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Edmunds.com: 2003-2004 Family Sedan Comparison Test

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Ornery
Where's the list of differences? I see NONE, except for the damn spoiler and splash of chrome on the front. BFD!
Now look what it's come to!
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That's a coupe.
What a pain in the ass you are. Who wants to see a dime a dozen 57 Belair? And, it's hard as hell to find a decent 4dr Delta 88 image. Back then, you could buy many models as 2drs, 4drs, and wagons, not to mention 2dr wagons!
 
What exactly is the point of 3 different cars from 3 different decades? Is that supposed to show how cars from the current generations look alike. Why don't you do us a favor and post some cars from a comparable generation to that 50's wagon. Let's see how different they look from each other.

Don't you have anything better to do than to troll in every new car thread?
 
Already did that, but you don't seem to want to digest it:
  • At a time when Chevys looked like this, Fords looked like this, Chryslers looked like this, Datsuns looked like this, and Volkswagons looked like this. Not hard to point out several differences at that time. Now they're all cookie cutter clones!
Now, when are you going to point out what's so much better about the Mazda VS Honda?
 
Originally posted by: Ornery
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Ornery
Where's the list of differences? I see NONE, except for the damn spoiler and splash of chrome on the front. BFD!
Now look what it's come to!
rolleye.gif

That's a coupe.
What a pain in the ass you are. Who wants to see a dime a dozen 57 Belair? And, it's hard as hell to find a decent 4dr Delta 88 image. Back then, you could buy many models as 2drs, 4drs, and wagons, not to mention 2dr wagons!
You still can.

I'm in agreement with others, it's getting old. It is your preference, nothing else. If you don't like them, you don't have to buy them.

If people wanted cars like they made in the 50s, 60s and 70s, they would still be making them.. but they don't, so they don't. It's as simple as that.

New cars are superior in ALL ways to old cars.

Reliability
Safety
Efficiency
Performance
etc..

You can't deny it. Just give it up already. It isn't a conspiracy against the full size, RWD, V8 powered automobiles. It's simply demand & supply.

The car companies give us what they think we want & need as consumers. If we like it, we buy it. Clearly people that drive cars like the import sedans.

Before you say "They aren't safer", they certainly are when compared to cars of the same weight class of the times.

How can you not understand that a V8 isn't necessary to cart a family around when a light and efficient I4 will do the same thing?

It's a natural progression. You see how the cars changed from the 50s, to the 60s, to the 70s.

Now just realize the change is still ongoing in the 80s, 90s and 00's.. you just don't like the changes.

oh, and ontopic.. interesting comparison.
 
Originally posted by: Ornery
Already did that, but you don't seem to want to digest it:
  • At a time when Chevys looked like this, Fords looked like this, Chryslers looked like this, Datsuns looked like this, and Volkswagons looked like this. Not hard to point out several differences at that time. Now they're all cookie cutter clones!
Now, when are you going to point out what's so much better about the Mazda VS Honda?
Hadn't read your followup post yet.

I find it phenomenal that you haven't the ability see any beauty in today's cars. More importantly, I find it phenomenal you have the balls to say the Accord and Mazda6 look the same, then you post pictures to the Ford, Chevy, and Chrysler, and Datsun, which looks absolutely identical to each other! The Ford has a sharper front end but the roof and beltlines are identical. The wheels and overall shape for every one of those cars is identical.

Don't you have anything better to do than to troll in every new car thread?
 
Like I said, you could buy it as a 2dr, 4dr, and 2 or 4dr wagon. What else you gonna do with it besides haul your family and groceries around?
 
Still not one point about the difference in the looks between the Mazda and Honda. NOT ONE!

You compare the '67 Chevy to the '67 Ford and say they're identical. Yeah right
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No mention of how different the Chrysler, VW and Datsun looked from the Chevy, Ford and each other.

I am TOTALLY disgusted with the cookie cutter crap coming out of Detroit, Japan and Europe. For Edmunds to call that BS "spacious and comfortable" is more than I can sit still for... one topic after another.
 
Question, why the &*$% is half of this discussion about friggen' land yachts from 30 years ago??

This is 2004 (almost), GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Originally posted by: Eli
oh, and ontopic.. interesting comparison.
Not really. I've been reading Edmunds enough to have a general idea of how these cars were going to place. The 'fun to drive' cars always rank well. The most recent Mazda's are at or near the top of every comparison. Meanwhile the staples, Camry and Honda, always get the best pick status. Domestics and Korean imports are usually mix and matched toward the bottom.

I think the top 3 picks are spot on. The Accord is definitely the best overall sedan on the market. A shame it looks crummy.
 
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
just acknowledge that Ornery is right on this one, cars nowadays ARE a lot more homogenous then ever before.
Perhaps..... but only slightly if any more than previous generations...

You can look at any car from any decade and say "Oh yeah, that car is from the 60s, 70s, 80s, etc"....

They all have a certain look to them... they all build off eachothers styling queues.
 
Originally posted by: Ornery
Originally posted by: PCMarine
Originally posted by: Ornery

The Mazda 6 actually looks like a sports sedan with a set of balls whereas the accord looks like a civic with downsyndrome or something like that 😉

BTW I was pretty surprized that the ford taurus wasn't featured in that test. I think the Taurus is right behind the accord/camry in terms of sales numbers for the family-sedan market in the US.
Yeah, that's very specific. Just as I expected.

