EDIT: Doesn't a red right-pointing arrow mean you shouldn't make a right-hand turn until it turns green?

[Random Variable]

There is this stoplight (in Illinois) that has a right-hand turning signal (i.e., red, yellow, and green arrows pointing to the right) but no sign explicitly stating that you shouldn't make a right-hand turn on red. Whenever I stop at the intersection, everyone always honks at me like I'm an idiot (which I probably am).

 

[mugs]

Depends on state law, but last time there was a thread about this I believe in most states the law was that you can turn as long as there isn't a sign that says no turn on red.

 

[Oceandevi]

Is the red light a right pointing arrow? You have to stop. There should also be a sign saying no right on red. Common at the more dangerous intersections. After a few deaths they adjust the signs. lol

 

[FoBoT]

i see your point, what it the point of the right arrow if it isn't that

 

[Oceandevi]

Some people may think that right turns on reds are always ok.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
i see your point, what it the point of the right arrow if it isn't that

To let you know that you have a protected right turn.

 

[Xylitol]

In California, you can turn red if it's a red light as long as its open. Be considerate and
move out of that lane if you're not gonna turn. I hate people like that

 

[Random Variable]

Originally posted by: Xylitol
In California, you can turn red if it's a red light as long as its open. Be considerate and
move out of that lane if you're not gonna turn. I hate people like that

I should move out of the way to let someone else do something that might be illegal?

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
i see your point, what it the point of the right arrow if it isn't that

I've seen intersections that had arrows pointing right, but still allowed you to turn on red. The point of the arrow in those intersections was to show you had the absolute right away, versus a standard green light where someone could be turning left from the opposite side and thus you needing to be aware of that traffic as well.
I've never, however, encountered a red-arrow. I've also never seen an intersection where I could not make a right hand turn on a red, unless there was a sign. In Ohio, there is always a sign. Sometimes there is even a sign that says during a certain block of time you cannot turn, but the rest of the day you can turn on red.

 

[nonameo]

Red means stop. Green means go.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: FoBoT
i see your point, what it the point of the right arrow if it isn't that

I've seen intersections that had arrows pointing right, but still allowed you to turn on red. The point of the arrow in those intersections was to show you had the absolute right away, versus a standard green light where someone could be turning left from the opposite side and thus you needing to be aware of that traffic as well.
I've never, however, encountered a red-arrow. I've also never seen an intersection where I could not make a right hand turn on a red, unless there was a sign. In Ohio, there is always a sign. Sometimes there is even a sign that says during a certain block of time you cannot turn, but the rest of the day you can turn on red.

I've seen a red-arrow before. It acts the same as a no-turn on red sign. The only reason it is at that particular intersection is because it is right after a grade-crossing, so it turns red to allow the other side of traffic crossing the tracks to clear out, then it turns to a green arrow one the otherside has gone to red.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Random Variable

Originally posted by: Xylitol
In California, you can turn red if it's a red light as long as its open. Be considerate and
move out of that lane if you're not gonna turn. I hate people like that

I should move out of the way to let someone else do something that might be illegal?

well if its an intersection that permits right hand turns on red.

I always try and not sit in the right lane of a road at a red light, because I know I get angry with people who sit in that lane when I am right behind them waiting to turn. I try and always get into the left lane at a red light. Unless of course it's a no red light right-turn intersection, but there are very few of those scattered across Ohio, very few in Toledo.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Random Variable

Originally posted by: Xylitol
In California, you can turn red if it's a red light as long as its open. Be considerate and
move out of that lane if you're not gonna turn. I hate people like that

I should move out of the way to let someone else do something that might be illegal?

If you're from that state and you KNOW that it's illegal, by all means stay put.

If you're not from the state, or you don't KNOW that it's illegal, don't assume that the people behind you are just as ignorant of state laws as you are, and move aside.

There are some people who don't realize that you can turn right on red at all. I'm sure that some of them take perverse pleasure in keeping people from turning right, which they are sure "might be illegal". But they are wrong.

Similarly, some people think that a person entering the freeway has the right of way. Those people love cutting off the drivers who are "illegally" not yielding in the right lane. They are also wrong. Self-appointed cops are much more prone to be the victims of road rage and general dislike.

In other words, if you don't KNOW the law...give other people the benefit of the doubt.

