Edmunds Test: 2007 Ford Shelby GT500 Convertible

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This is the perfect car for anyone who thinks automotive styling peaked in 1968. With 500 supercharged horsepower aboard, the 2007 Ford Shelby GT500 convertible is also perfect for anyone who wants to obliterate rear tires instantly.

This is the cheapest 500-hp convertible on the market, but it's not just a ragtop. The Shelby GT500 is actually ragged. This is a car that doesn't hide its compromises. And it doesn't perform exactly like a Shelby GT500 coupe with the roof hacked off.

Looks Mean, Is Mean
Ford calls the GT500's front-end design "sinister." But the nose is way too blatant and aggressive for that. It just looks mean.

Mean isn't a bad thing. In fact, the original 1967 Shelby GT500 looked mean enough to scare Nurse Ratched.

As with the original, the new GT500 has a mouth big enough to ingest other cars whole. The hood bulges like a UFC fighter's bicep and the thick rear spoiler looks tough enough to scrape aircraft out of the sky.

Throw in 18-inch wheels with 255/45ZR18 front and chunky 285/40ZR18 rear Goodyear Eagle F1 tires, a bunch of snake badges and those stripes down along the rocker panels and the whole assembly looks like it could have been designed in, well, 1967.

Turn the key and it backs those looks up with great sounds and sensations. The 5.4-liter DOHC 32-valve engine growls with just enough supercharger whine to let everyone know naturally aspirated engines are for wimps.

The exhaust isn't loud (there are noise regulations, after all), but has a deep resonance with a touch of menace. And when you rev the engine, the whole car seems to torque over on its suspension. There aren't many cars so mean just standing still.

The problems start when the car moves.

500-Horsepower Engine
Built around an iron block and Roots-type lobed-rotor supercharger making 8.5 pounds of boost, the GT500's engine isn't a clone of the late great Ford GT's. The two-seater's engine, for instance, uses an aluminum block, a Lysholm-style screw-type compressor whomping out 12.5 pounds of boost and runs a dry-sump oiling system.

Yes, the GT500's engine swipes its aluminum cylinder heads, piston rings and bearings from the GT and they share 90.2mm cylinder bores and a 105.8mm crank stroke, but the differences are significant enough that the engines drive differently.

First of all, the 2005 Ford GT's engine made more power. It was rated at 550 hp at 6,500 rpm and 500 pound-feet of peak torque at 3,750 rpm, while the GT500's power plant comes in at 500 hp at 6,000 rpm and 480 lb-ft at 4,500 rpm (with a scant 6,250-rpm redline). The GT's engine also revs more eagerly and pulls harder over a greater operating range.

It boils down to the GT's engine feeling like it belongs in a 21st-century supercar, while the GT500's engine ? by far the most powerful engine Ford has ever stuffed into any production Mustang ? has the grunt of a classic muscle car. And the shorthand of calling the GT500 "a Mustang with the GT engine" just isn't accurate.

Getting It to the Road
And 500 is a lot of horsepower. So Ford backs the GT500's engine with the Tremec TR6060 six-speed manual transmission feeding back to a 3.31:1 gearset in the solid rear axle.

With the Tremec in 1st, slamming open the GT500's throttle will overwhelm the rear tires even if the standard traction control is turned on. Too much faith in the traction control can be dangerous. Keep the accelerator pedal planted and heave the reluctant transmission into 2nd, and the rear tires will spin again before the car's electric mind catches up. In 3rd it feels as if the GT500's tail has been head-butted by a 747 at takeoff speed.

It's no surprise that the heavier GT500 convertible's 4.7-second blast to 60 mph and 13.1-second run through the quarter-mile at 109 mph (traction control off) are behind that of the GT500 coupe (which hit 60 in 4.6 seconds and ran the quarter in 12.6 seconds at 112 mph), but it's still seriously quick.

But even in a straight line, the limitations of the car's chassis are apparent.