At a time when Chevys looked like this, Fords looked like this, Chryslers looked like this, Datsuns looked like this, and Volkswagons looked like this. Not hard to point out several differences at that time. Now they're all cookie cutter clones!

Know what old man? I look at those pictures, and I don't see differneces unless I'm specifically looking. They all look like boring old cars to me. Whereas I can easily see the difference between Mazda, Ford, Honda, etc. Get with the times, or keep buying old cars.
 
Originally posted by: NFS4
Question, why the &*$% is half of this discussion about friggen' land yachts from 30 years ago??

This is 2004 (almost), GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You see KnightBreed's last post? He still won't back up his assinine statement that "looks 10x better than the Accord". That's all I've been asking for. If he'd ticked off a list 20 posts ago, it would have been over then!
 
Originally posted by: Ornery
Originally posted by: NFS4
Question, why the &*$% is half of this discussion about friggen' land yachts from 30 years ago??

This is 2004 (almost), GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You see KnightBreed's last post? He still won't back up his assinine statement that "looks 10x better than the Accord". That's all I've been asking for. If he'd ticked off a list 20 posts ago, it would have been over then!

It just does. Maybe you are too blind to see it, but I can easily spot a 6 from an Accord, and the 6 does look a lot better. It is designed to look and feel sportier than the Accord.
 
Originally posted by: Ornery
Be specific...

A few quick ones...

The contour of the hood. The headlights. The grill. Thats all I cang et from the frontal view...got a rear or side view?
 
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: Ornery
Originally posted by: PCMarine
Originally posted by: Ornery

The Mazda 6 actually looks like a sports sedan with a set of balls whereas the accord looks like a civic with downsyndrome or something like that 😉

BTW I was pretty surprized that the ford taurus wasn't featured in that test. I think the Taurus is right behind the accord/camry in terms of sales numbers for the family-sedan market in the US.
Yeah, that's very specific. Just as I expected.

At a time when Chevys looked like this, Fords looked like this, Chryslers looked like this, Datsuns looked like this, and Volkswagons looked like this. Not hard to point out several differences at that time. Now they're all cookie cutter clones!

Know what old man? I look at those pictures, and I don't see differneces unless I'm specifically looking. They all look like boring old cars to me. Whereas I can easily see the difference between Mazda, Ford, Honda, etc. Get with the times, or keep buying old cars.
Heh. 🙂

I have a lot of respect for Ornery, but this is one area that we disagree.. 😉 His nostalgia for the time period clouds his view of the picture.

If he were the majority, we wouldn't have "puny cookie cutter cars", as he calls them. It doesen't get any simpler than that.

People travel a lot more than they did 30 years ago. The need for an efficient & reliable automobile is very strong. The imports deliver.

If you don't like them, don't buy them. But you can't really rag on them for any reason other than their "cookie cutter" looks(which is dependant on the viewer.. I have no problem distinguishing the different styling queues), they're technically superior in every way imaginable, from A to Z.

It's almost like using your Pentium2/400 & refusing to upgrade because you don't like where the computer industry has gone.
 
What's the point of your post Ornery? I don't get it. People ignored your first flamebait, oops I mean post. You posted more flamebait in response to someone else. So what? You think they all look like cookie cutter clones. The majority of the people in this thread think the cars you pointed out from your day look like clones. I do too. I quite frankly could care less about cars back then.

And are you really so blind that you can't tell the different in the cars? Would you like us to point out how the Accord's nose is sloped down at 36 degrees but the Mazda 6 is only 25? The angled vs smooth headlights? Everyone knows you only get your jollies on a huge 4 door boat. Why can't you accept the fact that maybe Americans no longer want that and want the cars actually featured in the comparison?
 
Originally posted by: Ornery
Be specific...

Heck, I can tell what a car/trucl is by its tail lamps at night. I've just seen so many cars that I can pick out just about any vehicle this way. And in the day time, I can get a glance at a fender, or a bumper shape and I can tell you what the vehicle is by just glancing at it.

 
Originally posted by: Ornery
Originally posted by: NFS4
Question, why the &*$% is half of this discussion about friggen' land yachts from 30 years ago??

This is 2004 (almost), GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You see KnightBreed's last post? He still won't back up his assinine statement that "looks 10x better than the Accord". That's all I've been asking for. If he'd ticked off a list 20 posts ago, it would have been over then!
The headlight and taillight enclosures are different. The hood is different. The wheels are different. The Mazda6 has a small chin spoiler and side sills - of which, the Honda has neither. The interior of the Mazda is full of titanium colored trim, while the Accord is all black.

The Mazda6 has swooping lines that wrap around the front fascia. Combined with the rising beltline, you have a vehicle that looks more sporty and hunkered down than the Accord, and less "family sedan-like."

Now, I must ask you to do the same. You have done nothing to illustrate the differences among the snoozemobiles you've posted. Kindly tell me why I shouldn't wretch all over my keyboard when you post that ugly, boring ass Caprice.
 
Originally posted by: Ornery
Like I said, you could buy it as a 2dr, 4dr, and 2 or 4dr wagon. What else you gonna do with it besides haul your family and groceries around?
I did say "Nomad", which as far as I know only came as a 2-door wagon and was a fairly limited production vehicle.
Not really a good example of a '50s Family Sedan.

 
Originally posted by: Ornery
I ain't the one who said it looks 10 times better, and then tried to slough off the whole thing.

Now that you're done getting off, can you do everyone a favor and stop jacking off in this thread?

 
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