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Eeek... second thoughts about my school of choice

Jeff7181

Lifer
So I decided to go to school to get an education in computers and networking. Won't mention what school here, although if you were to search the forums I think I've mentioned it before. Anyway... I'm having second thoughts about it after my 3rd week. I have to admit, I didn't do as much homework on the school as I probably should have, but it's really falling short of my expectations so far.

The school has quite a few degree programs, but the IT related ones are the ones it's most notable for. They appear to have a pretty extensive network on campus and nice equipment, however, the performance of the network is abysmal. Logging into their domain to gain access to the computers in the lab takes 2 or 3 minutes sometimes. One of the courses I?m taking is online? 90% of the assignments are completed on a website. Last week I spent 30 minutes going through a lesson? pages taking 45 seconds to a full minute to load. I ended up basically saying screw this, went home, logged on to the website from home and reviewed the same lesson in 5 minutes. So that was red flag number one.

Red flag number two was in a basic computer class. Rather than testing out of the class I figured I?d take it to make sure there was nothing I?d be missing that would be important later on. The second day of class, we went over basic hardware, and the instructor pointed to an Intel slot 1 CPU (you know, the ones encased in the black cartridge) and called it an old DIP 386 CPU. I figured maybe he had a bad view of the screen and made a mistake as he went by it pretty fast. Later on he pointed to a BIOS chip and called it a CPU. So I had to point out that error and tell him that was the BIOS chip, and that the CPU wasn?t installed on the motherboard in the picture, but if it was, it would go in the larger black slot (slot 1) above the DIMM slots in the picture. Just last week he went off topic about Vista and told the class it was designed for 64-bit processors, so if you don?t have a 64-bit processor it won?t be of any use to you.

I also have a math class, and we do group activities in class, and homework at home. One of the group activities asked us to create an equation to solve a problem given to us in the book. I came up with the answer by trial and error, and asked the instructor to explain to me how to write the equation to get the answer, and he told me ?there really isn?t one? and said he used trial and error like I did. Then I came here and some nice members helped me write the equation that was asked for in the book. So there IS one, contrary to what he said.

I also got really excited about something they said we?d be learning about later on? network virtualization/virtual machines. They use Virtual PC 2004 to teach us with. The more and more I research these things, I see VMware VMware VMware. Nowhere can I find anybody using Virtual PC 2004 or Virtual Server 2005 in a professional environment. Now? VMware Workstation costs significantly more than Virtual PC 2004? but my tuition is $20,000 per year. I think they should be using the best of the best for what we students are paying them.

All of these bad experiences leave me questioning the quality of the education I?m going to be getting. I realize network performance can be effected by a lot of things (stupid staff streaming video or audio), so I won?t hold that against them. Using Virtual PC 2004 instead of VMware? ok. I can live with that? they appear to have some sort of deal with Microsoft? everyone got Office 2003 Professional on the first day with our books. The teacher not being able to identify a slot 1 CPU socket or the difference between a BIOS chip and CPU? hmmm? maybe he?s not the most qualified body in the building, but he?s giving flat out WRONG information. Vista being for 64-bit CPU?s and not of any use to those still using 32-bit CPU?s? hmmm. The math teacher telling me there?s no equation to solve a problem and to use trial and error? hmmm.

So now I think I?m going to talk to my recruiter/representative again and see if I can sit in on one of the more advanced classes like a networking class or Linux/Unix class and see what that?s like. I?m considering the possibility that I may drop out and look elsewhere for an education but I'm not sure how long I should stick it out before I decide it's not worth my time or money.


Cliffs: Technology school not living up to expectations. Instructors don't appear to know what they're teaching all that well. A school that focuses on IT and networking has poor network performance. They teach virtualization with Virtual PC 2004 rather than VMware, which seems to be what's used more "in the field." I'm considering dropping out and seeking a better education elsewhere.
 
Jesus, this is what we pay 20k a semester for? So that teachers can tell you a BIOS chip is a Central Processing Unit? Just imagine the students who came over seas for a first class education and go back to their country just to bankrupt their economy.
 
Let me ask you this:

Is it one of those school's that you see advertised on TV?

If yes, see if you can't get a refund for classes so far. I saw from another thread that it's been awhile since you were in HS, and that you may be a little rusty with schoolwork. Try to enroll into your local community college. Community colleges are AWESOME for getting back into the swing of things, or even to save money for when you move on to complete you Bacherlor's Degree. I got to a very highly rated public Univ. right now (University of Maryland). I went to the UNiv. for the 1st year, and CC the 2nd year. If I could've done it over again, I would've done Community College for the first two years and then came ot the Uni.
 
