Educated conservatives don't believe in science

[Stayfr0sty]

Why do you still think this discussion is about the definition of ethics? Is it because you want to avoid the actual topic of discussion?

Problem with religious zealots is that they suffer from a delusion that in order to be ethical you have to be religious.....

 

[cybrsage]

Problem with religious zealots is that they suffer from a delusion that in order to be ethical you have to be religious.....

You are probably right, but they would be just as wrong as dank69.

 

[cybrsage]

So, having read "the Word", if your interpretation commands you to kill for Jesus, it'll be OK, just like it was a few hundred years ago.

Jesus never said to kill, so it would be an obvious perversion. You actually have to quote the scripture which commands killing in order for killing to be permissable.

 

[cybrsage]

Why do you still think this discussion is about the definition of ethics? Is it because you want to avoid the actual topic of discussion?

You keep trying to shift the topic to pretend you were not wrong, and I keep preventing you from doing it.

You are wrong about ethics. Admit it and the topic can then shift to whatever it is you wish. You will not successfully shift the topic so you can then pretend you were never wrong, though. Not going to happen. Bug you, I know, but that is how it is.

 

[irishScott]

Oh look another dmCowen butthurt-about-conservatives thread.

 

[dank69]

You keep trying to shift the topic to pretend you were not wrong, and I keep preventing you from doing it.

You are wrong about ethics. Admit it and the topic can then shift to whatever it is you wish. You will not successfully shift the topic so you can then pretend you were never wrong, though. Not going to happen. Bug you, I know, but that is how it is.

Actually, I rephrased to point out to you that there are different standards of ethics. But fine, you want to harp on your incorrect point? Then let's go.

In your opinion, is it ethical for a doctor to perform an abortion in accordance with the law?

 

[cybrsage]

Actually, I rephrased to point out to you that there are different standards of ethics. But fine, you want to harp on your incorrect point? Then let's go.

In your opinion, is it ethical for a doctor to perform an abortion in accordance with the law?

So you now agree that religious ethics exist? You also now agree that ethics simply are, that there are no good or bad ethics and that your ethics are no better or worse than anyone else's ethics?

Once we finish the current topic, we can shift it. I am still preventing you from shifting it until we finish with the topic we have been discussing.

 

[dank69]

So you now agree that religious ethics exist? You also now agree that ethics simply are, that there are no good or bad ethics and that your ethics are no better or worse than anyone else's ethics?

Once we finish the current topic, we can shift it. I am still preventing you from shifting it until we finish with the topic we have been discussing.

I never said otherwise. When I said 'There is nothing ethical about most religion, period.' and 'There is nothing ethical about acting good because you fear punishment if you do not.' I was clearly talking about my standard of ethics. Even if it wasn't clear to you because you are so slow and stubborn, I clarified that for you when I rephrased.

So, can you stop trying to prove what I didn't say was wrong and move on to the actual point?

 

[cybrsage]

I never said otherwise. When I said 'There is nothing ethical about most religion, period.' and 'There is nothing ethical about acting good because you fear punishment if you do not.' I was clearly talking about my standard of ethics. Even if it wasn't clear to you because you are so slow and stubborn, I clarified that for you when I rephrased.

So, can you stop trying to prove what I didn't say was wrong and move on to the actual point?

You are still trying to claim that religion is not ethical. By the very definitions of the words, as posted previously, religion IS ethical. Also, if your system of morality involves fear of punishment as a method for acting morally, then it is ethical as well. Again, by the very definition of the words.

You have also said that your ethics are better than other ethics. There are no better or worse ethics, ethics simply are.

Until you admit these easy shown facts, we cannot move forward. When you stauchily stay mired in falsehoods, which you will then use as the basis of your future arguments, no further discussion can take place.

 

[dank69]

You are still trying to claim that religion is not ethical. By the very definitions of the words, as posted previously, religion IS ethical. Also, if your system of morality involves fear of punishment as a method for acting morally, then it is ethical as well. Again, by the very definition of the words.

Hello? I said this way, way back:

Let me rephrase then. It may conform to your pathetic standard of ethics, but it does not meet my, far superior, standard of ethics. When you are finished wallowing in mediocrity with the rest of the pathetic, selfish and ignorant swine, feel free to elevate yourself to a higher level with the rest of us that don't need a baby blanket to help us sleep at night.

That is the clarification that I never meant that it didn't meet the criteria to be called ethics and was merely saying that it didn't meet my standard of ethics. So your statement that I am 'still trying to claim that religion is not ethical.' is wrong. It is a flat out lie, which is nothing new for you. For a religious person you are awfully dishonest. I don't think your god will approve.

You have also said that your ethics are better than other ethics. There are no better or worse ethics, ethics simply are.

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Wrong.

 

[cybrsage]

Hello? I said this way, way back:
That is the clarification that I never meant that it didn't meet the criteria to be called ethics and was merely saying that it didn't meet my standard of ethics. So your statement that I am 'still trying to claim that religion is not ethical.' is wrong. It is a flat out lie, which is nothing new for you. For a religious person you are awfully dishonest. I don't think your god will approve.

Wrong.

You quoted yourself saying this:

"It may conform to your pathetic standard of ethics, but it does not meet my, far superior, standard of ethics."

as your proof for saying I am wrong for saying this:

"You have also said that your ethics are better than other ethics. There are no better or worse ethics, ethics simply are"


Most people do not quote themselves doing exactly what I claimed they did as proof they did not it...but you are not like most people, are you?

The only standard for something being ethics is that it meets the definition of the word. You desire for the meaning of words to be irrelevant is noted and dismissed.

 

[dank69]

You quoted yourself saying this:

"It may conform to your pathetic standard of ethics, but it does not meet my, far superior, standard of ethics."

as your proof for saying I am wrong for saying this:

"You have also said that your ethics are better than other ethics. There are no better or worse ethics, ethics simply are"


Most people do not quote themselves doing exactly what I claimed they did as proof they did not it...but you are not like most people, are you?

The only standard for something being ethics is that it meets the definition of the word. You desire for the meaning of words to be irrelevant is noted and dismissed.

Oh no you don't. You aren't switching topics on me until you admit that you were wrong when you said:

You are still trying to claim that religion is not ethical.
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Be very specific about whether is was simply that you missed the line where I said 'It may conform to your pathetic standard of ethics' or if it was because you have trouble understanding my posts.

 

[Ketchup]

Ethis, as defined by dictionary.com, are

1. a system of moral principles: the ethics of a culture.
2.the rules of conduct recognized in respect to a particular class of human actions or a particular group, culture, etc.: medical ethics; Christian ethics.
3. moral principles, as of an individual: His ethics forbade betrayal of a confidence.
4. ( usually used with a singular verb ) that branch of philosophy dealing with values relating to human conduct, with respect to the rightness and wrongness of certain actions and to the goodness and badness of the motives and ends of such actions.

And I believe this is a good definition. It implies that different people have different ethics, there is no one set standard. I, for example, believe abortion is murder. Other people will disagree with that stance, but not consider that against their own ethical standard.

The Bible, for example, contains what many Christians would call their standard of ethics. Other religions have different standards.

My point is Ethics are only a standard for the person defining them. The Bible, to continue my example, is a set standard, whether or not I had chosen to believe it.

 

[Stayfr0sty]

Btw, now that I realize it by the title of this thread.
Since when are there "educated" conservatives?

 

[cybrsage]

Btw, now that I realize it by the title of this thread.
Since when are there "educated" conservatives?

There are not any at the gulag where you are kept. That is why you do not know about the vast number of educated conservatives.

You never did answer, when did they start providing Internet access at gulags?