/edit: Example from the Revised Code of Washington:

(c) Vehicle operators facing a steady red arrow indication may not enter the intersection control area to make the movement indicated by such arrow, and unless entering the intersection control area to make such other movement as is permitted by other indications shown at the same time, shall stop at a clearly marked stop line, but if none, before entering a crosswalk on the near side of the intersection control area, or if none, then before entering the intersection control area and shall remain standing until an indication to make the movement indicated by such arrow is shown. However, the vehicle operators facing a steady red arrow indication may, after stopping proceed to make a right turn from a one-way or two-way street into a two-way street or into a one-way street carrying traffic in the direction of the right turn; or a left turn from a one-way street or two-way street into a one-way street carrying traffic in the direction of the left turn; unless a sign posted by competent authority prohibits such movement.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: FoBoT
i see your point, what it the point of the right arrow if it isn't that

I've seen intersections that had arrows pointing right, but still allowed you to turn on red. The point of the arrow in those intersections was to show you had the absolute right away, versus a standard green light where someone could be turning left from the opposite side and thus you needing to be aware of that traffic as well.
I've never, however, encountered a red-arrow. I've also never seen an intersection where I could not make a right hand turn on a red, unless there was a sign. In Ohio, there is always a sign. Sometimes there is even a sign that says during a certain block of time you cannot turn, but the rest of the day you can turn on red.

I've seen a red-arrow before. It acts the same as a no-turn on red sign. The only reason it is at that particular intersection is because it is right after a grade-crossing, so it turns red to allow the other side of traffic crossing the tracks to clear out, then it turns to a green arrow one the otherside has gone to red.

well if I saw a red right-pointing arrow, even though it's foreign to me, I'd treat it as a no-turn on red sign. Seems pretty obvious.
I think the question, is in this particular case, is it an actual red right-pointing arrow, or a green and yellow arrow, and then solid red light. I've seen that in Toledo, or a right-hand turn lane that splits away from the main road and has its own green, yellow, red light set. I think those might actually be arrows, that are pointing diagonally to follow the road, but a solid red light. There might also be a sign on the post that says no red turns, however I am not 100% positive on well, any of those details, as I have rarely made a turn at that intersection, always went straight.

 

[Deeko]

Here in PA....if its a solid red, its like any other intersection, you stop, and if its clear, you can go. The green right turn means you can go without stopping, as if it were a green light. So, if the intersection is clear and its a solid red (w/ right turn signal)....you can go, and if you weren't, someone will probably honk at you. Oh well.

 

[Random Variable]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: FoBoT
i see your point, what it the point of the right arrow if it isn't that

I've seen intersections that had arrows pointing right, but still allowed you to turn on red. The point of the arrow in those intersections was to show you had the absolute right away, versus a standard green light where someone could be turning left from the opposite side and thus you needing to be aware of that traffic as well.
I've never, however, encountered a red-arrow. I've also never seen an intersection where I could not make a right hand turn on a red, unless there was a sign. In Ohio, there is always a sign. Sometimes there is even a sign that says during a certain block of time you cannot turn, but the rest of the day you can turn on red.

I've seen a red-arrow before. It acts the same as a no-turn on red sign. The only reason it is at that particular intersection is because it is right after a grade-crossing, so it turns red to allow the other side of traffic crossing the tracks to clear out, then it turns to a green arrow one the otherside has gone to red.

well if I saw a red right-pointing arrow, even though it's foreign to me, I'd treat it as a no-turn on red sign. Seems pretty obvious.
I think the question, is in this particular case, is it an actual red right-pointing arrow, or a green and yellow arrow, and then solid red light. I've seen that in Toledo, or a right-hand turn lane that splits away from the main road and has its own green, yellow, red light set. I think those might actually be arrows, that are pointing diagonally to follow the road, but a solid red light. There might also be a sign on the post that says no red turns, however I am not 100% positive on well, any of those details, as I have rarely made a turn at that intersection, always went straight.

It's a red right-pointing arrow.

 

[alkemyst]

can't be answered without knowing where this is...people are already debating it above I see.

Right turn on red light is permitted after stop in all states, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico and Guam. Left turn on red light from a one-way road into a one-way road is permitted after stop in 42 states and Puerto Rico. There is no left turn on red light in South Dakota unless authorized by a municipal ordinance, in Connecticut, Maine, Missouri, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Carolina, Rhode Island, the District of Columbia, or Guam. Left turn on red light from a two-way road into a one-way road is permitted after stop in Alaska, Idaho, Michigan, Oregon and Washington only.
In New York, there is no turn on red light in New York City or for school buses state-wide while carrying pupils.