Yes it is, "one of those schools." It's right down the street from me, I figured it would be convenient and a good step forward. I see all these job listing that want a bachelor's degree in SOMETHING... and this school doesn't offer a bachelor's degree program for the field I'm looking to get into... only associates.

Community college is basically what I'm considering as an alternative. This is the 2nd tech school I've attend and I was hoping the first one was just a bad school... but I'm getting the feeling tech schools in general are just bad.
 
Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Yes it is, "one of those schools." It's right down the street from me, I figured it would be convenient and a good step forward. I see all these job listing that want a bachelor's degree in SOMETHING... and this school doesn't offer a bachelor's degree program for the field I'm looking to get into... only associates.

Community college is basically what I'm considering as an alternative. This is the 2nd tech school I've attend and I was hoping the first one was just a bad school... but I'm getting the feeling tech schools in general are just bad.

I'm telling you, people don't give community colleges a fair chance. They're extremely cheap, and there's an extremely good chance that their credits transfer to one of your 4-year local universities.

Set up an appointment with someone at a local CC and get some more information.
 
Originally posted by: Jeff7181
... but I'm getting the feeling tech schools in general are just bad.

I attended Chubb Institute of technology. Didn't really do me much good. I mean...who here knows Chubb? (it's right next store to devry). Yes, I got educated in Web Design by an a insurance company.

And yes community college is a very good alternative. My local CC transfers (GPA over 2.0 - 2.5) to 8 local very well known schools.
 
Devry, ITT Tech, Phoenix, or any other similar schools are a waste of money and time. I can't imagine any decent recruiters would go to one of those schools for hiring.
 
Originally posted by: thepd7
20k a year? Its less than that at UTD where you can get a great engr or cs degree.

It's waaaaay less than that at UTD. UTD is like the cheapest UT school AFAIK. But :thumbsup: for their CS program.
 
Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
What may I ask is prohibiting you from attending a decent 4-year college, I can see money is not an issue for you.

That's what I'm considering now. Actually... community college for a couple years, then transfer to a University like someone suggested.

I'm going to talk to the dean this week and see what he has to say about my concerns and go from there.
 
Oh, and Jeff, for relative costs:

You're paying $20,000 a year right now, correct?

Community College only cost me $3400 for a single year. So there's a huge price difference, and that money can go to a good school you want to attend later on.
 
Originally posted by: BigJ
Oh, and Jeff, for relative costs:

You're paying $20,000 a year right now, correct?

Community College only cost me $3400 for a single year. So there's a huge price difference, and that money can go to a good school you want to attend later on.

Or books/classes for CCNA/MSCE certs.
 
Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Originally posted by: BigJ
Oh, and Jeff, for relative costs:

You're paying $20,000 a year right now, correct?

Community College only cost me $3400 for a single year. So there's a huge price difference, and that money can go to a good school you want to attend later on.

Or books/classes for CCNA/MSCE certs.

:thumbsup:

Heck, even if you go through the bootcamps for those certs (which I don't recommend, but they're the fastest ways to actually obtain the certs), they're not more than $1,000-$1,500 a pop. Which would still leave you with over $13,000 left for tuition at a 4 year Uni.
 
You paid $20k a year to go to one of those tech schools on TV. There is your big flag. Go to a CC for two years. You wont regret it.
 
Thanks for the opinions, everyone. I was real excited about this school and the possibilities... I should've researched it better before enrolling I guess. Good thing I've only been there for a few weeks and not a full year yet.
 
Most important thing is this...

Look up the accreditation of your school. Link.

Middle States Association of Colleges and Schools
New England Association of Schools and Colleges
North Central Association of Colleges and Schools
Northwest Association of Schools and Colleges
Western Association of Schools and Colleges
Southern Association of Colleges and Schools

If it is one of the above (regional accreditation), your credits will transfer to almost any University. It's up to you if you want to stay, but you won't be wasting your time if you do. You could use the degree to apply to Harvard Law, and if your GPA and LSAT were good enough, you'd get in.

If it shows up in the CHEA search, but is NOT one of the above, be very careful (national accreditation). The credits will transfer to a limited number of Universities. Probably around 10%.

If it doesn't show up at all, run away right now! Your credits will not transfer anywhere, period.

Some examples of technical schools:
DeVry - Regional
Phoenix - Regional
ITT - National
Almost any other school on TV - National, or none.
 
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