:eek: Nokia sheds another 10k jobs!

[Insomniator]

Anyone thinking about gambling by buying some NOK? Even a jump to $5-6 range can make some decent dough.

Yup I bought it last week at $2.90, down to $2.30 now but I'll go down with the ship. I figure its either evaporating completely or going to have big gains eventually.

 

[DeviousTrap]

Yup I bought it last week at $2.90, down to $2.30 now but I'll go down with the ship. I figure its either evaporating completely or going to have big gains eventually.

I bought $3 Jan call options for 49 cents two weeks ago. Was up the last two weeks, but dropped into the 30s yesterday 🙁

I'm hoping for a bit of a jump towards the end of summer or so. The options pricing at 70+ cents isn't too unrealistic and would be a 40% gain for me.

 

[preslove]

No one besides Samsung and to an even smaller extent HTC has profited from Android. Not Motorola, Sony, or LG. Considering the juggernaut that Samsung is in the Android world, competing with them on the same OS is a recipe for disaster.

Also, Microsoft is giving Nokia financial support which Google would not have. And Microsoft probably would have forced Nokia to pay patent royalties to use Android.

This:

I don't think that there's any Android manufacturer that's losing money as fast as nokia at the moment.

+ If anyone could have seriously competed with Samsung for android dominance a few years ago, it would have been Nokia.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

And that is why they are diversifying. With Apple buying all these companies that design semiconductors, it would not surprise me if they asked someone else to make their processors.

Who are they going to ask? TSMC is the only other major fab for hire and they are already capacity limited on 28nm just making gpus and Krait. There is no way they could support the volume Apple needs on that process. There is also the fact that they tend to have serious issues with every new process which will only get worse as time goes on.

The only real way Apple could completely dump Samsung for processors at the moment is to start using Intel's Medfield SoC's.

 

[runawayprisoner]

Who are they going to ask? TSMC is the only other major fab for hire and they are already capacity limited on 28nm just making gpus and Krait. There is no way they could support the volume Apple needs on that process. There is also the fact that they tend to have serious issues with every new process which will only get worse as time goes on.

The only real way Apple could completely dump Samsung for processors at the moment is to start using Intel's Medfield SoC's.

Or if Hell freezes over and Intel lends Apple the fabs to make ARM SoCs...

I don't think Medfield is a viable solution for mobile computing yet. At least as far as Apple's specs go, ARM still has more performance to offer.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

Or if Hell freezes over and Intel lends Apple the fabs to make ARM SoCs...

I don't think Medfield is a viable solution for mobile computing yet. At least as far as Apple's specs go, ARM still has more performance to offer.

Helping Apple make better ARM chips wouldn't be in Intel's best interest.

Medfield does offer better cpu performance than A5 although it is lacking on the gpu front.

 

[lothar]

Or if Hell freezes over and Intel lends Apple the fabs to make ARM SoCs...

I don't think Medfield is a viable solution for mobile computing yet. At least as far as Apple's specs go, ARM still has more performance to offer.

Given that Intel's goal is for x86 to rule the world, not gonna happen.

 

[Munky]

Nokia had a promising development with Meego, it's too bad they dropped it in favor of WP7. As a Nokia user for the last few years, they had good products in terms of HW and SW, but it just wasn't what the masses wanted. The masses don't care if Nokia could do things that Apple won't invent until 2015, instead they want eye candy, an idiot-proof UI and downloadable toys.

With that said, they have made some good progress in the last few years with the Ovi store, a bunch of useful apps, and refreshed UI of Symbian Belle. The closest Android competition has come to offering what I like about Nokia phones is the Galaxy Nexus, but since it's got a relatively crappy camera, it wasn't tempting enough to make me switch.

 

[Sheep]

Anyone thinking about gambling by buying some NOK? Even a jump to $5-6 range can make some decent dough.

Some of us bought some NOK...back when it was $8 a share. :S

 

[Mopetar]

Helping Apple make better ARM chips wouldn't be in Intel's best interest.

Medfield does offer better cpu performance than A5 although it is lacking on the gpu front.

Apple's probably big enough where they could just build an SoC around an x86 core and have Intel manufacture it in addition to helping with the design and licensing them the IP.

If it gets the point where Apple is selling hundreds of millions of iOS devices every year, that's probably enough volume where they could negotiate a custom SoC from Intel.

 

[Mopetar]

Yup I bought it last week at $2.90, down to $2.30 now but I'll go down with the ship. I figure its either evaporating completely or going to have big gains eventually.

It'll probably continue to drop, right up until Microsoft decides to buy them. Their market cap is getting to the point where they'll be a fairly easy acquisition target, but the price needs to drop a bit so that when the price spike comes from the sale, everyone who bought in low is happy, and everyone else is just happy to salvage a little bit of their investment.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

Apple's probably big enough where they could just build an SoC around an x86 core and have Intel manufacture it in addition to helping with the design and licensing them the IP.

If it gets the point where Apple is selling hundreds of millions of iOS devices every year, that's probably enough volume where they could negotiate a custom SoC from Intel.

Apple doesn't bring anything useful to the table other than money. Intel already can license the same PowerVR gpus Apple uses and has far more talent then Apple when it comes to semiconductor design.

 

[runawayprisoner]

Apple doesn't bring anything useful to the table other than money. Intel already can license the same PowerVR gpus Apple uses and has far more talent then Apple when it comes to semiconductor design.

However, Intel has no talent at all to speak of when it comes to utilizing the PowerVR GPUs they manufacture. Except for Android, no platform in the entire world gets even decent performance out of those GPUs because Intel is too cheap to source proper drivers.

And Intel is still a business after all. If they get money, I suspect that's all that matters.

Still, like I said, it looks like Hell will freeze over before Intel decides to help Apple manufacture ARM SoCs. They are in no immediate financial desperation to take that card.

 

[Mopetar]

Apple doesn't bring anything useful to the table other than money.

Exactly what Intel wants. Unless they were going to barter for some iPods.

Intel already can license the same PowerVR gpus Apple uses and has far more talent then Apple when it comes to semiconductor design.

Intel already has the best semiconductor design, so there's not much anyone can offer them there. However Apple has about 30% of the smart phone market and over twice as much of the tablet market. That wouldn't be a bad contract to pick up. There aren't any other places where they can end up supplying 40% of the market with a single deal.