eFuse: Might want to hold off on buying that Droid X

Bateluer

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http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/0...a-droid-x-gets-even-lower-say-hello-to-efuse/

This deserves a separate thread, IMO, but if a mod wants to merge it, fine.

On the MyDroidWorld forums, site founder p3droid has recently shared some new and disheartening information about the Droid X. While we reported that the Droid X is locked down with an encrypted bootloader, it now seems Motorola has taken an extra step to ensure no one starts tinkering under the hood.

In the event that the bootloader, kernel, or ROM are noticeably compromised, your Droid X will try to brick itself.

How does it work? While p3droid’s technical explanation will be far more informative than my brief summary, the technology at work here is known as eFuse. It has a simple purpose: to check the version of the bootloader, kernel, and ROM of your phone against those which eFuse is programmed to look for.

If the check fails, eFuse corrupts your bootloader, rendering your phone completely useless (well, it might make a good paperweight). To fix it, you must take your phone to a Verizon store, and presumably they would have to ship it to a Motorola facility where the necessary hardware exists to resuscitate your device.

This has major ramifications for those who would attempt to find a way to unlock the Droid X; one wrong move could destroy hours, days, or weeks of effort. It would also be likely that Verizon (or Motorola) would also charge for this “service,” since you are likely aware that trying to unlock the phone will void your warranty.

Moto phones just got scratched off my list of possible upgrades. Looking at the Samsung Galaxy S series now.
 

Phobic9

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Still getting my X either today or tomorrow. Samsung Fascinate isn't going to launch with VZW until this Fall which gives me plenty of time to see if it'll be worthwhile for me to sell my X on eBay and trade.

In the meantime, I'll still have my Droid 1 if I feel the need to flash ROMs.
 

TheWart

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wow that is lame. I can understand manufacturers/telcos saying "If you flash, then no software tech support for your issues," but this just seems lame.
 

Spoooon

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wow that is lame. I can understand manufacturers/telcos saying "If you flash, then no software tech support for your issues," but this just seems lame.

It would be cool if companies were to offer something like unlocked phones that require you to, ahead of time, waive free exchanges and repairs, purchase insurance, or something so that you'd have the choice.

The fuse thing would kill things like jailbreaking and custom ROMs.
 

tatteredpotato

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wow that is lame. I can understand manufacturers/telcos saying "If you flash, then no software tech support for your issues," but this just seems lame.

Well the companies do that because they lose money when customers use third party hacks to enable tethering and mobile hotspot features. Moto is most likely offered more money or other incentives by VZW to include these features.
 

TheWart

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Well the companies do that because they lose money when customers use third party hacks to enable tethering and mobile hotspot features. Moto is most likely offered more money or other incentives by VZW to include these features.

Well, I can't say that I can fault the telco's for clamping down on the illicit hotspotting (if usage is excessive), but this seems to be addressing a narrow issue with a bazooka-like response. Regardless, hopefully the justification that you raised will fade away once/if we ever get to LTE and a true tiered/metered billing system. If that happens, then it won't matter if you use your phone to tether or act as a hotspot because you will pay for the bandwidth you use.
 

Cuda1447

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Well the companies do that because they lose money when customers use third party hacks to enable tethering and mobile hotspot features. Moto is most likely offered more money or other incentives by VZW to include these features.

Thing is, the people that are smart enough to do this, just won't buy their phones. There is plenty of competition out there for Android. Most die hard enthusiasts this is a deal breaker for them. The other people, well they were never going to root anyway.
 

tatteredpotato

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Thing is, the people that are smart enough to do this, just won't buy their phones. There is plenty of competition out there for Android. Most die hard enthusiasts this is a deal breaker for them. The other people, well they were never going to root anyway.

True, but if VZW only sells phones with encrypted bootloaders from here on out then once the Droid 1s get out dated the hackers will be forced to upgrade. Of course theres a good chance the bootloaders will be cracked by then too.

Although look at the Xbox 360... It's been out for 5 years and there is yet to be someone to modify the software on that (AFAIK at least), and I know it's CPU uses eFuses as well.
 

Bateluer

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True, but if VZW only sells phones with encrypted bootloaders from here on out then once the Droid 1s get out dated the hackers will be forced to upgrade. Of course theres a good chance the bootloaders will be cracked by then too.

We go to another carrier or phone.
 

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linky <-post by one of the people trying to hack the X

Well apparently eFuse is in all the OMAP handsets. Including the Droid, Droid2, Milestone etc. It has never been an issue with the Droid and it's been modded all over the place so nobody knows if Moto has actually activated it on the X or not.
 