300-Horsepower Chassis
Under hard acceleration, the GT500 convertible feels like there's a hinge in it running from the right front to the left rear tire ? it tends to squirrel around as the rear Goodyears hunt for traction. The car never feels fully planted like, say, a Corvette or any BMW. And it's a sensation that isn't apparent in the less powerful, less aggressively shod 300-hp Mustang GT convertible.

On a road course, the GT500 convertible is a mess. No two tires seem to be able to agree on what direction the car is headed.

That big iron lump under the hood means that 56.2 percent of the car's weight is teetering on the front wheels. Dive into a corner, hit the effective Brembo 14-inch front disc brakes (it stops from 60 mph in just 120 feet) and the GT500 wants to dig a burrow in the pavement deep enough to plant potatoes.

Counter that understeer with throttle and the Shelby's tail swings out wickedly. One of the test-drivers termed this behavior "pushy loose," and that's as close as anyone has come to describing it.

It's Not All Bad
And yet the GT500 slammed through the slalom at 69.2 mph and stuck on the skid pad at 0.89g. This is one of those cars that's better at tests than it is in the real world.

The GT500 coupe is hardly a great-handling track machine, but it has a tossability and catchability that's missing from the flexing convertible. Both coupe and convertible are softly sprung ? too softly sprung, really ? in what seems to be an attempt to ensure on-road comfort in a car with a rudimentary MacPherson strut front and coil sprung solid axle rear suspension system.

In the convertible, however, that softness is exacerbated by the springiness of the chassis itself. And the result is a rear tuned for a porpoise, and a front end set up for a whale. Ford should restrict itself to one marine mammal per car.

And the war between this Mustang's engine and chassis continues on the street. This may be the only production car around that's actually more composed doing donuts in a high school parking lot than it is commuting on the freeway. It's a relatively heavy and numb-feeling chassis that doesn't deliver the delights to be found in less powerful Mustangs.

Bunker Mentality
Top up, there's a bunkerlike feeling inside the GT500 convertible; the glass rear window is small and the black top darkens the entire interior. But get past that slightly claustrophobic feel and the well-bolstered front seats, easily read instrumentation and logical controls are all well appreciated.

Top down, the GT500's cockpit is as hospitable as those of other convertible Mustangs, with well-controlled wind intrusion and a rear seat better used as a parcel shelf than as a place for humans to sit.

But in the sunlight, the cheapness of many materials used throughout the interior is apparent. That's no big problem in a V6 Mustang convertible rented during a trip to Disney World, but a huge issue if you've financed a $50,000 GT500 for five years.

40 Years Later: Same Name, Same Story
Forget the insane prices they've been attracting at Barrett-Jackson; the original Shelby GT500s from '67 and '68 are among the most overrated muscle cars of all time. They were Mustangs with oversize (not particularly powerful) cop car engines and half-baked suspension tuning covered in aggressive decoration.

Heck, by '68 Carroll Shelby himself was only peripherally involved, as actual production had been turned over to Ford. They are not the delightful cars the original '65 and '66 GT350s are.

The new Ford-built, Ford-designed GT500 convertible is the same way. It's hugely powerful, but it's a porker that lacks, ironically, the suspension subtlety of the more satisfying, though less powerful, Shelby GT. Even the regular, far less expensive Mustang GT convertible is more rewarding to drive than the GT500.

Looking like it's 1968 is one thing. Driving like it's 1968 is something else altogether. Finally, here's a 500-hp car that's hard to like.

Wow... This has got to be the slowest 500hp car...

For example: An M3 7 years ago posted better performance numbers with 170hp/250tq less, better quality, etc. for nearly the same price (7 years of inflation=~$6000)...

Who in their right mind would buy this car? :confused: If it is anything like the GT500, they sure as hell won't get it at MSRP...
 

ayabe

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This is the best line:

Ford should restrict itself to one marine mammal per car.

LOL

I would never buy a convertible, especially a performance convertible. They are just a crappy imitation of the hardtop pretty much across the board.

Aside from cars that are specifically designed to be a convertible, like an S2000 or a Boxster.

 

mwmorph

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Originally posted by: mariok2006
Wow... This has got to be the slowest 500hp car...