After stop on red arrow lights, Illinois, Kansas, Louisiana, Maryland, Michigan, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Oregon, South Carolina, Utah, Washington and Wyoming permit left turn from a one-way road into a one-way road and right turn. (Michigan, Oregon and Washington also permit left turn on red arrow after stop from a two-way road into a one-way road. New Hampshire prohibits left turn on red arrow.) There is no turn on red arrow in Alaska, California, Colorado, Georgia, Idaho, Maine, Minnesota, New York, the District of Columbia, or Puerto Rico. Other state laws do not specify red arrows.

A No Turn on Red sign (US sign #R10-11) or other traffic control device (such as electronic display) may prohibit turns on red light. Some signs have time ranges, the words "When Pedestrians are Present", or the like. A Right Turn on Red after Stop sign or the like may specifically permit otherwise prohibited or non-apparent turns on red light.

I did google this so some laws may have changed since.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: Random Variable
It's a red right-pointing arrow.

If that's the case, I'd treat it as a No Turn on Red (as it is in NY).

 

[aphex]

Take for example a Red right-pointing arrow here in Sarasota (Fruitville Exit & I-75)

Next to the turn arrow there is a sign, ONLY ILLUMINATED during rush hour, that says 'No turn on red'

When its not rush hour, the sign is not lit, therefore everyone makes right turns on red, even though there is a red right-pointing arrow.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
can't be answered without knowing where this is...people are already debating it above I see.

Right turn on red light is permitted after stop in all states, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico and Guam. Left turn on red light from a one-way road into a one-way road is permitted after stop in 42 states and Puerto Rico. There is no left turn on red light in South Dakota unless authorized by a municipal ordinance, in Connecticut, Maine, Missouri, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Carolina, Rhode Island, the District of Columbia, or Guam. Left turn on red light from a two-way road into a one-way road is permitted after stop in Alaska, Idaho, Michigan, Oregon and Washington only.
In New York, there is no turn on red light in New York City or for school buses state-wide while carrying pupils.

After stop on red arrow lights, Illinois, Kansas, Louisiana, Maryland, Michigan, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Oregon, South Carolina, Utah, Washington and Wyoming permit left turn from a one-way road into a one-way road and right turn. (Michigan, Oregon and Washington also permit left turn on red arrow after stop from a two-way road into a one-way road. New Hampshire prohibits left turn on red arrow.) There is no turn on red arrow in Alaska, California, Colorado, Georgia, Idaho, Maine, Minnesota, New York, the District of Columbia, or Puerto Rico. Other state laws do not specify red arrows.

A No Turn on Red sign (US sign #R10-11) or other traffic control device (such as electronic display) may prohibit turns on red light. Some signs have time ranges, the words "When Pedestrians are Present", or the like. A Right Turn on Red after Stop sign or the like may specifically permit otherwise prohibited or non-apparent turns on red light.

I did google this so some laws may have changed since.

Note that right turn on red is permitted in NY state, but not NYC itself.

 

[I Saw OJ]

Originally posted by: Xylitol
In California, you can turn red if it's a red light as long as its open. Be considerate and
move out of that lane if you're not gonna turn. I hate people like that

You can turn right on a solid red light if its clear, but a red arrow light you must wait till it turns green.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: Random Variable
It's a red right-pointing arrow.

If that's the case, I'd treat it as a No Turn on Red (as it is in NY).

Yep. In NYS if it's a red right turn arrow, you can't go until it's green.

 

[SludgeFactory]

I think this is the law you want. It's clear as mud

http://www.ilga.gov/legislatio...cName=062500050K11-306

I interpret that to say yes, you can turn right on a red arrow in the state of Illinois. Try it out next time a cop is at the intersection and see

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: SludgeFactory
I think this is the law you want. It's clear as mud

http://www.ilga.gov/legislatio...cName=062500050K11-306

I interpret that to say yes, you can turn right on a red arrow in the state of Illinois. Try it out next time a cop is at the intersection and see

Actually, that's not too bad.

You can turn right on red, whether it is a normal light or an arrow, after stopping completely and checking for cross-traffic and pedestrians. You can also turn left from a one-way street onto another one-way street (assuming it's one-way from right to left) on any red light, after stopping completely and checking for cross-traffic.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

I always thought that the arrowed lights indicated that a turn from that lane in the direction of the arrow is all that is permitted from that lane. For example, a red right arrow doesn't necessarily mean that you cannot stop and then turn on the red when the target lane is clear, but it does mean that ONLY a right turn is permitted, and under no circumstances is travel permitted straight through the intersection.