BREAKING NEWS: Operations to prevent meltdown at Japanese nuclear plant halted due to radiation surge
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from CNN:
looks like they've given up, game over guys, I'm guessing the containment vessel has been breached.
looks like they've given up, game over guys, I'm guessing the containment vessel has been breached.
TraumaRN
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Because if there is that much radiation you become incapacitated and die, fast, really really fast. Like <48 hours kinda fast. And you can have central nervous system dysfunction appear within a few hours of a really high exposure. Basically giving those guys a fighting chance to live...unfortunately if the containment vessel is broken, whoever goes in to seal it well, that will be a suicide mission most likely...kinda like Chernobyl
Kaervak
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Watching the NHK live briefing now and it sounded like an official has said that reactor two's containment vessel has been damaged. Not entirely sure since I switched to the channel in the middle of it. Hopefully they repeat what they've said. They are however saying that radiation levels at the main gate have risen.
Radiation levels of 6.4 millisievert is the specific number they've mentioned so far.
Radiation levels of 6.4 millisievert is the specific number they've mentioned so far.
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BoomerD
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42084187/ns/world_news-asia-pacific/
"FUKUSHIMA, Japan Workers at a quake-damaged atomic power plant suspended operations and evacuated Wednesday after a surge in radiation made it too dangerous to remain there, dealing a setback to Japans frantic efforts to stem a nuclear crisis.
"All the workers there have suspended their operations. We have urged them to evacuate, and they have," Japan's chief cabinet secretary, Yukio Edano said, according to a translation by NHK television.
Edano said that a surge in radiation Wednesday morning meant workers were unable to continue even minimal efforts at the stricken nuclear plant.
About 45 minutes later, though, radiation levels near the plant came back down, he said. It's possible that evaporation from reactor No. 3 may have caused the temporary surge, Edano said, although that can't be immediately confirmed.The cabinet secretary added that there was no need to broaden the overall evacuation radius around the nuclear complex.
Earlier Wednesday, a fire broke out anew at one damaged nuclear reactor, a day after the power plant emitted a burst of radiation that panicked an already edgy Japan.
Nuclear power plant operator Tokyo Electric Power, or TEPCO, said it was considering dispersing boric acid, a fire retardant, from a helicopter over the Fukushima Dai-ichi plant's No. 4 reactor.
About three hours after the blaze erupted Wednesday, Japan's nuclear safety agency said flames could no longer be seen at No. 4. But it was unable to confirm that the blaze had been put out, and clouds of white smoke were billowing from the reactor, according to live video footage of the plant."
"FUKUSHIMA, Japan Workers at a quake-damaged atomic power plant suspended operations and evacuated Wednesday after a surge in radiation made it too dangerous to remain there, dealing a setback to Japans frantic efforts to stem a nuclear crisis.
"All the workers there have suspended their operations. We have urged them to evacuate, and they have," Japan's chief cabinet secretary, Yukio Edano said, according to a translation by NHK television.
Edano said that a surge in radiation Wednesday morning meant workers were unable to continue even minimal efforts at the stricken nuclear plant.
About 45 minutes later, though, radiation levels near the plant came back down, he said. It's possible that evaporation from reactor No. 3 may have caused the temporary surge, Edano said, although that can't be immediately confirmed.The cabinet secretary added that there was no need to broaden the overall evacuation radius around the nuclear complex.
Earlier Wednesday, a fire broke out anew at one damaged nuclear reactor, a day after the power plant emitted a burst of radiation that panicked an already edgy Japan.
Nuclear power plant operator Tokyo Electric Power, or TEPCO, said it was considering dispersing boric acid, a fire retardant, from a helicopter over the Fukushima Dai-ichi plant's No. 4 reactor.
About three hours after the blaze erupted Wednesday, Japan's nuclear safety agency said flames could no longer be seen at No. 4. But it was unable to confirm that the blaze had been put out, and clouds of white smoke were billowing from the reactor, according to live video footage of the plant."
Locut0s
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They should have remotely operated cameras filming around and inside these plants to find out what is going on. Camera bot exist that should be able to get inside these plants. I know the US military has them and I would be surprised if Japan doesn't have them too, what with being the worlds leaders in robotics. Outside they should have remote controlled helicopters filming. I guess the problem is that it's just such a huge logistical cluster fuck up and down the coast with the tsunami and everything else that they can't coordinate all this.
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From the news that I am seeing now it seems actually that the most dire problem isn't the nuke plant but simple logistics like getting food and water to the worst stricken areas. Amazing that even the most technologically advanced culture on earth is having similar problems to what we saw in the 2004 tsunami. To me this isn't a sign that they are not prepared so much as a testament to just how huge a disaster this really is.
Kaervak
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Yeah, when NHK shows shots of where the tsunami hit entire villages are just gone. Unreal.
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/16_05.html
TEPCO: Spraying water from air "difficult"
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If only they had one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:10tanker-N450AX-061215-04-8.jpg
Although it wouldn't last for long
TEPCO: Spraying water from air "difficult"
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If only they had one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:10tanker-N450AX-061215-04-8.jpg
Although it wouldn't last for long
Kaervak
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Whoa, another aftershock is happening right now. NHK has live footage. 6.0 in magnitude. Don't know the location since the English audio has stopped, it's just Japanese now.
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Ah my mistake, they were rerunning footage from Monday afternoon of the 6.0 aftershock in Tokyo.
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Ah my mistake, they were rerunning footage from Monday afternoon of the 6.0 aftershock in Tokyo.
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http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/16_05.html
TEPCO: Spraying water from air "difficult"
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If only they had one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:10tanker-N450AX-061215-04-8.jpg
Although it wouldn't last for long
Not sure even that would help that much as from what I understand the problem is that the structure of the building is in the way of the water getting to the fire(s).
Yeah that too
For clarity I was referring to the fact that any liquid would evaporate quite quickly due to the heat so it wouldn't really help.
so is TEPCO in charge of everything over there or has the Japanese govt. + IAEA stepped in to take charge?
Heads will roll once all the radioactive dust settles.
Cascading failure of multiple redundant backup systems is simply NOT acceptable.
Cascading failure of multiple redundant backup systems is simply NOT acceptable.
The extent of the quake and resulting Tsunami simply overwhelmed the definition of plausible weather in the region and safeguards that had been put in place to protect the plants. There is no one to blame for the weather.
With such a massive failure of system after system however, I would think that they would have roped in their military, the US military and more to a greater extent. (I say this because an official statement was just issued on the matter). Obviously we are looking at everything through a looking glass, so if heads roll one day, it will only be because of the reaction.
Update:
6pm local - Eastern Japan - 6.0 Earthquake/aftershock detected and reported by multiple sources, including those in Tokyo
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cross-posted from P&N, but I'm curious for a real answer...
after a week of constantly hearing people talk about how the media is sensationalizing all of this, when is the time to start worrying?
after a week of constantly hearing people talk about how the media is sensationalizing all of this, when is the time to start worrying?
I'd say now is a pretty good time. A lot of the early media coverage was sensationalized, but high enough radioactivity that the plant workers trying to fix the problem were evacuated is no joke. I wouldn't be surprised if at this point we're actually being shielded from the gravity of the situation to prevent a panic in Tokyo.
edit: BTW it is not time to worry HERE, it's time to worry if you are anywhere near Japan. The situation would have to get much, much worse for the US to be truly worried for ourselves.
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