For example: An M3 7 years ago posted better performance numbers with 170hp/250tq less, better quality, etc. for nearly the same price (7 years of inflation=~$6000)...

Who in their right mind would buy this car? :confused: If it is anything like the GT500, they sure as hell won't get it at MSRP...

The E46M3 did 0-60 in 4.8/13.5 on a good day. Edmunds always has slower accel numbers because of different testing methods so 4.7/13.1 isn't slower, just slow for the power rating which is not surprising for it's 2 ton weight.

As for slalom, 69.x is very good, the M3 only achieved 68. Terminal grip is low since it is so porky, but the slalom speed is puzzlingly impressive for the low grip generated.

Not a big fan overall, WAY too heavy for what is not essentially a big car(There's some suvs and vans that weigh less, I have a 2000 Mazda MPV that weights almost 400lbs less), but it's false to say a E46 M3 gets better test numbers.
 

Arkaign

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Too bad Ford won't make a CSL version of this ;)

It would be great with a stiffer chassis, IRS, and lower weight.
 

Azelrok

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Who would buy this car?

Prolly the car collector. I think it was forbes magazine (forget which one) but they said the shelby gt500 is one of the only few cars produced in 2007 that will actually appreciate in value. You can take alot of cars to the track and brag about numbers, but very very few will actually hold their value, let alone allow ya to make some cash.

Besides, any person who just looks at horsepower numbers is a complete idiot.

All that matters is horsepower to weight ratio.

Although, it has been stated modified gt500 (coupes) have gone 10 second 1/4 miles with bolt ons, so its a goodcar for people who mod.
 

overst33r

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Originally posted by: mwmorph
Originally posted by: mariok2006
Wow... This has got to be the slowest 500hp car...

For example: An M3 7 years ago posted better performance numbers with 170hp/250tq less, better quality, etc. for nearly the same price (7 years of inflation=~$6000)...

Who in their right mind would buy this car? :confused: If it is anything like the GT500, they sure as hell won't get it at MSRP...

The E46M3 did 0-60 in 4.8/13.5 on a good day. Edmunds always has slower accel numbers because of different testing methods so 4.7/13.1 isn't slower, just slow for the power rating which is not surprising for it's 2 ton weight.

As for slalom, 69.x is very good, the M3 only achieved 68. Terminal grip is low since it is so porky, but the slalom speed is puzzlingly impressive for the low grip generated.

Not a big fan overall, WAY too heavy for what is not essentially a big car(There's some suvs and vans that weigh less, I have a 2000 Mazda MPV that weights almost 400lbs less), but it's false to say a E46 M3 gets better test numbers.

I had C&Ds test data in mind, I should have checked Edmunds data first... but either way, the GT500 is a slow car given its power to weight ratio.
 

overst33r

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Originally posted by: Azelrok
Who would buy this car?

Prolly the car collector. I think it was forbes magazine (forget which one) but they said the shelby gt500 is one of the only few cars produced in 2007 that will actually appreciate in value. You can take alot of cars to the track and brag about numbers, but very very few will actually hold their value, let alone allow ya to make some cash.

Besides, any person who just looks at horsepower numbers is a complete idiot.

All that matters is horsepower to weight ratio.

Although, it has been stated modified gt500 (coupes) have gone 10 second 1/4 miles with bolt ons, so its a goodcar for people who mod.

No doubt. Evolution Performance did a great job on theirs. That collector that you mentioned won't be modding his car though.

Even when you consider the power to weight ratio, it is still a slow car.

GT500: 4040lbs/500hp=8.08lbs/hp

BMW 335i: 3571lbs/300hp=11.90lbs/hp

Although the trap speed is much higher in the GT500, Edmunds achieved a better time in the 335i which has a much worse power to weight ratio than the GT500 'vert.

