EDIT:Is it illegal to write on Money....?

[TooOne21]

Is it illegal to write on American Money?

I have tried to look on the web. I can not find anything that would give reference to it.

If you find a web page that explains if it is illegal please post.

I think it is considered illegal due to defacing government property.

 

[conjur]

Government property? The gov't doesn't own *my* money!

 

[bunker]

http://www.moneyfactory.com/document.cfm/18/104

So as long as it can still be used, you should be in the clear.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: conjur
Government property? The gov't doesn't own *my* money!

If you search for the thread about money laundering, there are ATOT members that believe otherwise. Some even have no problem with the government dictating what we do with it.

 

[Kenny]

You own the amount which you earned, not the actual money.

As conjur said earlier, it's government property. You'd be defacing it, and I believe that's illegal. If the US wanted to change their currency from dollars to rocks, they would take back their dollars and issue rocks of the same face value.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: bunker
http://www.moneyfactory.com/document.cfm/18/104

So as long as it can still be used, you should be in the clear.

Damn I was just about to post the same link. (Google search must have given us the same thing). Basically if it becomes unusable it is illegal, but minor markings are just fine.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: Kenny
You own the amount which you earned, not the actual money.

Correct. The bills are basically promisses of the government that they will give you your money - but the bills themselves are owned by the government.

 

[Eli]

Of course not. Banks, retail establishments, etc., do it all the time with those fake money catching pens.

 

[Tetsuo]

Why would it be?

 

[AmericasTeam]

Here's an interesting story along the same lines as the subject at hand

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Kenny
You own the amount which you earned, not the actual money.

As conjur said earlier, it's government property. You'd be defacing it, and I believe that's illegal. If the US wanted to change their currency from dollars to rocks, they would take back their dollars and issue rocks of the same face value.

Uhh...I didn't say it was government property.

 

[maziwanka]

no

 

[shekondar]

Yes.
You're gonna spend the rest of your life in a federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: Tetsuo
Why would it be?

The door opens for all kinds of illegal activities if anyone was allowed to alter the bills. Imagine this: Cutting up a $10 bill, to take out the 0's. Now add those zeros to the end of another $10. Suddenly for the price of $20, you could get most people to sell you $100 worth of goods. It isn't like many people remember the photo of the president.

My favorite idea when I was small was to cut about 2% out of each of 50 $100 bills. Paste them together and you'd get a new $100 bill. No one would care about the tape/missing holes on the bills. Of course that is illegal since it is defacing the money.

I could go on and on.

 

[Bryophyte]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: Tetsuo
Why would it be?

The door opens for all kinds of illegal activities if anyone was allowed to alter the bills. Imagine this: Cutting up a $10 bill, to take out the 0's. Now add those zeros to the end of another $10. Suddenly for the price of $20, you could get most people to sell you $100 worth of goods. It isn't like many people remember the photo of the president.

My favorite idea when I was small was to cut about 2% out of each of 50 $100 bills. Paste them together and you'd get a new $100 bill. No one would care about the tape/missing holes on the bills. Of course that is illegal since it is defacing the money.

I could go on and on.

Er, the law allows for it to be marked as long as it does not prevent it from being used as it was originally intended. In other words, using a fraud-detector marker, or writing "I love my mom" on a five dollar bill leaves you with a recognizable, usable five dollar bill. Cutting it up to make it look like a $50 dollar bill (as if anyone would take a taped up bill...) would alter its ability to be used as it was intended.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: Bryophyte
Er, the law allows for it to be marked as long as it does not prevent it from being used as it was originally intended. In other words, using a fraud-detector marker, or writing "I love my mom" on a five dollar bill leaves you with a recognizable, usable five dollar bill. Cutting it up to make it look like a $50 dollar bill (as if anyone would take a taped up bill...) would alter its ability to be used as it was intended.

Didn't I just say that above? Marking is legal as long as it is still usable. However, I gave some reasons why they have to make some marking illegal (even if it appears usable).

By the way, the law allows ripped or taped bills to be legal tender. There must be a certain percentage of the bill left though (I know that percentage is >50%, you can search for the exact number if you wish).

This thread here illustrates my childish fantasy.

 

[AmericasTeam]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: Tetsuo
Why would it be?

The door opens for all kinds of illegal activities if anyone was allowed to alter the bills. Imagine this: Cutting up a $10 bill, to take out the 0's. Now add those zeros to the end of another $10. Suddenly for the price of $20, you could get most people to sell you $100 worth of goods. It isn't like many people remember the photo of the president.

My favorite idea when I was small was to cut about 2% out of each of 50 $100 bills. Paste them together and you'd get a new $100 bill. No one would care about the tape/missing holes on the bills. Of course that is illegal since it is defacing the money.

I could go on and on.

Uh...... yeah

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: AmericasTeam
Just how small were you when you had $5000 to play your little money game?

I smell a Bull$hitter

There is a difference between an "activity" and an "idea". I never did that. If I did, I certainly would never post publicly that I did something like it! To answer your question though, I was probably 5 or 6 when I had that idea. Then in grade school I learned it was illegal to do such a thing.

