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IHAVEAQUESTION

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Originally posted by: Atomicus
Even worse is the fact that Primerica often holds regional "conferences" where they hand out "promotions" and have "successful" Primerica agents give the crowd a pep talk. And you know what? Promotions require a certain number of recruits! WTF is that?!

"It feels good to help other people and make money at the same time"
"Recruit and build a team" (yea, a slave network)
And the speakers always conclude with "See you at the top"

When my bro invited me to one of these conferences, I knew it was a b*llsh*t event just to raise morale and blind the sheep even further. Keith Otto seems to be the mastermind behind all of it. Once a pround plumber and Tae-Kwon-Do fighter, now a wealthy Primerican. Heck, if my bro gets rich from his method then more power to him. But its like making money off of sweatshop workers and encouraging the workers to find more people to work. Coporate slavery at its finest.

I heard ya! That's EXACTLY what happened during the conference; with a whole bunch of enthusiastic stupid f8ckers cheering on whatever the F the speaker says.
 

AreaCode707

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Originally posted by: Savarak
I heard a friend got a nice new job that would put them in position to being VP in 2 years, almost guarenteed... first as a representitive, then as a district manager, then regional manager, then regional vp... that perked my spidy-sense, so I went and did a little research on this company who gives such good oppurtunities to recent college grads with no concentration/experience at all in business, management, and financial matters. So I found this:

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff10157.htm

Gist of the link: Primerica scours all these resume/job sites and gives job offers to just about anyone who passes an background check...

The "to-be employee" must pay $199 for some sort of fee(I think they say its a background checking fee and new employee processing fee), AND take a multitude of training classes, all of which MUST be paid for out of the "to-be employee"s pocket.

I did once earlier ask if it was the company paying for the training required for the job(and its with the same company doing the teaching)... she said no, out of her pocket... but at that time I didn't pursue it further cuz I didn't really catch onto it as a MLM scam until now.

I feel so sorry for her.......

$199? I work at a company that hires apprx 16k people a year, and we pay something like $32 per background check. If Primerica wasn't a rip off any other way (which it certainly is) it would be from that.
 

CocoGdog

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Originally posted by: CrazyShiz
Originally posted by: Aflac
Originally posted by: Atomicus
My older brother does it full-time.... was 1 semester away from his Masters.

was?

:Q

So true, in order to complete your masters, you would either have to complete a thesis or project or take a comprehensive exam. Also, you have to maintain at least a B or A in all courses taken.
 

Daishiki

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Reading those rebuttals makes my head hurt :confused:

Sadly though, I've had friends burned by these things. Even worse, one of my friends is in it now, knowing well what happened to the others. One guy's money and Hummer had more worth than the no's of this closest friends.
 

DaWhim

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The day my sister was going to their first training course about selling insurance, the first question I asked was if that was primerica? she said yes and how did I know? It was just my sense and I told her that's a MLM scheme. Anyways, she didn't go there after what I said and requesting her money back. I haven't heard from her if she got the money back from them.
 

IHAVEAQUESTION

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Originally posted by: DaWhim
The day my sister was going to their first training course about selling insurance, the first question I asked was if that was primerica? she said yes and how did I know? It was just my sense and I told her that's a MLM scheme. Anyways, she didn't go there after what I said and requesting her money back. I haven't heard from her if she got the money back from them.

most likely she won't get her money back but i am impressed that you are able to talk her out of it.
 

jagec

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Originally posted by: xUCIxDaiSHi
Reading those rebuttals makes my head hurt :confused:

Sadly though, I've had friends burned by these things. Even worse, one of my friends is in it now, knowing well what happened to the others. One guy's money and Hummer had more worth than the no's of this closest friends.

I have to admit, I have trouble feeling sorry for people who bring these things on themselves, though.

They just remind me of drug addicts or obsessive gamblers.
 

BullyCanadian

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I have a friend in Primerica right now, he took me to a meeting to join (when he was joining) the first thing I did when I got home was google it and then bailed out (I knew something was wrong, when whever I asked questions they would brush them off, and how all they were talking about was how rich they were , or were going to be, without actually stating what the job does really) if its too good to be true it probably is. Man this guy is brain washed. Now Im starting a construction job (for whatever is left of the summer) and hes like hounding for not going to a "real" job he started this summer "primerica" I asked him how much money he has made with it in the last 3 months his reply: "$0, but I know someone who just made a $12,000 commission on his last sale" Im like, so far Ive made $80 (1 days works) and its more then hes made in 3 months. What a goon I shown him the countless website but theres no going through to him, his a cult and everyone is brainwashed.
 

DaWhim

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Originally posted by: IHAVEAQUESTION
Originally posted by: DaWhim
The day my sister was going to their first training course about selling insurance, the first question I asked was if that was primerica? she said yes and how did I know? It was just my sense and I told her that's a MLM scheme. Anyways, she didn't go there after what I said and requesting her money back. I haven't heard from her if she got the money back from them.

most likely she won't get her money back but i am impressed that you are able to talk her out of it.