/magazine_racing

 

exdeath

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Never was impressed by the GT500. I was eagerly anticipating it like everyone else but it proved to be over hyped with the Shelby name once initial reviews started getting around; it turned out to be a sidegrade more than an upgrade. The 03-04 raised the bar in a way that it is seldom raised, perhaps it was a bit unrealistic to expect another huge leap so soon. The way I see it the 03-04 Cobra is still the car to have if you want an all out street and track terror, while I'd leave a GT500 stock as a commuter.

Of course there are some compromises to making one of the highest performance cars you can buy under $50,000 because a) no point in making yet another super car that nobody can afford and b) since anyone can potentially buy one, some average Joe people who don't understand performance cars will whine about NVH.

But you can fix all those compromises ;) . Do a pulley, intake, exhaust, and tune for 500+ RWHP with the stock blower and fuel system. Replace all the rubber bushings in the front and rear suspension and go with coil overs and a tubular K member and control arms, and full length sub frame connectors. Get a set of 14" 6 piston brakes that make your nose bleed when you touch the brake pedal and get some better tires than the Eagle F1s, and you'll have a car under 3,600 lbs that can do 10s in the 1/4 and pull 1g skid pad and still leave a lot on the table for yet more power upgrades down the road. All while your friends are in the back seat crapping themselves.

Just the rear end bushings alone make it feel like an entirely different car handling wise. There is way too much compliance and deflection in the stock suspension system due to the low density rubber bushings used everywhere. Again, trying to keep costs down and please your grandmother who doesn't want to feel any bumps or hear any noises in her $30,000 Mustang.

And Terminators look far more threatening than the GT500. The first time I saw a Terminator prowl up in my rear view, I got chills. The GT500 was just "hey cool, it's one of those".

It's rather unfortunate, I was really looking forward to something new and different.

FWIW
 

fbrdphreak

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Originally posted by: exdeath
But you can fix all those compromises ;) . Do a pulley, intake, exhaust, and tune for 500+ RWHP with the stock blower and fuel system. Replace all the rubber bushings in the front and rear suspension and go with coil overs and a tubular K member and control arms, and full length sub frame connectors. Get a set of 14" 6 piston brakes that make your nose bleed when you touch the brake pedal and get some better tires than the Eagle F1s, and you'll have a car under 3,600 lbs that can do 10s in the 1/4 and pull 1g skid pad and still leave a lot on the table for yet more power upgrades down the road. All while your friends are in the back seat crapping themselves.
Coilovers + tubular suspension + 16" 6-piston brakes = mega bucks. You would spend $10K+ on those parts alone.

For that money buy a Corvette.
 

overst33r

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Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
Originally posted by: exdeath
But you can fix all those compromises ;) . Do a pulley, intake, exhaust, and tune for 500+ RWHP with the stock blower and fuel system. Replace all the rubber bushings in the front and rear suspension and go with coil overs and a tubular K member and control arms, and full length sub frame connectors. Get a set of 14" 6 piston brakes that make your nose bleed when you touch the brake pedal and get some better tires than the Eagle F1s, and you'll have a car under 3,600 lbs that can do 10s in the 1/4 and pull 1g skid pad and still leave a lot on the table for yet more power upgrades down the road. All while your friends are in the back seat crapping themselves.
Coilovers + tubular suspension + 16" 6-piston brakes = mega bucks. You would spend $10K+ on those parts alone.

For that money buy a Corvette.

+1...

whoever buys a termy instead of a vette as a trackrat has some hollow tubing upstairs...
 

exdeath

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Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
Originally posted by: exdeath
But you can fix all those compromises ;) . Do a pulley, intake, exhaust, and tune for 500+ RWHP with the stock blower and fuel system. Replace all the rubber bushings in the front and rear suspension and go with coil overs and a tubular K member and control arms, and full length sub frame connectors. Get a set of 14" 6 piston brakes that make your nose bleed when you touch the brake pedal and get some better tires than the Eagle F1s, and you'll have a car under 3,600 lbs that can do 10s in the 1/4 and pull 1g skid pad and still leave a lot on the table for yet more power upgrades down the road. All while your friends are in the back seat crapping themselves.
Coilovers + tubular suspension + 16" 6-piston brakes = mega bucks. You would spend $10K+ on those parts alone.

