Education Fail

[iRONic]

Vdub what are you doing??!

 

[Rakehellion]

Don't try to turn it around you dug your own grave with your comments about your kids being middle class and not going to school in some ghetto in the middle of Compton. Seemingly, they are too good to be reading about Tupac in some article. They'd better be reading Mark Twain like Middle class, non-ghetto schoolkids do.

What was all that hoopla for?

Wasn't it better back in the day when people didn't have to conceal their racism?

 

[Vdubchaos]

Seemingly, they are too good to be reading about Tupac in some article.

I never said that though.

Vdub what are you doing??!

I tend to feed the trolls from time to time. Kind of like what I'm doing right now.

 

[Rakehellion]

I tend to feed the trolls from time to time. Kind of like what I'm doing right now.

I'm racist. (lol, jk)

Nice backtrack.

 

[SheHateMe]

I never said that though.

You sure are acting like it in your OP. You came off as arrogant. Throwing in that you used to listen to rap in your younger, rebel white boy years was unnecessary too.


Its kind of like saying "see...I don't hate Tupac, I used to like rap back in the day"


And I get it, you want your kids to be doing something in school that you deem more productive... I get that, dude but going off on a rant about them not living in the ghetto and this and that is too much extra. What is this supposed to mean? I went to Elementary and Middle in the "ghetto" and we weren't learning about rappers, we read Mark Twain, too. We learned stuff, too....what does Tupac being talked about in your kid's class have to do with whether or not they go to school in the ghetto?


I can't really say much about your comment about being a little bit racist.

I just hope that hole you dug for yourself isn't the sinking type.

 

[unokitty]

Don't try to turn it around you dug your own grave with your comments about your kids being middle class and not going to school in some ghetto in the middle of Compton. Seemingly, they are too good to be reading about Tupac in some article. They'd better be reading Mark Twain like Middle class, non-ghetto schoolkids do.

What was all that hoopla for?

In your mind, Tupac has made a greater contribution to English Literature than Mark Twain?

Best of luck with that,
Uno

 

[Vdubchaos]

You sure are acting like it in your OP. You came off as arrogant. Throwing in that you used to listen to rap in your younger, rebel white boy years was unnecessary too./QUOTE]

Just because YOU think I'm "acting" like it or "came off"....doesn't mean that's actually true.

I still listen to hip hop.....just not in front of the kids.

Its kind of like saying "see...I don't hate Tupac, I used to like rap back in the day"


And I get it, you want your kids to be doing something in school that you deem more productive... I get that, dude but going off on a rant about them not living in the ghetto and this and that is too much extra. What is this supposed to mean? I went to Elementary and Middle in the "ghetto" and we weren't learning about rappers, we read Mark Twain, too. We learned stuff, too....what does Tupac being talked about in your kid's class have to do with whether or not they go to school in the ghetto?

Well, if I didn't add it.....I would've ended up with "Move out of the ghetto/shitty area you poor asshole" types of responses.



That's why.

I can't really say much about your comment about being a little bit racist.

I just hope that hole you dug for yourself isn't the sinking type.

I think people are taking things to extreme here. I can't control that and it happens quite often. Nothing new.

In your mind, Tupac has made a greater contribution to English Literature than Mark Twain?

Best of luck with that,
Uno

ROTF

 

[Rakehellion]

In your mind, Tupac has made a greater contribution to English Literature than Mark Twain?

Best of luck with that,
Uno

As long as he isn't Dark Twain, amirite?

 

[SheHateMe]

In your mind, Tupac has made a greater contribution to English Literature than Mark Twain?

Best of luck with that,
Uno

Is that what I said?



Nope.

 

[iRONic]

In your mind, Tupac has made a greater contribution to English Literature than Mark Twain?

Best of luck with that,
Uno

Whoosh!

 

[CountZero]

I'm 34 and we used to have these in my school I think. Not Tupac obviously but similar stuff. There were these little magazine like books with four or so articles inside and then quizzes to go with each. It wasn't about teaching the material in the book it was about reading comprehension. So the quiz would ask about facts given (birthdate, # of albums made, # of albums that went platinum), more general info the article implied (can't think of a Tupac one but things like trends in pollution or something like that), or just facts that can be deduced (# of albums that didn't go platinum).

It seems like a good idea if done well as it is teaching critical reading skills not just skimming.

Of course if they are teaching Tupac I find that a bit weird unless it is part of some pop music history thing.

 

[Vdubchaos]

Is that what I said?



Nope.

We can play your game though.

"You are certainly acting like it"



see how that works?

 

[Vdubchaos]

Of course if they are teaching Tupac I find that a bit weird unless it is part of some pop music history thing.

Well, reading an article about ANYTHING would automatically equal "teaching" kids about it (to an extent of course).

Subject matter is not ignored/irrelevant.....especially in kids eyes. Heck I would be willing to say it's what teens/kids actually pay attention too more than the end goal of "reading comprehension etc"

 

[SheHateMe]

We can play your game though.

"You are certainly acting like it"



see how that works?

Yea, except for the fact that I never acted like Tupac was a better writer than Mark Twain. I expressed that I don't have a problem with him being the focus of a lesson. Whatever it may be.