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Phobic9

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linky <-post by one of the people trying to hack the X

Well apparently eFuse is in all the OMAP handsets. Including the Droid, Droid2, Milestone etc. It has never been an issue with the Droid and it's been modded all over the place so nobody knows if Moto has actually activated it on the X or not.

Yeah I just saw this as well. Pretty interesting to say the least but I'm enjoying my ROM-less X right now. I don't even want to look at my Droid 1 anymore.
 

AstroManLuca

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Wow, that is ridiculous. If Apple did this to people jailbreaking iPhones, there would be an outcry.
 

Bateluer

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Yeah I just saw this as well. Pretty interesting to say the least but I'm enjoying my ROM-less X right now. I don't even want to look at my Droid 1 anymore.

Read that too, slightly uplifting in the face of all the bad news about the Droid X. We'll have to see how things pan out.
 

Platypus

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We'll have to see how it plays out.

Still doesn't help the encrypted bootloader though.
 

Phobic9

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yea with the info coming out this is apparently non-news to anyone who understands the OMAP3 chipset as it's a built in "security feature" that may or may not be active.

That wont stop the misinformation and panic/trolling on the web though, ugh.

Yeah at least the word is getting out that there were a bunch of unproven claims made. Regardless, it's still a "wait and see", which I have no problems doing.
 

Bateluer

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yea with the info coming out this is apparently non-news to anyone who understands the OMAP3 chipset as it's a built in "security feature" that may or may not be active.

That wont stop the misinformation and panic/trolling on the web though, ugh.

Which is, ironically, now widely known thanks to the wave that spread the news around the Internet at light speed. Few people even knew the technology was built into all OMAP 3 CPUs, including myself and probably 99&#37; of the people on AT.

Regardless, I'd still wait on buying a Droid X, regardless of whether I wanted to load custom ROMS or now. I see no point in supporting a company that takes ownership of the device I paid for.
 
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linky <-post by one of the people trying to hack the X

Well apparently eFuse is in all the OMAP handsets. Including the Droid, Droid2, Milestone etc. It has never been an issue with the Droid and it's been modded all over the place so nobody knows if Moto has actually activated it on the X or not.

The DROID never had a locked bootloader. We Milestone users know very well. We have a GSM version that is locked down. Look at all the development. The bootloader hasn't even been hacked yet. The closest we got was using a kexec vulnerability which unloads the current bootloader and loads a custom bootloader to avoid the checks...

This stuff is like cracking an RSA 2048 number if you wanted to try and it would take a massive amount of brute force... It's not easy.

Quite honestly, if you're waiting for the bootloader to become unlocked and custom roms to fly out like the DROID, it's not going to be easy. We've had the Droid for almost a year now, and same with the Milestone. We're still stuck at square one with the Milestone. The SENSE ports we've had are disastrous and half the features don't work... and it's not really for everyday use...

Wow, that is ridiculous. If Apple did this to people jailbreaking iPhones, there would be an outcry.

TI OMAP3 has some pretty complicated bootloader checks. It's why the untethered JB took a while to come out...
 
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AMDZen

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I certainly hope this doesn't set a precedent on Verizon. At least for Moto, the word out seems they will be using this from now on. It seems Verizon might be the one pushing it as well meaning it will affect any Droid phone on their network.

I read on a forum from someone who works as an engineer for Verizon that the decision was made by upper management. They are worried that hackers will load custom OS's and bootloaders that will compromise their network.

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Here is something from Moto

http://community.developer.motorola...OMs-and-Motorola-s-Android-Handsets/ba-p/4224

At least Motorola is direct. Unlike someone else.

http://support.apple.com/kb/ht3743

Luckily nobody in the JB community cares what Apple thinks
 
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I certainly hope this doesn't set a precedent on Verizon. At least for Moto, the word out seems they will be using this from now on. It seems Verizon might be the one pushing it as well meaning it will affect any Droid phone on their network.

I read on a forum from someone who works as an engineer for Verizon that the decision was made by upper management. They are worried that hackers will load custom OS's and bootloaders that will compromise their network.

I think this becomes a bigger issue as tethering with Froyo is now an option. Carriers need to lock that feature out and tie it to the carrier pricing to activate such a feature...
 

tatteredpotato

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I think this becomes a bigger issue as tethering with Froyo is now an option. Carriers need to lock that feature out and tie it to the carrier pricing to activate such a feature...

If consumption-based billing does take hold like VZW says it will, then that point is moot. I still think that it's ridiculous that ATT charges extra for tethering on a consumption based scheme.