For that money buy a Corvette.

Maybe some people don't want an all out track car, but just want a versatile daily driver, and just want to fix the short comings and tinker. Sure you can spend $70,000 and get a Z06, but what if you don't want a Z06 and just want to make the $25,000 car you already own handle 99% like one because you happen to like that car? Why buy a BMW, Miata, Nissan, GTO, <insert the car you have> and bother modifying it when you could just buy a Corvette? Why bother with a Corvette when you can just get a Ferrari? It's not about spending the money to make one car better than the other or spending the money on getting a better car in the first place that includes all those upgrades. It's about how boring it would be if everyone in the world drive the same car.

And hey you got two friends over and wanna go out and cruise the strip and get a bite to eat... but instead of driving your Corvette, you're sitting in the back seat of your friend's Sentra staring at everyone else's nice rides while you baby sits at home in the dark.

Also a Corvette in the same league as the Terminator price wise cannot make 500+ RWHP with just a $75 pulley, $100 intake, and $400 exhaust and a flash tune. (that will change with the ZR1 but then we are now talking about a $100,000 car).

I'm not going to start a Cobra vs. Corvette war here because they are two different types of cars and it's silly. It's like comparing an Altima to a Miata. The fact that people routinely compare the Terminators to Corvettes and Vipers is testament to how good they actually are.

Also the appeal of the Terminators is the endless after market, reasonable cost of entry, and low cost abundant modification options. Maybe all that stuff would cost $10,000+ minimum for a Corvette or Viper, but the same exact stuff with a Cobra label on the box is much more reasonably priced:

MM Rear coil over conversion
$449

QA1 tubular front suspension (k member, control arms, and coil over conversion, springs, etc, this is the one required for the THP twin turbo system):
$499

Baer or Brembo 14" 6 piston brakes (and these are the best money can buy, the Cobra R 4 piston Brembo front brake kit most people do is only $1000):
$3,000

For a full weight street trim car with a back seat that has the capability to do 9s and 10s in the 1/4 on the stock engine, I'd say $4,000 isn't bad to have a car that can also tear up the corners and end the "oh yeah? but what about the twisties" debate before it comes up.

FWIW the big brake upgrade is the single most expensive upgrade for those cars, exceeding even the cost of a Kenne Bell or Whipple twinscrew blower upgrade (which can push the car to 700 RWHP).
 

exdeath

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Originally posted by: mariok2006
Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
Originally posted by: exdeath
But you can fix all those compromises ;) . Do a pulley, intake, exhaust, and tune for 500+ RWHP with the stock blower and fuel system. Replace all the rubber bushings in the front and rear suspension and go with coil overs and a tubular K member and control arms, and full length sub frame connectors. Get a set of 14" 6 piston brakes that make your nose bleed when you touch the brake pedal and get some better tires than the Eagle F1s, and you'll have a car under 3,600 lbs that can do 10s in the 1/4 and pull 1g skid pad and still leave a lot on the table for yet more power upgrades down the road. All while your friends are in the back seat crapping themselves.
Coilovers + tubular suspension + 16" 6-piston brakes = mega bucks. You would spend $10K+ on those parts alone.

For that money buy a Corvette.

+1...

whoever buys a termy instead of a vette as a trackrat has some hollow tubing upstairs...

FWIW I looked at Boxsters and C5s when I was on the hunt years ago (I didn't care for Mustangs at the time because they were pretty lame and the Terminator project didn't exist at SVT yet).

All the cars I looked at had shortcomings compared to the others, but the 03 Cobra was one where I could fix all those shortcomings compared to the other two (Boxster and C5) and still end up spending less money for a car that can do more. It's easier and cheaper, for example, to make a Cobra handle marginally better to keep up with the Boxster and C5 in the corners, than it is to drastically increase the power of the Boxster to keep up with the Cobra on the straights. The only thing missing was the status symbol of the Porsche logo, but I quickly got over that.