 

[Bryophyte]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: Bryophyte
Er, the law allows for it to be marked as long as it does not prevent it from being used as it was originally intended. In other words, using a fraud-detector marker, or writing "I love my mom" on a five dollar bill leaves you with a recognizable, usable five dollar bill. Cutting it up to make it look like a $50 dollar bill (as if anyone would take a taped up bill...) would alter its ability to be used as it was intended.

Didn't I just say that above? Marking is legal as long as it is still usable. However, I gave some reasons why they have to make some marking illegal (even if it appears usable).

By the way, the law allows ripped or taped bills to be legal tender. There must be a certain percentage of the bill left though (I know that percentage is >50%, you can search for the exact number if you wish).

I realize that you said that above. I just disagree that the allowance of a certain amount of marking or ripping leaves any doors open for the activities you described. It's illegal whether or not you allow some scribbling on bills.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: Bryophyte
I realize that you said that above. I just disagree that the allowance of a certain amount of marking or ripping leaves any doors open for the activities you described. It's illegal whether or not you allow some scribbling on bills.

I gave examples of how defacing money MUST be illegal. Writing in SOME forms is defacing money. I did not explicitly post ways that writing is illegal. It doesn't take much thought about what I posted about adding a zero to the $10, to include writing instead of cutting/taping. But I guess it wasn't very clear. Money can be easilly erased (ie right behind the '0' on the $10 bill). Then with just a little work you can draw on a pretty good looking second '0'. Or you can use a printing press, or computer printer, etc, whatever you choose to write another zero on the bill. Thus, writing, in some forms should be, and is, illegal.

And again, I've never done this, nor do I plan to. I'm just giving reasons why some forms of money defacing must be illegal.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve

Originally posted by: conjur
Government property? The gov't doesn't own *my* money!

If you search for the thread about money laundering, there are ATOT members that believe otherwise. Some even have no problem with the government dictating what we do with it.

Otherwise known as the ATOT Libs.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Kenny
You own the amount which you earned, not the actual money.

As conjur said earlier, it's government property. You'd be defacing it, and I believe that's illegal. If the US wanted to change their currency from dollars to rocks, they would take back their dollars and issue rocks of the same face value.

Uhh...I didn't say it was government property.

Been a while since I took economics courses (this topic is covered in macroeconomics IIRC)
The government doesn't own the money. IIRC correctly, the Federal Reserve prints the paper money that we use. (they don't mint the coinage though). The federal reserve is "owned" by the banks under them. Oddly, a majority of the federal reserve therefore is owned by foreign interests. But, since paper money is no longer linked to a gold standard (Kennedy?), it's now just a good that has a value based on supply and demand. The more there is, the less the demand.. the shorter it is in supply, the more the demand. By changing the supply, the federal reserve can manage the perceived value of money. "I think it has value because I assume I will be able to trade it for other goods of value." When you are in possesion of the money, you have ownership of that money. You're free to do with it whatever you want. Burn it if you want. But, don't try to print your own money. The government has the obligation to protect the public, and printing your own money wouldn't be in everyone's best interests.

 

[MegaloManiaK]

An uncle of mine found 3 20's under a washing machine in an apartment he was working on once. They had been chewed by some mice so that you couldn't use them. He took them to the bank and told them and they said that as long as the serial number was in tact they could replace them and request new ones.

so you should be able to use the bills if the serial still works.

 

[OulOat]

Now that we know the Federal Reserve is a privately owned, for-profit corporation, a natural question would be: who OWNS this company? Peter Kershaw provides the answer in "Economic Solutions" where he lists the ten primary shareholders in the Federal Reserve banking system.

1) The Rothschild Family - London 2) The Rothschild Family - Berlin 3) The Lazard Brothers - Paris 4) Israel Seiff - Italy 5) Kuhn-Loeb Company - Germany 6) The Warburgs - Amsterdam 7) The Warburgs - Hamburg 8) Lehman Brothers - New York 9) Goldman & Sachs - New York 10) The Rockefeller Family - New York

Now I don't know about you, but something is terribly wrong with this situation. Namely, don't we live in AMERICA? If so, why are seven of the top ten stockholders located in FOREIGN countries? That's 70%! To further convey how screwed-up this system is, Jim Marrs provides the following data in his phenomenal book, "Rule By Secrecy." He says that the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, which undeniably controls the other eleven Federal Reserve branches, is essentially controlled by two financial institutions:

1) Chase-Manhattan (controlled by the Rockefellers) - 6,389,445 shares - 32.3%
2) Citbank - 4,051,851 shares - 20.5%

Thus, these two entities control nearly 53% of the New York Federal Reserve Bank. Doesn't that boggle your mind? Now, considering how many trillions of dollars are involved here, and how the bankers are WAY above our "selected" officials in Washington, D.C., do you think the above-listed banks and families have an inordinate amount of say-so in how our country is being run? The answer is blindingly apparent.

Can anyone verify this? I just pulled this up from a here.