Actually, I told her it was a scam and brief her on MLM. I wasn't surprise she would fall for a thing like this. Last time, she posted a desktop to sell on craiglist and almost shipped it to nigeria. :shocked: Thanks God she couldn't find a fedex that was open at that time.

oh...I will update you on the money part later when I get in touch with her.
 

manly

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Originally posted by: DainBramaged
Primerica is old news. People assume that because it's a citigroup company, it's cool. It's just MLM, though the guy who I knew that did it didn't have to pay for anything but his state licensing.
It's a Citigroup company?? :Q And how is this legal?
 

yhelothar

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Yup I've had two friends that just got out of high school trying to recruit me to Usana. My bro paid thousands into herbalife, and got nothing back.
I went to the orientation once before I learned about MLM companies. It's possible to make money in MLM. However, that requires endless spamming of ads and deceptive practices to lure unsuspecting people as your recruit - exactly how the recruiters do it.


 

SarcasticDwarf

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I got a call for something like this myself (this was aout two months ago). They asked if I was interested in working in the "financial sector" and said I was a good fit (one year from graduating with my Bachelors). After setting up the interview I find out it is a group interview (huge scam warning sign). Further details made me realize that there was no way the company was legit, so I never bothered to go.
 

Stuxnet

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Originally posted by: IHAVEAQUESTION
Yeah I have friends fell for the MLM scam as well. It's almost impossible to talk them out of it, I actually lost a friendship because of this. Once people see the opportunity to make easy money all their reasoning skills disappeared and won't recover until after the fact or never.

I DID lose a friend over it. When I was about 23, I ran into a good friend from high school and we started hanging out a bit. After a couple get togethers, I knew something strange was up because he kept telling about this AWESOME new job he had, but whenever I asked him for specific details (just trying to take an interest), he'd reply with something along the lines of "well, we'll get together formally and talk about it sometime...".

Well, one day he calls me up and asks me if my wife and I would like to come over for dinner. So we get there, and BAM! He runs through the whole MLM recruitment bit.

We walked out and I haven't spoken to him since.
 

gsellis

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Depends on where you work. If it is the sales end, all of the above apply and you are on hook for what you sell (if a customer cancels, the salesman is financially responsible for it as the payoff to the salesman is done as a loan). The product is ok, but there is much better on the market. The support org is hit or miss.

I know two employees. One dislikes it as the job was presented as a business analyst job and the corporate culture in the area sucks so bad that they are just a typist for a self-important VP that does not understand IT. And a hugely ridiculous culture that ICs cannot talk to management above them without going through the silos. Looking for a new job.

The other guy works in the video productions group and it is pretty cool. They have one of the biggest production sound stages of any corporation and do live broadcasts every day. They have linear and non-linear edit stations as well as audio editing stations. Satellite links for broadcast, etc.
 

archcommus

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One time at work a customer was highly impressed with my skills and was like "I could use someone like you, I need leaders," and he gave me his card which had Primerica written on it. I was like, hmm, sounds fishy, but then I saw it was a part of Citigroup so I figured it must be legit. I then talked to my supervisor, though, who informed me what it was all about.
 

Stuxnet

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It just amazes me how quickly people are willing to sacrifice valuable relationships (friends, family, professional) in order to try to rope people in to these scams.
 

zephyrprime

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Yeah, it's a scam. They promise you a job but they're actually just using you for contacts to sell their products to.
 

DrPizza

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It's amazing how quickly the people who fall for the scams get roped into the cult... from the moment they pay their $199, it's almost impossible to talk them out of it. A couple people we know do this... they tried to talk us into it... "Look at all the money you can make!" "uhh, we already make several times more than what you do a year." "Yeah, but you're working for someone else... this way, you'd be your own boss." - They ALWAYS have a response for anything. I suppose they're quickly trained to have those responses.
 

DaiShan

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I know a girl who has been working for that company for the past 4 years. Every single year she says "yep this year I'm in a position to make <insert obscene 6 figure salary here>" and every single year she ends up with less than 20k. Seems like a scam to me.
 

DougK62

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I like how so many of the rebuttals in the posted link are from people that list themselves as "owner". lol

 

IHAVEAQUESTION

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Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Yup I've had two friends that just got out of high school trying to recruit me to Usana. My bro paid thousands into herbalife, and got nothing back.
I went to the orientation once before I learned about MLM companies. It's possible to make money in MLM. However, that requires endless spamming of ads and deceptive practices to lure unsuspecting people as your recruit - exactly how the recruiters do it.

Oh no! Don't mention that name "Usana"...Oh no oh noooooooooooooooo!!!!

I have friends who fell for the exact same company, and they always defend themselve by saying "this is a public company, it can't be illegal". Well....it's not illegal, but it's a scam.
 

y2kc

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Originally posted by: IHAVEAQUESTION
Yeah I have friends fell for the MLM scam as well. It's almost impossible to talk them out of it, I actually lost a friendship because of this. Once people see the opportunity to make easy money all their reasoning skills disappeared and won't recover until after the fact or never.

I lost a wife.