You on the other hand acted like your kids were too good to read about a Rapper because they are Middle class and don't live in the ghetto. You also seemed to be upset that they weren't reading Mark Twain or something less ghetto instead.


See the difference?

 

[Vdubchaos]

Yea, except for the fact that I never acted like Tupac was a better writer than Mark Twain. I expressed that I don't have a problem with him being the focus of the lesson.

I don't either, whatever. I still think it's funny and "English class fail".

You on the other hand acted like your kids were too good to read about a Rapper because they are Middle class and don't live in the ghetto.


See the difference?

That's the idea you decided to enter your brain and an assumption YOU decided to make.

No I don't see the difference.

I've taught my daughter about rap/hip hop long before she even attended middle school.....so don't be so fast to assume.

If anything, I feel that YOU are more racist for making these racist assumptions about me.

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[SheHateMe]

Rant
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Tupac? Really? How about Mark Twain or some thing....jesus

Rant
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PS. we live in a middle class town. So it's not like we are in Compton LA or Bronx NY right in the middle of the ghetto. Most of the kids in the school she attends is white.

*save face*
Before anyone jumps on the racial band wagon. My opinion would be no different if they were teaching her about Eminem in the English class.

Yes, its true. All of us are more racist than you because we made sure to rub our eyes a few times to be sure you actually typed this statement in your OP.

 

[purbeast0]

^^ i don't think i've ever seen you take part in a thread and not have at least 1 post in the thread that has to do with racism.

 

[unokitty]

"Ethnocentric attitudes are commonplace, a logical consequence of mankind’s innately tribal nature.

Everyone is self-interested and, insofar as he has any actual thought about race, is chiefly concerned about whether anything might affect the mental category of People Like Me.

Obviously, race is not the only such category. We might mentally categorize ourselves in any number of ways: Male, female, old, young, urban, rural, Crimson Tide fans, et cetera.

Man’s innate tribalism persists, but in a media-saturated consumer society one notices that there are many people who classify themselves by what they buy and what they watch on TV.

You see this especially among young people, where high school cliques are sometimes defined by certain fashionable clothing brands. But high schoolers denominate themselves by all kinds of crazy classifications that make no sense to sane adults, and which honestly never made sense to me even when I was a teenage dopehead. (“Teenage dopehead” being a rather large fraternity in the ’70s.)

One category which young people are avidly encouraged to join nowadays is Not a Racist.

Membership in the Not a Racist Club is exclusive to white kids, because the same mentality that castigates whites as racist is also constantly telling non-white kids that the most important thing about them is their race. The result is that while the minority kids get their heads crammed full of ethnic chauvinism, white kids are taught — often quite explicitly — that being white is a source of shame.

Such indoctrination produces effects consistent with Newton’s Third Law of Motion: Every teaching has an equal and opposite reaction. One occasionally encounters white people who have so entirely internalized ther anti-racism lessons that they run around all the time pointing fingers at other white people, yelling, “RAAAAACIST!”"

From
Just in Case New York Times Readers Don’t Feel Enough White Guilt Yet …

Uno

 

[SphinxnihpS]

I think there is a little overreacting going on in here. Pretty common.

 

[gorcorps]

"self ownage of the year"

I just wanted to put that term here so when December rolls around I can search for my nominations easily

carry on

 

[SheHateMe]

^^ i don't think i've ever seen you take part in a thread and not have at least 1 post in the thread that has to do with racism.

Funny, because it wasn't even me that accused him of being a racist.


Carry on.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Funny, because it wasn't even me that accused him of being a racist.


Carry on.

Yeah but you showed up and then posted about 15% of the posts in here. The observation is not without merit at any rate.

 

[SheHateMe]

Yeah but you showed up and then posted about 15% of the posts in here. The observation is not without merit at any rate.

And what percentage of those posts were about the OP being racist?

Once again, I was not the poster(s) that accused the OP of being racist straight from the gate.

Merely posting here means I participate in the forum. Excuse the hell out of me.

 

[purbeast0]

Funny, because it wasn't even me that accused him of being a racist.


Carry on.

why is that funny? i never said you accused him of being racist.

 

[TheFamilyMan]

Tupac actually had some good poetry.

Such a shame that you think it is beneath your lilly white children in their safe, middle class neighborhood that isn't in the middle of some ghetto in Compton LA or Bronx NY, to learn about a Rapper that was actually an intelligent guy and liked to write poetry in his spare time.

And, I'd much rather have my kids reading Maya Angelou than Mark Twain. So funny that Maya was criticized for her grammatical choices in some of her poems and writings, but Mark Twain can write like a kindergartner at times and he's a literary genius.

Hate to burst your bubble, but intelligent guys that like to write poetry in their spare time do not feel the need to glamorize and try to live the "thug lyfe" on a millionaire's budget...

He was indeed talented, but intelligent he was not.

Also, why wouldn't you have your kids read both Maya Angelou *AND* Mark Twain? Now you sound like quite the racist. By the way...last time I checked, both Maya and Twain were considered literary geniuses by most credible and authoritative literary bodies.