I was coming from a Camry, getting smoked at stoplights by anything from minivans to spoiled college kids in daddy's BMWs and it was something I was aiming to put behind me once and for f***ing all, with headroom to grow for future insurance. I was reminded of the Camry's inferiority and inadequacy every second I had to drive somewhere, and came to hate driving because of it. Not once in the years I've owned a Cobra have I ever felt that way.

Any more that I want to wring out of it now is no longer because of others "forcing my hand" but my own solitary craving turning into a hobby where I do it just to do it, not to beat someone else anymore.

The 03 Terminator delivered everything I wanted and continues to do so to this day :)

PS: anyone interested in those cars should read http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb...fist+lead+foot&x=0&y=0

Engines validated by screaming non stop on a dyno, alternating between peak power and peak torque, for 300 hours before being approved? Driving the car on a race track through back to back 8 hour endurance runs lap after lap, tweaking the suspension, and watching the lap time continually decrease, until the only thing that couldn't stand up to it anymore was the brake pads and tires? Parking the car against a wall and dumping the clutch at various RPMS 1000s of times and doing 1000s of drag launches to proof the clutch and drive train? These are the kinds of things SVT went through in the 12-18 months designing this car, all while dancing around bean counters and making sure the special touches going into the Cobra could be retrofitted to existing assembly lines and tooling in a way that didn't disrupt the flow of the bread and butter models.
 

overst33r

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Originally posted by: exdeath
Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
Originally posted by: exdeath
But you can fix all those compromises ;) . Do a pulley, intake, exhaust, and tune for 500+ RWHP with the stock blower and fuel system. Replace all the rubber bushings in the front and rear suspension and go with coil overs and a tubular K member and control arms, and full length sub frame connectors. Get a set of 14" 6 piston brakes that make your nose bleed when you touch the brake pedal and get some better tires than the Eagle F1s, and you'll have a car under 3,600 lbs that can do 10s in the 1/4 and pull 1g skid pad and still leave a lot on the table for yet more power upgrades down the road. All while your friends are in the back seat crapping themselves.
Coilovers + tubular suspension + 16" 6-piston brakes = mega bucks. You would spend $10K+ on those parts alone.

For that money buy a Corvette.

Maybe some people don't want an all out track car, but just want a versatile daily driver, and just want to fix the short comings and tinker. Sure you can spend $70,000 and get a Z06, but what if you don't want a Z06 and just want to make the $25,000 car you already own handle 99% like one because you happen to like that car? Why buy a BMW, Miata, Nissan, GTO, <insert the car you have> and bother modifying it when you could just buy a Corvette? Why bother with a Corvette when you can just get a Ferrari? It's not about spending the money to make one car better than the other or spending the money on getting a better car in the first place that includes all those upgrades. It's about how boring it would be if everyone in the world drive the same car.

And hey you got two friends over and wanna go out and cruise the strip and get a bite to eat... but instead of driving your Corvette, you're sitting in the back seat of your friend's Sentra staring at everyone else's nice rides while you baby sits at home in the dark.

Also a Corvette in the same league as the Terminator price wise cannot make 500+ RWHP with just a $75 pulley, $100 intake, and $400 exhaust and a flash tune. (that will change with the ZR1 but then we are now talking about a $100,000 car).

Judging from your quoted prices, I take it you've done these mods to your car?

 

exdeath

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Originally posted by: mariok2006
Originally posted by: exdeath
Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
Originally posted by: exdeath
But you can fix all those compromises ;) . Do a pulley, intake, exhaust, and tune for 500+ RWHP with the stock blower and fuel system. Replace all the rubber bushings in the front and rear suspension and go with coil overs and a tubular K member and control arms, and full length sub frame connectors. Get a set of 14" 6 piston brakes that make your nose bleed when you touch the brake pedal and get some better tires than the Eagle F1s, and you'll have a car under 3,600 lbs that can do 10s in the 1/4 and pull 1g skid pad and still leave a lot on the table for yet more power upgrades down the road. All while your friends are in the back seat crapping themselves.
Coilovers + tubular suspension + 16" 6-piston brakes = mega bucks. You would spend $10K+ on those parts alone.

