage point or two across the board in single GPU frame rates with both a HD7970 and a GTX580".

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Luckily it didn't spend much time there, hence the avg of 31.3, however it's interesting that the min for Intel is almost as fast as the average for AMDs best chip.

Given how popular the game is, and how it isn't ever going to appear on a console I think we can assume if you're a gamer who enjoys these types of games AMD isn't an option at any price point.

 

[SPBHM]

Yup, game is just a turd unfortunately . 70$ (+46%) pricier i5 it is then if you play SC2 . In vast majority of other cases 1-2 fps difference. Seems like a great deal :awe:

plenty of games show 50%++ difference, even comparing to cheaper i5s

take a look at some links provided in this topic
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2330730

so you have the i5, in some games much faster, in others offering the same performance (mostly GPU bound)... looks to me like not recommending FX for a gaming PC is a pretty obvious thing to do...

and the gap is so big that, even with a "massive boost" I don't think things will change much.

 

[inf64]

Ok now we are so desperate it's up to one or two games to decide if AMD is not an option at any price point. Gotcha! :awe:

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Ok now we are so desperate it's up to one or two games to decide if AMD is not an option at any price point. Gotcha! :awe:

It's really the other way around, when gamers have to chose to ignore a large array of game types just to justify a CPU purchase.

Another non console port, this one just happens to probably be the most popular free to play game in the world. More popular than say WoW which is also terrible on AMD.

 

[inf64]

Just read the AT article I linked above, it's all in there. Thanks.

PS I'm glad you are happy with your 200+$ purchase. I got mine 750K for 60 euros and I play all games at medium/high with now rather old radeon 6870 . It couldn't be better purchase and I'm extremely satisfied.

 

[AtenRa]

One word, HuMA

SONY PS4 has it, AMD Kaveri(APU) has it.

FX may not see a huge jump of performance but AMD APUs will be untouchable. Intel really has a problem here and that’s luck of performance in iGPUs. APUs are the future and Intel will soon lose ground.

Now continue with the trolling.

 

[AtenRa]

Link plz

 

[inf64]

It's WoW (edit: or not?; dunno which game that is, pretty lame chart that has no label on top), basically all non lifers that play it 24/7 need intel i5 or better. I can give him that much .

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Just read the AT article I linked above, it's all in there. Thanks.

I agree with their conclusion, if I was going to play those four titles for the rest of my life and completely ignore the only moderately cpu intensive one I'd buy a A10 too.

Link plz

http://www.overclockers.ru/lab/4994...ovlenie_0.8.0_-_novyj_rendering_i_fizika.html

 

[Keysplayr]

One word, HuMA

SONY PS4 has it, AMD Kaveri(APU) has it.

FX may not see a huge jump of performance but AMD APUs will be untouchable. Intel really has a problem here and that’s luck of performance in iGPUs. APUs are the future and Intel will soon lose ground.

Now continue with the trolling.

Not really. Intel seems to be rapidly doubling performance every gen of their iGPUs. Iris Pro is looking pretty good compared to it's predecessor. And with Intel's resources, will probably overtake AMD's APU's in the next few gens.

 

[inf64]

No need for A10. 750K or 760K for 60euros does the job equally well . OC the sucker to 4.2-4.5Ghz and you are set (unless you play these few pathetically optimized games, then it's intel for 150+ more $ all the way captain).

 

[Broheim]

That's probably a combination of not having the correct underlying libraries to allow you to do threading safely, and not really knowing what you were doing so not coding it in a way suited to threading. Still well done for having a go at it

I'll admit I have next to experience in game development, but this wasn't a HS introduction class to CS. This was as a second year CS major, I had a pretty good idea of what I was doing.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Few? They're quite numerous and mostly crazy popular PC titles.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Not really . It's from AT.

Sorry . These are the facts when it comes to single GPU gaming. Apart from few isolated badly coded games, 5600K "scores within a percentage point or two across the board in single GPU frame rates with both a HD7970 and a GTX580".

That was one of the worst tests I have ever seen in AT. Very limited selection of games at only a single resolution. If you go to something like game.gpu, at 1080p, there are plenty of games that show a difference in cpu performance.

Edit: Besides, if you use the results you linked, it doesnt really matter if AMD gets a "massive improvement", because cpu doesnt matter anyway.

 

[Durp]

I really hate reading the same responses on these Anandtech forums from the same people scrambling to find something good to say about AMD processors.

If you step back into reality, one very important and simple fact is that more PC gamers are currently playing single or dual threaded games. This isn't even a close amount more, this is MANY times more people playing stuff like Dota 2/SC2/WoW/Civ5/CS/TF2 and pretty much ANY MMO compared to highly threaded games. This cannot be disputed, player counts are readily available.

