Edgar Martinez Award

[psiu]

How do you know his defense was that bad? The DH also helps when someone gets injured/older and the likelihood of injury goes up, keeps the wear and tear of diving and running all over the place down. And if you have good hitters at the positions the player plays well, then why not just have them hit, and be a backup for that position?

 

[Argo]

Originally posted by: Manzelle
How about the Orlando Hernandez award for the oldest 34 year old to ever set foot on Earth?

Hahaha

 

[imported_Strang]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: Strang
Ack, my bad. It turns out that they're renaming the existing DH of the Year award after Edgar, not creating a new award.

And anyone who thinks Edgar doesn't belong in the HoF cares more about stats (or arguing about what baseball should be rather than recognizing what baseball is) than recognizing excellence on the field.

"Excellence on the field"??????????? Ummm, newsflash here, Edgar wasn't allowed on the field due to gross incompetence with a glove. He was a designated hitter, a player not good enough to get on the field, let alone display excellence once he was there. Women's softball allows for designated runners to compensate for non-athletes who can't even waddle their asses down the basepath. Should the best designated runner get an award?

:roll:

Last time I checked, the batter's box and bases were still on the field. And your argument is still an inability to see what baseball is. If your beef is with the position itself, don't take it out on Edgar -- he didn't change the rules.

As for Edgar's low amount of hits in 18 years, the Mariners didn't let him take over at 3rd base until they traded Jim Presley (who hit an awe-inspiring .236). He didn't become a starter until he was 27.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: Strang

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: Strang
Ack, my bad. It turns out that they're renaming the existing DH of the Year award after Edgar, not creating a new award.

And anyone who thinks Edgar doesn't belong in the HoF cares more about stats (or arguing about what baseball should be rather than recognizing what baseball is) than recognizing excellence on the field.

"Excellence on the field"??????????? Ummm, newsflash here, Edgar wasn't allowed on the field due to gross incompetence with a glove. He was a designated hitter, a player not good enough to get on the field, let alone display excellence once he was there. Women's softball allows for designated runners to compensate for non-athletes who can't even waddle their asses down the basepath. Should the best designated runner get an award?

:roll:

Last time I checked, the batter's box and bases were still on the field. And your argument is still an inability to see what baseball is. If your beef is with the position itself, don't take it out on Edgar -- he didn't change the rules.

As for Edgar's low amount of hits in 18 years, the Mariners didn't let him take over at 3rd base until they traded Jim Presley (who hit an awe-inspiring .236). He didn't become a starter until he was 27.

Then he clearly wasn't good enough to displace a .236 hitter until he was 27. Professional teams do not allow .236 hitters to remain in the lineup if there's somebody better on the bench. Even Barry Bonds and his steroid-trashed physique can lumber around in left field and he can barely even bend over to tie his own shoes. It's frightening to think that Edgar is a worse fielder than Jose Canseco, Dave Kingman, Manny Ramirez and the other BALLPLAYERS who managed to put on a glove and play the entire game. It's pathetic to think that there will be an award named for him. Prior to 1973 there was a term for guys who couldn't field their position: insurance salesman.

 

[imported_Strang]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Then he clearly wasn't good enough to displace a .236 hitter until he was 27. Professional teams do not allow .236 hitters to remain in the lineup if there's somebody better on the bench.

Because teams always do what's in their best interests. :roll: It's fairly common knowledge that the M's held Edgar back b/c they were enamored of Presley and at the time people were calling for them to turn it over to Martinez. It happens all the time -- it took an injury to get Tom Brady the starting job over Drew Bledsoe. As it is, the Mariners played Ichiro in RF instead of CF, despite Randy Winn (who spent the bulk of the year at CF) having a 3 year old's arm -- because they would rather have the best RF in the game than a good RF and a good CF.

The reason Edgar played DH wasn't due to defensive deficiencies (at least originally -- he's admitted that he probably wouldn't be able to make the throw to first now). He had injuries while playing 3rd and they didn't want to risk further problems.