For that money buy a Corvette.

Maybe some people don't want an all out track car, but just want a versatile daily driver, and just want to fix the short comings and tinker. Sure you can spend $70,000 and get a Z06, but what if you don't want a Z06 and just want to make the $25,000 car you already own handle 99% like one because you happen to like that car? Why buy a BMW, Miata, Nissan, GTO, <insert the car you have> and bother modifying it when you could just buy a Corvette? Why bother with a Corvette when you can just get a Ferrari? It's not about spending the money to make one car better than the other or spending the money on getting a better car in the first place that includes all those upgrades. It's about how boring it would be if everyone in the world drive the same car.

And hey you got two friends over and wanna go out and cruise the strip and get a bite to eat... but instead of driving your Corvette, you're sitting in the back seat of your friend's Sentra staring at everyone else's nice rides while you baby sits at home in the dark.

Also a Corvette in the same league as the Terminator price wise cannot make 500+ RWHP with just a $75 pulley, $100 intake, and $400 exhaust and a flash tune. (that will change with the ZR1 but then we are now talking about a $100,000 car).

Judging from your quoted prices, I take it you've done these mods to your car?

What I went with was a little more expensive and slightly better. JLT 4" high boost intake with 12" filter is $250 and the Bassani SS exhaust is $750 for the catback alone. But those are also the most expensive of their kind available and not necessary for the average Cobra seeing to reach 500 HP and stay there. Most people run with something much cheaper and more common like a K&N FIPK and Mac or Magnaflow which is fine.

But then again, I'm noted by those who know me for overkill in everything I touch ;P

But that Bassani sure sounds sweet with a simultaneous tone of muscle car burble and bass overlapping with Murcialago whine emanating from 4" slash cut ends :)

Amazon does custom long distance "email tuning" for $125. Retunes are free for the life of the car regardless of what you add to it, so there you bypass what would normally be $1000s in custom tuning. For simple common things like intake/exhaust/pulley there are proven canned tunes that suffice with various combinations of known parts (they've done and seen it all).

For serious tuning you need to datalog real world performance and finely hone the tune. All data logs necessary for accurate tuning can be logged from the OBDII port ($300-400 for a hand held SCT or Diablo flash tuner capable of data logging) except for wideband O2, which can be logged via the 5v aux output of a aftermarket wideband O2 sensor. I prefer this method because a) don't have a reputable dyno tuner in the area, and b) dynos don't reflect real world driving conditions anyway.

I am currently learning the EEC-V PCM system (Intel 8061 MCU) and want to start learning to do the tuning myself. Since my coupe is still stock and I'm still building the cash up for the major stuff, I'm starting with the small things so I can see what kind of difference it makes in the logs, things like changing intake and exhaust and injector sizes and after market MAF and see how things change, MAF transfer function, injector slopes, etc. I'll still probably have someone with experience tune the car though, a) for insurance, b) because they've done it enough to know right away what to do, and I don't have the patience to drive down the freeway in 4th gear 100s of times to get that experience myself when I can get my tune updated by experts for free :)
 

exdeath

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Originally posted by: mariok2006
Originally posted by: fbrdphreak


For that money buy a Corvette.

+1...

whoever buys a termy instead of a vette as a trackrat has some hollow tubing upstairs...
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Or someone who doesn't have the time, money, or space, for 15 different purpose specific cars, but wants a single universal vehicle that can pace or pass a modded Supra on the freeway, smoke almost every car on the road from a stop light, equal a Corvette in the corners, drive to work and school and back daily with no reliability problems year after year despite being asked to pump out twice the stock power, and still be able to take the folks out to dinner in style ;)

You can add brakes and springs and engine parts to a Cobra all day long, but you can never have fun in a Corvette with 3 friends riding along with you.

Don't get me wrong, the Corvette (esp C6) is definately a better car, but it is in a totally different class and nowhere near as practical as a daily driver as the Cobra. Like I mentioned, it's like complaining that a Altima has to go through a turn 2 mph slower than a Miata ;)