In some (most) of these titles, AMD cannot hold 120Hz/FPS because their per core performance is awful even after they're overclocked. But sandy/ivy/haswell can actually pull this off and if it still can't hold that higher frame rate it still ends up being much more than what any vishera chip can offer. Don't even think of running two cards either unless you like "flushing your money down the toilet" performance gains. Because of this I think recommending these processors for gaming is very poor advice.

But you guys will just step back out of reality and into your dream world where you think most people are playing games that utilize 5+ cores. If this was actually the case you would have a small point, but it's not the case.

 

[inf64]

If you want to know what is crazy popular, head to steam and see it for yourself.


395,520 443,921 Dota 2
51,975 65,522 Team Fortress 2
28,496 42,598 Football Manager 2013
27,695 47,501 Sid Meier's Civilization V
26,882 40,653 The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
24,464 30,813 Counter-Strike
20,793 28,018 Counter-Strike: Source
19,179 31,589 Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
17,283 29,771 Garry's Mod
12,666 18,659 Call of Duty: Black Ops II - Multiplayer

Dota2 CPU performance. 2M Piledriver performs great.
TF 2 performance. No Richland here but Bulldozer gets ~150fps which is more than enough for fluid game
Football Manager 2013. I doubt this thing needs more than lowly DC to run well.
Sid Meier's Civilization V. This game is one of the few that needs i5 but 55fps for 5800K is really not bad at all.
Skyrim. 2nd of the few titles that performs better on intel chips.
Counter-Strike. This is rather old game that makes no difference on which CPU you ran it.
Counter-Strike: Source. This is rather old game that makes no difference on which CPU you ran it.
Counter-Strike: Global Offensive. I doubt this game sees any difference on modern QC CPUs.
Garry's Mod. This is rather old game that makes no difference on which CPU you ran it.
Call of Duty: Black Ops II - Multiplayer Pretty much same performance on 5800K as on other chips.
I will add one more very popular title: BF3. If you have modern QC (Trinity included) you are set.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/202990/

 

[Durp]

If you want to know what is crazy popular, head to steam and see it for yourself.


395,520 443,921 Dota 2
51,975 65,522 Team Fortress 2
28,496 42,598 Football Manager 2013
27,695 47,501 Sid Meier's Civilization V
26,882 40,653 The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
24,464 30,813 Counter-Strike
20,793 28,018 Counter-Strike: Source
19,179 31,589 Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
17,283 29,771 Garry's Mod
12,666 18,659 Call of Duty: Black Ops II - Multiplayer

Dota2 CPU performance. 2M Piledriver performs great.
TF 2 performance. No Richland here but Bulldozer gets ~150fps which is more than enough for fluid game
Football Manager 2013. I doubt this thing needs more than lowly DC to run well.
Sid Meier's Civilization V. This game is one of the few that needs i5 but 55fps for 5800K is really not bad at all.
Skyrim. 2nd of the few titles that performs better on intel chips.
Counter-Strike. This is rather old game that makes no difference on which CPU you ran it.
Counter-Strike: Source. This is rather old game that makes no difference on which CPU you ran it.
Counter-Strike: Global Offensive. I doubt this game sees any difference on modern QC CPUs.
Garry's Mod. This is rather old game that makes no difference on which CPU you ran it.
Call of Duty: Black Ops II - Multiplayer Pretty much same performance on 5800K as on other chips.
I will add one more very popular title: BF3. If you have modern QC (Trinity included) you are set.

This response proves you have no clue how these games actually perform. The first two reviews you linked do not represent actual gameplay.

 

[inf64]

Sure, don't let the links to reviews make you click them that fast. I'm done discussing this with you guys. Obviously you are not going to change your mind. Enjoy your mega expensive hardware playing dual threaded games that run well on much less expensive systems also. I know I am .

 

[Durp]

Sure, don't let the links to reviews make you click them that fast. I'm done discussing this with you guys. Obviously you are not going to change your mind. Enjoy your mega expensive hardware playing dual threaded games that run well on much less expensive systems also. I know I am .

Check the edit, your links are worthless.

 

[inf64]

Sure they are.

 

[PPB]

Oh noes, a lowly 4170 only gets 72 minimuns on Dota 2, how dare they sell such a crappy processor?


Oh, wait. :hmm:

 

[Idontcare]

I really hate reading the same responses on these Anandtech forums from the same people scrambling to find something good to say about AMD processors.

Dude, calm down. There is a spectrum of processor capability, even from Intel.

Unless you intend to claim that anything less than a 5GHz delidded OC'ed 4770K is necessary for gaming then you are already acquiescing the point that something less than the absolute best is still going to be adequate.

And in that vein you have to acknowledge that there is a range of processors, from both Intel and AMD, that span the cost spectrum providing compelling performance at any given pricepoint.

If you have something good to say about the performance of a $200 Intel i5 then you have something good to say of a <$200 FX chip.

If you have something good to say about the performance of a $100 Intel i3 then you have something good to say of a $100 APU chip.

AMD and Intel don't come up with these prices out of thin air, they are pretty much bang-on for price/performance.